Though beautifully made, you can’t really take this seriously as it comments the case from one side only. Portraying the Israelis as bloody war mongers at all time, without even mentioning that the Arabs repeatedly attacked, and actually started the fighting in 1948, spreading lies and terror.
Sure, great if you agree with the makers, but stay away if you care for the truth.
This movie is the truth. They did say they are going to expose the "other side". You have enough bias and *beep* on American TV.
In 1948, the newly formed U.N. that was completely controlled by the U.S. and USSR, declared a Jewish state over lands that were occupied by 750 thousand Palestinians, who were expelled, villages raped, and people massacred. There was no negotiations with any Islamic or Arabic countries. There was great sympathy for the Jews after the Holocaust and Zionism seek to use that.
That is the equivalent of some war in between Islamic countries, and then in the aftermath, they create a new Organization they call the U.C. (United countries) and create a country for Native Americans in the United States. You would be an idiot if you think the United States won't see this as an Act of War.
In 1967, Israel carried out and started the war by claiming it started it "pre-emptively".
Every American and Westerner in General must see this movie.
Your response doesn't make sense. How can this movie be the truth if they're only showing one side? The fact that they are only showing one side automatically makes it biased, and the truth can not be biased. Once the truth loses complete objectivity, it becomes an opinion or someone's point of view.
Palestinians being "expelled, villages raped, people massacred" sounds good but can you cite specific events and give us some statistics, please. Were these massacres similar to the ones that Jewish people in Palestine were victims of around the time of the first World War? (see my other post for more details)
No negotiations? Are you kidding me? Palestinian leaders rejected two-state proposals in 1917, 1937, and 1948, and they continue to reject the two-state solution to this day. Come on, are you serious? Anyone who knows even the least bit about the history of Palestine knows that their leaders are famous for not only rejecting the idea for a two-state solution, but also wanting to rid the area of all its Jewry. The Palestinian leaders have never wanted to negotiate.
The analogy that I think you're trying to make seems a bit incoherent so I can't exactly comment on that. You mention Native Americans, but I hope you're not trying to compare making a homeland for Native Americans in the U.S. to a homeland for Jewish people in Palestine. The two situations are completely different.
Yes, Israel fired the first shots in the Six-Day War. This happened after the illegal Egyptian decision to close the Straits of Tiran by using military force, which the international community viewed as an act of war. If I may even quote the Egyptian President, at the time, Gamal Abdel Nasser: "We knew the closing of the Gulf of Aqaba meant war with Israel."
I do agree with your last sentence, though. People should see this movie. People should also see a pro-Israeli movie. People should also read pro-Arab books, and pro-Israeli books. People should not watch one movie and think that it is the complete truth on the situation. It's impossible. Once people put faith in one, obviously biased source, they come up with misinformed arguments like yours.
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(Palestinians being "expelled, villages raped, people massacred" sounds good but can you cite specific events and give us some statistics, please. Were these massacres similar to the ones that Jewish people in Palestine were victims of around the time of the first World War?)
Read this book "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" which is written by an Israeli scholar(Ilan Pape)
there you will find those specific events and the stats you are looking for
here you go, a list of massacres just in 1948, where it took place, what date,who was responsible and how many that died:
Acre May 18, 1948 Haganah 100 Arabs killed
Al-Tantura May 22-23, 1948 33rd Battalion Alexandroni Brigade of IDF 70 - 200 Arabs killed
Lydda-Ramleh 11–12 July 1948 IDF 250 - 335 Arabs killed
Suqrir 29 August 1948 Givati Brigade of the IDF 10 Arabs killed
al-Dawayima October 29, 1948 IDF Between 22 to 80 - 100 Arabs killed
Safsaf October 29, 1948 IDF 50 - 70 Arabs killed
Saliha October 30, 1948 IDF 70 - 80 Arabs killed
Eilabun October 30, 1948 Golani Brigade of the IDF 13 Arabs killed
Majd al-Krum October 30, 1948 IDF 12 Arabs killed[
Hula October 1948 Carmeli Brigade of the IDF 35 - 58 Arabs killed
Arab al-Mawasi November 2, 1948 IDF 14 Arabs killed
IDF is Israeli Defence Force
You don't know what objectivity means. Objectivity means you stick to the facts. You use pure logic and real situations. For example, if a movie about evolution doesn't include a creationist point of view, does that make it untrue? No, of course not. It's biased, but it's still objective and true. You don't have to give two sides of the story if one side of the story is nothing but *beep* and propaganda. Prove that your side is not *beep* and propaganda, and then we can talk about if the film is accurate or not.
