Is it heaven?


Just saw this at the Minneapolis/St. Paul Film Fest. Despite the usual gaffes (blaring sound, grainy image) the film is stunning in many respects. Although I'm sure the film is an indictment of consumer-oriented society, I felt that the film needed something of a context. Was the city supposed to be heaven? And if the main character was so desperate to get out, why didn't they let him escape through the "birth canal" in the stone??? Anyhow, it beat the crap out of "Disturbia"!

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If you have seen the Twilight Zone episode called "A nice place to visit", where a guy who thinks he's in heaven because he gets whatever he wants, but when he gets bored with it we learn that he is'nt in heaven, but in the other place (hell). Maybe that's the thing with this movie too? What do you think?

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My take on it is that he goes to the closest thing to heaven there is, and that the reason they can't let him escape through the tunnel into that room is that the room is in our world -- which would spill the beans on the whole thing. The bus in the end takes him to hell, which is why it has to pull away the moment he gets out (so that he can't get back).

I've no real support for any of this, but one interesting tidbit is the swinging sign at the gas station in the beginning of the film. If you listen to it with this theory in mind, it sounds not unlike a heartbeat getting slower and slower and finally stopping -- after which the bus appears on the horizon.

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At least it's what we think we aspire to. Nice, safe and antiseptic. Anyone who wants more must be crazy, and is best ignored. We're interchangeable because we treat everyone the same - politely, at arm's length - and we all want and offer the same things. It's like an artificial womb. Note the shape of the hole they find in the wall.

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I think he is in hell. If this is the heaven people are longing for, I would escape either.

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I've seen this movie three times now, and everytime i've come to a different conclusion.

so..
This is heaven, eberything is there for you whenever you want it. No repercursions, just don't eat that damn apple.

or..

It is hell, nothing has any meaning whatsoever. you can't get away from it.

or..

it is supposed to resemble a very comercialized world, where you don't really have the option to long after a new experience. Everything is made to please most people, but doesn't really make you feel like you achieved anything/experienced anything.

Or it could just be a reflection on the fact that everybody wish they could get everything without working for it, and this is what it would seem like if that was true.

Good movie.

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Could it be some sort of purgatory?

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Wow! 11:11:11

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creepy :)

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NO, it is purgatory. OUTSIDER-2 is right!

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ok, let's say it is heaven, why no kids? no babies... when he is getting near the light he can hear children playing, he also mentions kids to his boss/coworker, thats when his boss realizes something (i don't know what), this also could mean that everybody is in on it (truman show sorta thing) and it is his personal heaven.

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I think the place where he is first put in is hell (because in the beginning he commits suicide, and sucidals go to hell) - and he is put there because he wanted to die.

And then when he takes the cake he shows that actually he wants to live, so he is given another chance and thrown into some sort of "purgatory" where he can choose what he wants to do (because the whole scenery is white I assume that's a new beggining).

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There's no evidence that he committed suicide. The scene in the beginning with the subway happens after he entered the city - remember, he does it after the new girl tells him that she's seeing other people. The kissing couple is the exact same.

Edit: In response to Mullinski's post. It would be nice if the Imdb boards posted this right after their post and not at the very end of the thread.

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I'wouldn't agree it's against consumer-oriented society only. For me it was about loneliness of a little boy in a big city, either it's for loneliness of a well-established society... Well, I'm not sure actually. I think it's an amalgamation of something deep and vital for a human. Pardon my philosophical opus.
One of the best pictures I saw in 2007.

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Norway is generally speaking a secular, atheist country, so religious metaphors and symbols are likely to be considered less important there than in the States, for example.

Besides, the "food doesn't taste anything" part is interesting. Food really tastes more on the countryside, doesn't it?

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definatly not heaven. ask yourself what heaven is in the rawest sense and this place is far from it. I thought it was purgatory for a while, and he tried to dig to heaven, but i dont get that so much, i really wanted him to get there. also the ending he is thrown into a cold atmosphere, i think the last circle of hell is freezing. so i think he went from purgatory to hell.

