Different interpretation


Ok, I loved this movie. But I interpreted it differently than the reviewers who say that the movie is a commentary on the superficiality of modern life. This may be one aspect of it, but I think it is fundamentally about a man who is never satisfied with life. That is his "sin," and the city is a sort of Purgatory. His punishment for not being satisfied with life (hence his suicide at the beginning of the film) is to live in a place where nothing is satisfying- the food has no taste, the sex is boring, people's conversations are utterly banal. So he attempts to escape- the room with the cake is our life now, or "heaven," but of course he cannot reach it- and the only place where he can go is somewhere even worse. This is the icy world we see at the end of the film.

What do you think of this?

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amosdudley, you hit the nail on the head to what exactly i had thought about this film. i think it was purgatory or hell.

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yep this film was hell

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the only thing is hes in this world before he tries to commit suicide, since the beginnings an obvious sort of a "shocker" intro, seeing as it happens again later.

its a tough one to tell tho nobodys right and nobodys wrong




" cocaine is god's way of saying "you're too rich"

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I took it that he is in purgatory. The 'cake' world is heaven and the end snow storm is hell. However, I think that it is a commentary on modern life, since purgatory is just a hollow shell of life but most of the people there accept it and are perfectly happy with it. Not so bad, mustn't grumble.

I think the suicide at the beginning is the real suicide that sends him to purgatory and it is repeated. He succeeds in getting out of the first life via the suicide, and by repeating it, along with the brutal continued battering he gets without death, is to show him its no use.

Great film

M

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I've heard a few people suggest that the suicide at the beginning was real. I didn't see it that way, personally. The biggest hint, for me, was the zombie-eyed kissing couple on the platform with him. They made sense in the "gray city", but it's not something you'd see in the real world.

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I like that way to see it.

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obviously the beginning tricks you into thinking he has commited suicide in our real world then arrives in purgatory with a beard (not sure why?)... seeing the same scene again later we realise that we don't know his first suicide as the one showed at the beginning is not in chronological order. i really want to know how he first committed suicide! very clever film...


"No time for the old in-out love, I've just come to read the meter." - A Clockwork Orange

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@ Amosdudley ---I agree with this. I do not agree with any other interpretation of this film.

All I would add is that it seems that he is trying so very hard to obtain satisfaction in this afterlife the same way he was in his previous life. That is until he finds something real to dig for and want.

I also believe that there might have been something being said about the reasons why the man "sinned" in the beginning. Maybe the life before the life that he chose to end was even richer in "real quality" sources of happiness. Always reaching back, but continuing to move forward to worse forms of life.

So in other words freaking figure out what you want in this life because in the next and the next and the next it is going to be harder and harder to find. Maybe even impossible or not allowed. What great fiction! This film is saying Heaven was in a past life. There will be no heaven in the future. For religious people, this may be offensive.

What do you think?

Do I have proof of these imaginations? No. Do I like them? Yes.

I do not see this film as religious in the least. I see it more as deliberately outside religion and even creating either a new religion or a godless religion. I respect the film for this.

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I agree with Mrs George Harrison in that we suddenly are not sure that Andreas committed suicide in the real world, whatever that means, as it could merely be a memory of him jumping onto the railway tracks when the weird, empty robot kissing between the second couple, really could have been a memory of the first couple. Waterwizard2005, you have a very valid point, because although purgatory is I suppose a valid explanation, I don't agree with it. Firstly, it's title suggests "Man" as a actual living, breathing entitity. I saw two different themes a) Societies exist and remain cohesive with a minimal level of discontent and a quashing of social unrest. They function best when the masses are sidetracked, satisfied, distracted from questioning the order of things; why in essence do something not make sense or are not seen unfair, or unsatisfying. Andreas was looking for something that this society could not provide or satisfy. The music, the smell, the food (cake), sunshine and children laughing, was definitly not part of the landscape he found himself in. And, he wondered why. In many ways, he is a prime example of a clincally depressed invididual (everything has no meaning, nothing tastes like anything, he sees death and suicide everywhere, he tries to hurt himself, to see if he can still feel anything). However, he is disrupting the order of this town (or clinic for the maladjusted, when you consider the obsessive compulsion of his first girlfriend, the qualities of his second "love" were also psychologically suspect)and he had to leave, as he had become bothersome in wanting something that could never be provided in this environment. Like many of the members we discard, or find bothersome in society, when they become unhappy and disruptive, or questioning, they get the boot, whether it be into a prison, into poverty, addiction, or mental health facilities... Andreas was cast out, like, to bring in another thought segueing into your original sin hypothesis, Lucifer.