Secondly, of course they rejected the two state solution. There were more Palestinians in the area and they occupied the area the zionists wanted. Why would they be ok with being displaced? Why would they be ok with their good land being taken, and being forced in to smaller amounts of land with less resources, despite their larger numbers? Of course they're not ok with it. Just because someone brings up some kind of "solution" doesn't mean it's adequate, nor can you hold it against them if they refuse it.
You seem to think that the truth must have sides... this is not the case. The truth has one point of view; just one.
I too have watched this documentary & I DO take it VERY seriously. It just goes to show that the Israeli propaganda, lobby groups & media have done their job of brainwashing you. I cannot believe you can still believe that the Arabs are the attackers - I don't know what else to say to you - I feel sorry for you, you obviously have no compassion for the plight of the Palestinians. Maybe I should come to your home, overtake it as my own, kick you out, shoot at your family for no reason, other than I think I should own it because my religion says that your home is my land. Would that be okay with you??? Sounds to me that you would not have a problem with that, because that is what the Zionist Israelis did to the Palestinians.
THIS MOVIE IS THE TRUTH -PLEASE WATCH IT
You've watched this documentary, but have you read any books on the subject? Judging from the analogy you present, it seems as if you know absolutely nothing about the situation. This is an extremely complex issue; it's not just attacker vs. victim, right vs. wrong, etc. But how can you sit there and say that Arabs have not been attackers? That statement is so ridiculous that I don't even know how to response. I guess you're not familiar with the Arab nationalist group Al-Nadi Al-Arabi (established in 1919 as a response to the Balfour Declaration of 1917), which carried out terrorist attacks against Jewish civilians in Jaffa, Rehovot, Hadera in which women were raped, children were killed, and synagogues destroyed. Maybe you're not familiar with Haj amin al-Husseini, former Grand Mufti of Jerasulem and Nazi war criminal. You know, the guy that Yasser Arafat called "our hero" in a 2002 interview. Well, in case you don't know who this is, al-Husseini was responsible for many of the anti-Jewish pogroms in the area since the 1920s. During the early 1940s, he was quoted as saying on a Berlin radio program, "Kill the Jews wherever you find them." Al-Husseini also spent time with Hitler during the war and, in his memoirs, expressed aspirations to return and start death camps of his own in order to rid the Arab world of all Jews. This was during the Holocaust when, needless to say, Jews were extremely vulnerable and some tried to flee to Palenstine to escape death. All of this before the state of Israel was officially established. Arabs have been on the attack well before 1948.
Back to your analogy. I've heard this unoriginal and trite analogy hundreds of times and I always get a good laugh out of it. Your analogy holds no weight. Let's review:
"Maybe I should come to your home..."
Well, that would be wrong since you weren't living at that person's home and have never lived in that persons home.
How does this apply to the Israel-Palestinian conflict. Were Jews not already living in Palestine? Were there not already over a half of a million Jews (and about 375,000 Arabs) already living in the land of Palestine that was partitioned by the U.N. in 1947?
"...overtake it as my own..."
The Jewish people did not overtake the land from the Arabs. You must be aware that, after the war, that land belonged to Britain, which gave it to the U.N. to decide what to do with it. The Israelis didn't TAKE anything, it was given to them.
"...kick you out..."
