Socialist?


Will this film have socialist and working class undertones?

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Knowing some Ken Loach's previous work, it probably will have some socialist ideas floating around somewhere. But, though an ardent capitalist myself, I love the way he tells a story.

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Loach is still a talented film maker but his politics are *beep* up.At the heart of this film is a lie: the vast majority of contractors/gang masters who exploit East European workers are either Asian or East European's themselves. There are no working class English women doing this.

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I don't see how you can qualify a comment like this. You cannot possibly know what is happening in the length and breadth of England. I wouldn't completely dismiss the prospect of this happening somewhere.

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Bwlboy,
you're right I can't possibly know what is going on in every part of this country but every negative report on the news or in the newspapers I have come across features either Asian or East-European gang masters. Real job agencies tend to stick to the employment laws.

I think Loach chose a working-class English woman for political reasons.He never really explored this situation. The exploitation of foreign workers and the crimnalising of parts of the UK economy is a huge issue but it is predicated on a shattered Labour Movement and a free market, the right-wing agenda, and anti-racism, his own left-wing agenda.


The lead actress is terrific. Loach is is still good at finding talent.

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Agreed on the lead actress. She delivers an outstanding performance. It doesn't surprise me she has gone on to feature in This is England.

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This is England was released before "It's a free world" and I can't find her in the list of actors for that film?

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negepipprds,

while your correct in that these gang bosses reported in the media or often Asian/East European, its worth remembering that that these people are only in they position they are in because they have been allowed to be - by (typically) white british/western european rich and powerful individuals who need these middle men to exploit the others for their own ends - profiteering. Its the typical media stereotype - "blame the other" - the foriegn bogeyman character.

a bit unclear about your anti-racism point; surely its the opposite, that it is predicated on racism, prejudice, innequality.

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Craigbeaton

Where on earth do you get the idea that its all the fault of rich whitey?
Your charge is ludicrous in the extreme.
What ends does 'rich whitey' have considering they are nowhere in the equation?

Take off your ideological blinkers, see the world as it is; a bunch of non-indiginous crooks exploiting their own people for profit via a immigration system in melt down.

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"He never really explored this situation."
So, along with clearly not spending a whole lot of time reading the news and bothering understanding the real world, you like to pretend that Loach does the same.
You right winger extremists have no idea how obvious your projection and dishonesty is, do you?

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There are no working class English women doing this.

And how do you know that?




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No doubt it will, but as a borderline anarcho-capitalist, I have have to say Ken Loach makes a great movie. It's easy to laugh off all of the silly communist nonsense; what was it Nozick said? "Marxism repeats itself, the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce."

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What an idiotic thread. Judge the film on its merits not on your ideological prejudices.

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I agree with you Douglas, first sensible thing said.
Oh and the main actress is fantastic in her role.

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Even if true, I like a good farce. Better than how capitalism repeats itself, only as tragedy: crisis after crisis after crisis...

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I hope this movie isn't offensive to any "Atlases" out there. Seriously, what would we ever do if you shrugged? OH WAIT, you have been shrugging all along :P

Unlike that utter crap by Ayn Rand, this movie is actually good :)


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duh.

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I would say that this film is more liberal than socialist.

Loach used to work with the scriptwright called Jim Allen, who was very much a Marxist and his films would romanticise the working class to make it seem as if they were all revolutionaries.

All Loach's recent films have been with a Paul Laverty. He is more of a mainstream Guardian-reading liberal than a proper Marxist.

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