The fact that there was an order to it all, and monitoring, could also link back to Lucifer questioning the order, the heirarchy of the entity that is ultimatly in charge, and Andreas at first a reluctant, then somewhat apt pupil, became another, rare disappointment for the group. And, I found it interesting his partner in crime was let go so easily. Was it because Andreas was the one who tried to tunnel out and was successful for one moment? Also, did the fellow he first saw who had jumped out of the window and ended up on the spikes of the metal fence, reheal? Since Andreas cut off his finger and was run over multiple times, but continued to heal/regenerate, mean it was real? Or, was it imagined?

I find now more puzzles as I write this. A very disquieting film, and it raises endless possibilties.

Thanks for generating another idea for me to consider.

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I totally disagree. Perhaps if it had been a US movie, there could be some merit to such an interpretation, but as religious symbolism has no part in Norwegian popular culture, it seems pretty far fetched to focus around such vague symbols.

Personally, I see it more as a kafkaesque story, but, perhaps more than anything else, related to one of the most famous poems in Norway - Sigbjørn Obstfelder's "Jeg ser" ("I see") which describes exactly the anxiety, loneliness and alienation that *is* the Oslo in which Andreas ends up. The poem ends with the famous line "Jeg har visst havnet på feil klode" ("I seem to have ended up on the wrong globe"), which describes it perfectly.

The story was, btw, originally a play for radio, making such religious connections even more far fetched.

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I personally see it as something parallel to some of Stanislaw Lem's work: My interpretation is that you can be in a literally painless world - there's no pain, no death, no suffering and, very important: no past. How wonderful is that! But then, no pain and suffering also excludes real joy and real passion. Everything just IS. This might be kinda fun for some time, but it lacks everything that makes humans human.

I believe that the guy at some point would like to hit himself in the face just to FEEL SOMETHING REAL, so he jumps in front of the train, again and again. In the end, he'll survive it anyway but at least for some moments he felt something real. I think than if he had brought the whole cake to the other side for some more people to eat it, it would also have brought "bad things", like memories of a good cake, children laughing, people also wanting a piece of that cake but not getting it, feeling left out or stuff, maybe they'd have started to miss those past things which would have been uncomfortable and sadening for them. So they prefer to leave all those things out and get rid of the guy who'd prefer a life with real feelings.

The heaven/hell thing surely comes to the minds of religious people. I'm not one of them so I see it differently. Which is a winning point that speaks for the movie: it can be interpreted in several valid ways. I love that and don't exactly disagree with your interpretation.

The lem-parallel is because he wrote books about astronauts who were away for 200 years whilst the astronaut only aged for 10 years or something. So he finds a totally new civilazation on earth that uses drugs and stuff to get rid of feelings of anger, frustration and hate. But those feelings sometimes are the force behind the passionate things like art and much needed changes etc. that deal with those bad feelings.


"D-E-S-T-R-O-Y : E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G"

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Do not bring religion into this. You guys are looking very close. See the context from a birds eye view. and you will see what its saying.

We are becoming this. I'm 26 from a 3rd world country and i can tell you this.
Do not take the whole movie literally.

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My view is close to yours. I think the city is not a punishing purgatory, but simply an afterlife in which almost everyone has been purged of ego, all living in the moment without dreams of other or better existences. Our hero longs for things of the past, such as the taste of hot cocoa and music, and for things in his dreams -- his inability to stay positive about the eternal NOW makes him do things that are unacceptable in the city. Being put in the bottom of the bus for the final trip suggests he will have a hellish life in the future, whereas he could have accepted the simple pleasures of just being alive in the city. The life in the city as portrayed in the movie does not suggest as much joy in the simple pleasure of being alive as I would have preferred, but I think I could accept this afterlife without nearly as much negativity as that which consumed the film hero.

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I think is a metaphor of our new world, the actual world, that in some countries (mostly the big ones) feel the same that this people, they cheat themself with lies that they are happy,that they feel god, that doesnt really matters, but they dont have feelings at all...
The one who tried to change that is remove from the society that they think works great..

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