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My first theory is that he's in limbo, the courtyard of hell. The place for atheists and followers of (according to orthodox christianity) "wrong" faiths who haven't done anything wrong. If you have read Dante, it all adds up.
There are no children or animals there - these are generally viewed as innocent beings.
There is no joy in anything; there's no taste, smell or intoxication - in limbo you aren't punished, but there's no real joy either.

I also believe that our poor protagonist is the only inhabitant who doesn't realise that he's dead, and that is the tragedy which leads to him being sent to hell in the end. The other ones know that it doesn't get any better than this, so they're basically just trying to get by as best they can in the most boring afterlife there is.

No rule without exceptions, of course. The guy in the basement listening to music through a hole in the wall has found a gateway to heaven. He wisely wishes to keep it to himself, not risking to attract the attention of the powers that be. You can also see that he's had experience with them before; he knows what to say to stay out of trouble.

When Andreas starts to stir things up, the inhabitants are reminded of all the things that have been denied to them, something they don't like to think about. The result of the attempted breakout is that Andreas is viewed as somewhat of a troublemaker, opposing his maker's will (the poor guy doesn't know that he's dead). Simultaneously he's ruining the false bliss that keeps limbo functioning, and they can't have one or two people ruining it for everybody else, hence: the bothersome man.

My second theory: they're all ghosts trying to create a society which resembles the real world. Andreas almost manages to break through into the real world via the hole in the wall. If there had been anyone present in the kitchen, his actions would probably make the family who lived there believe in poltergeists. The men in gray overalls are probably the "ghost police" who decide to put Andreas in a place where he can't do any harm.

Either way: clever, clever movie :)

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@Durden30:
nice therories, especially the first one. there is more evidence to support your theorie, like when andreas mentioned his dream to his first "wife": he tells her about a big elk walking down a road, and she suddenly changes the subject. same with his boss, when andreas tells him that he miss children and taste, he leaves the room. the other "ghosts" don´t want to be reminded of their miserable existence whithout emotions, kids, animals and taste.

but one thing is strange, if they could reach "heaven" (sunny kitchen, andreas can take a piece of the cake, and taste it), why arent´t they trying to get there... as andreas and hugo are digging the hole in the wall, several neighbours also smell the cake (or some odeurs from the other world) and are interested in finding the source of it. so they also missed that.
maybe it´s just that the people in charge of the city want to keep their status quo...

anyways, one more time i didnt´t regret that i´ve watched a skandinavian movie. :)

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"In limbo you aren't being punished,but there's no real joy either"
Seems like not being able/allowed to feel joy is a pretty harsh punishment! :)

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I believe it is a critique of modernity. Modernism began in the 17th century (arguably) and is here in the 21st c. fulfilled in its nihilistic culmination. The nature of its realized dream it depicts with pure and ghastly forms. The bothersome man is the one for whom modernity does not fit. He is disposed of. Modernity is concerned only with the rule or axiom of the majority. Minority is disposed of. There are the qualities of the state which people have unconsciously moved toward in this nightmare of sociology:

- Destruction of the familial estate.
- Annulment of the meaning and value of death & pain
-- thereby of the meaning and value of being.
- Obliteration of struggle, contest, striving, aspiration.
- Equalization of emotion, taste and senses
-- in favor of detached, neutral "pleasurability".
- Alocality, universality, nondifferentiation, anonymity.
- Materialism, obsession with design, lack of religion or spirituality.

There is no religious allegory in this film. It is excluded by the nature of its depiction. Modernism is fulfilled only in the reduction to nothing. That is not to say that it cannot be seen in a cosmologic scheme. It is simply not presented here. That is like modernity. It claims to present an entire picture, but upon looking at the picture, one sees that oneself is excluded; life & chance are excluded. It pretends that there is no other choice; all other things are blizzard, white oblivion.



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