Israel has supported the two-state solution since the beginning. It's Palestine who rejected two-state proposals in 1917, 1937, 1948, and 2000. It's Israel, who after winning the six-day war, gave land back to the Palestinians. It's the Palestinians who won't accept anything but a one-state solution. It's the many Palestinian leaders who, throughout histroy, have expressed intentions to rid the entire region, and in some extreme case, the world of all Jews. If Palestine actually had the power to do so, you can bet that not only would all Jews be kicked out but a great deal would be killed. This may seem like something that is extremely hypothetical and shouldn't even be mentioned, but I'm basing this on what many Arab leaders and terrorist groups have been publicly stating throughout the 20th century. Don't forget that many Palestinian leaders supported Hitler's final solution.
"...shoot at your family for no reason..."
No reason? Don't be so illogical. Are you not aware of the many Arab terrorist groups, some that have even been government funded, and the many suicide bombers who kill innocent Israelis? Yes, innocent people are being killed on both sides. Let's try to acknowledge that.
"...other than I think I should own it because my religion says that your home is my land."
If you think that is the only reason, or main reason, or even significant reason why the state of Israel was created, you are delusional. After the many attempts throughout history to exterminate the Jews, most famously the Holocaust, the U.N. felt that this small group of people needed somewhere to call home, somewhere where they could find refuge in case a similar threat presented itself.
Your analogy really shows that you are foolishly trying to simplify the situation. You're trying to turn it into right vs. wrong when it was and will never be that simple. Please, seek out more sources, you obviously don't know enough. I've read many books, seen many documentaries, etc. And you know what, I'm far from the authority on the situation and there are many things that I don't know.
You can't just watch one movie or read one book and think that you understand everything about it. Not one book is the truth. Not one movie is the truth. But apparently, you think this movie is the truth. Do you really think that this almost century-long conflict can be properly summed up in one documentary 85 minute documentary?! Especially, a documentary that is clearly, and purposely, only showing one side of the story. I'm not saying not to watch this, I encourage you to watch this documentary as well as the many other documentaries made on the subject, as well as the many books (both pro-Arab and pro-Israel) written on the subject, as well as watch many news reports on the subject from both pro-Arab and pro-Israel sources. After you take all of this, you then can begin to seek out the truth. Trust me, you won't get it in this documentary.
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my grandma's brother was killed in the massacre of dar najja.. now i try to keep as much of an open mind as possible, but the facts in the movie are correct. now, someone was bashing the girl before me for using the analogy of coming to a home and kicking the owner home for his house is absolutely wrong... the correct analogy would be her coming with a swat team and but slowly kicking you out and humiliating you on the way out of your own home while you cannot resist, but if she would to attack alone that would mean you have an equal chance to resist.
now i would like you to think about the next few things i am gonna say and i would love to hear what your thoughts are.
what did the Arab Palestinians do to be overtaken soo violently by immigrating jews, i mean i understand they( the europian Jews) were oppressed were they were, but sending to oppress a different group of people to balance things out?
israel really has no huge industry other than some weapons manufacturing no real export and import.. how do you justify the huge economical boosts from the us i mean they obviously exist, but why does the support still rain under the very laws that the so many nations agreed on as human rights, Israel does have a green light to do whatever it wants to the Palestinians, thank you uncle sam.
and for last i mean yea the arabs are attacking, but they didnt attack first they are attacking in defence of the land they own( well in retrospect ), hell they're fighting back with slow suicide bombs and firework rockets just because they cannot really sit through being disrespected like that.
im not saying i hate jews please dont put words in my mouth i hate the political and military tactics israel uses to overtake, occupy, and oppress the palestenians.
Wow, without words. You are a great example of conformity towards evil. I hope you never reproduce.
sharethe point of the documentary was to give the facts about occupation and it did gives the FACTS. As for not mentiioning the attacks by Araba you must have missed that part of the documentary because I saw it last night and it is addressed. It des not portray Israelis as bloddy war mongers, it gives the facts about Israeli GOVT policy and Israeli MILITARY tactics. I think if you care for the truth then you have to watch this documentary. It is also vital to remember that those interviewed are Israelis, Israeli/Americans, academics and former US government officials. It is also highlycritical of the PLO and the Palestinain Authority.
