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Animal Cruelty in Episode Six


We just couldn't sit through Episode 6. First it was mice being tortured by animal researchers who were trying to eliminate their memories -- yeah, really great, practical, life-or-death research -- certainly worth causing misery to a poor critter, right? Then it was that sad pig farm, imprisoned in tiny cages, and Ira's glib line about how "We all love to eat bacon."

The insertion of the anal probe -- that's when we changed the channel. For good.

Ira Glass's whiny voice and oversized glasses and ill-fitting suit and big desk and all his other "quirky" idiosyncracies just aren't so cute anymore when the subject matter is so awful and disgusting. Maybe if nothing else it turned some people away from eating meat.

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Well, if you'd stuck around you'd have learned that the sound man who worked on the shoot got ill during the shoot, and in fact, turned away from eating meat. And the segment also dealt with how the experience of seeing all that changed the rest of the crew. Notice how they were careful to set up the crew of the shoot as characters... a very unusual step with a distinct purpose.

I would suggest to you to broaden your perspective about what the episode was trying to accomplish. You're going about 80 down the wrong way of a one way street if you thought this segment was supposed to be cute. What a silly thought that is. I mean, it didn't occur to you at all that the episode was possibly meant to be challenging and disturbing, even for a second? All I can say is wow.

You seem to be under the impression that all these activities were created for the benefit of the show... or at least that's what your ill-thought post conveys. This kind of thing goes on, and not a lot of people know about it. You have a problem with how these animals were treated, then you should applaud the show for bringing it to the attention of people who wouldn't otherwise know about it, and possibly changing their perspectives on it.

It is disturbing material, no doubt, and it is understandable if you could not finish watching it. But to then suggest that the show is engaging in animal cruelty by documenting it is utterly obtuse... maybe should stick to programming that has no chance to challenge or engage critical thought.

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Well, I do thank you for the update. I wonder -- was there a warning at the start about disturbing images (I missed the first few seconds)? I'm glad some of the crew were made sick by it. Guess Ira had been getting on my nerves the last few episodes and this one pushed me over the edge. Oh, I can deal with harsh truths -- I've read stuff from PETA, etc., know all about factory farming. I just thought the whole episode was pretty gross, wasn't worth committing to. Also, the mouse experiments were pretty sick and (in my opinion) pointless. Erasing bad memories? Right -- very practical. Anyhow, thanks for the response.

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There was no warning about the disturbing images, but then again this is Showtime. The second story in this episode featured a hot dog stand in Chicago where all the workers are black and the patrons are white, and where part of the hook of the place is that the workers and patrons fling insults at each other. Inevitably, some of the insults were racially charged. I suppose they could have warned the viewers about that, but I think they are assuming since viewers would know the content may cross boundries that would be set on a non-premium cable channel, warnings are not necessary.

Anyway, I think it's worth considering how someone who is not familiar with factory farming would react to the episode. It very well could have had a profound affect and caused them to think about the subject in a way they never would have had they not seen it. Is that not a good thing?

The mouse experiments did isolate the part of the brain associated with memories. Personally, I think that is pretty interesting. They obviously weren't going to use it to erase bad memories, but I thought it was interesting how they didn't expect and were moved by the reactions they got.

Sorry if my response was harsh, it's just my personal opinion that a show like "This American Life" should deal honestly with the subject matter they are exploring and that no subject matter should be off limits, depending on how it's handled. If it is disturbing, so be it, so long as it offers some kind of insight into... well... American life. I believe this episode did just that.

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I think anyone who thinks peta is credible needs their head examined. Their involvment with the ALF (Animal liberation front, ie terrorist group) is enough to make me sick. Go watch the Penn and Teller BS episode on youtube about peta. You will be surprised, if not and you still support them, then you really have problems.

I'm bleeding, making me the victor.

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Wait... so you watched the rest of the episode but ultimately weren't more disgusted by the treatments of humans at the hot dog stand? Weird... I thought the most disturbing thing about the episode was the video of the crowd cheering for the chocolate shake, not the mice getting shocked, Ira's mannerisms, nor the pig anal probe.

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The episode was really an expose of the pork industry, and the shift from family farms to factories. It presented the factory farm as sad for both the humans and pigs involved--not at all cute, more disturbing and nightmarish.

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His suit is not ill-fitting.


My hands are abandoned factories manufacturing heart-break & hate for the world.

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my hands make me sandwiches.

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I'm a vegetarian for animal rights, and at first when they showed the mice I was sickened by it, because it seemed like they were glossing over the fact that these poor mice were being tortured for research. Then when they introduced the next story, I knew I had to continue watching just to see what their stance was..fortunately I think the entire point was to show a relation between the intro and the first story.

It's pretty sickening to see the actual footage, especially since they didn't really take sides on the story. I just hope that lots of people watch that episode, so they can decide for themselves whether they can truly stomach the reality of how food gets on their plate.

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ira is a vegetarian, as am i. but youre right we should all be sheltered from harsh realities because we dont have the stomach to deal with it. where was the fcc to protect me? the world isnt a cute safe place. its not all sunshine and rainbows.

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You are all seriously more concerned about the inhumanity to some mice rather than a person pleading for help to erase memories that are ruining their life... and are willing to lose all the rest as well. And you are not at all aware of the point of the story which was... a discovery can be good in unintended (and impossible) way or it can be bad in unintented ways.... and it can be both at the same time.

'Pig Improvement' was meant to help the farmer... and it ended up hurting them... and the pig. UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. "He was born on a farm, now he works in a factory".

Anyone getting it??

And I have to say, as a proud (and MUCH amused by the episode as my mantra of college was "Does anyone else think this is weird") graduate of Iowa State University (in Animal Science, no less, Dr. Rothschild was one of my profs) and someone who spent time in the "Iowa State Meat Laboratory"....

Those are not ANAL PROBES. You're a moron and you will never have children.

Semen goes in the *vagina* for baby piggies to be made. If you put semen in the anus, there will be no baby piggies.

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People who want their memories erased are disturbing. We all have bad memories and we all have good memories. Our past experiences have made us into the people we are today. What would be the point of life if we could only remember good things that have happened to us?

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It wasn't ira who said we all eat bacon. It was the producer alex blumberg. Their voices are very similar. The episode was called pandoras box. Talking about what happens when things get out of control.

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They are freiking MICE! Enough said.

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Do you realize how many mice there are in the world?

Now, do you realize how many of them have written sonatas or designed buildings?

If jabbing a mouse in the eye with a hot poker will cure cancer someday, I say jab away.

The 'animal rights' people are mostly nutjobs anyway - people with severe emotional disorders and improper socialization. Meat is for eating.

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You eat mice? Gross.

I have no problem with animal testing as long it is medical and not for vanity (ie make up and shampoo.

I'm bleeding, making me the victor.

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have you gone vegetarian yet?

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To the OP I agree that some animal research is horrible and pointless but be reasonable. That scene was nothing compared to how bad real animal cruelty is. I believe in animal rights to a large degree, I just happen to value human life more. Meaning I have no problem with constructive research done on animals for causes like AIDS, cancer and other important issues facing humans.

If you find a real cause to expose and bring awareness to then I will be right behind you. Until then pick and choose your battles because when you, or people like you make such a stink out of something so minor in comparison to some real animal rights issues you turn us into a joke. Pick and choose your battles.

Sound is usually the greatest character, even if the sound is absent

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