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So what you are saying is that since Istanbul was christian way back in roman times I have the right to go and take whatever house I want here and settle down??? You must be totally screwed in the head.
I guess thats bad luck for all americans, coz now all native americans have the right to YOUR house. And dont thing were gonna welcome you back to europe *beep*
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Wow, this is the most pathetic attempt at saving face ever...
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You are an absolute fool. Sorry buddy...if you go back a thousand years...land all over the world has changed hands between numerous groups. Just about every divided land that is considered a country currently...has once been under the control of another people. We can only focus on the present - a situation of occupation and terror by the Israel military and government in the Palestinian occupied territories. Palestinians never stole any land from European Ashkenazi Jews...as these people immigrated to Palestine, not the other way around. I can technically say that I'm of Scottish ancestry...but does that give me the right to owning property or automatic citizenship...even though I, nor my parents, nor my grandparents have ever lived in Scotland? The land of Palestine belongs to the people that have lived there for centuries...before certain countries even existed in Europe.
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it doesn't give facts, in fact it misleads.
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=118&x_article=1415
that review has a good break down of this intellectually fraudulent film.
goebbels would be proud.
as for human progression. theres massive levels of hypocrisy and antisemitism in the area. until they get beyond that there is no peace. when folks who claim to be concerned about humanitarian issues of palestinians at every turn show their real moral stance on attacking civilians whether it be hezbollah immediately firing hundreds of rockets at civilians, or the palestinians doing the same, we see the real hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy in their positions. their humanitarian concern is about as false as it gets, it gets down to antisemitism at its core, and until that is addressed, nothing is going to move forward. you cannot have honest discussion or negotiation through that distorted lens.
Agreed this is fictional and a mockumentary.
It is as biased on one side as the Obessesion DVD is biased towards Muslims.
I'd prefer to get my information unfiltered.
Why dont you point out what they say in the docu that is a lie instead of calling it a mockumentary?
step up to the plate son and lets hear it.
People are often hung up on the notion of "bias". The issue here is not whether this documentary is biased; obviously it is. Everything has a bias; a newspaper article, a book, a film, anything. Bias simply means perspective, or a point of view. So yes, of course this shows the story from a particular point of view, and one that is hardly ever seen, at least in the US. We get plenty of the other point of view. The proper question which should be asked is, is this honest? For that one should disregard everything one reads on an internet chat forum, and look up the facts for themselves. If anything can be verified, then verify it, for yourself.
shareTo the victor go the spoils as they are the ones to write the history. The Israelis, with the aide of the Americans, has been abler to assert a right without basis on lands in Palestine. They used the atrocity sentiment to swindle the world into illegal seizure. If this were to happen today, the Jewish State would be compared to the ethnic cleansing perpetuated by Milosevic and Chauchesku.
These are the facts. The Israelis, with the funding from their friends have been able to win the propaganda battle so far. This is beginning to change.
I agree that the main purpose of this doc is to present facts that rarely presented in the US media. Either you want to believe it or not is in your own hands.
shareThis documentaries purpose is not to present facts. In that case so is Obsession.
It is the same smear campaign/propaganda that people here and on the internet all utilize to some effect.
GO THERE, see for yourself. You'll find that edutainment mockumentaries are not really teaching you anything.
I like Roger Moore films but that doesn't mean I think "OH, THAT IS HOW THINGS ARE THERE IN MICHIGAN. NOW I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT MICHIGAN BECAUSE I GOT ONE SIDE OF THINGS."
No.. that is not advisable or smart.
Lots of people refused to believe the stories that filtered out of Germany in the late thirties and throughout the war. Leading papers in both Britain and the US,all run by jewish bosses, decided it be reported somewhere in the middle pages with minimal time and ink.
This documentary only needs to tell you one side, you know the other side already via fox news etc, but to deny the palestinian side a voice?, well then where were you during that history lesson?