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We actually know how it all ends...


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I don't know how much this has been addressed, but in one of the later episodes (can't remember right now), Joey is talking to the cops, and the interrogation goes something like this.

Joey: something about how we had "4 blocks"

Cop: "you want me to believe that the entire donnelly operation enterprise of just 4 blocks"

Joey: "enterprise? you talk like we were a company that had this all planned out. We were just some guys in a bar"

So I'm sure my memory is off, those aren't nearly close to exact quotes, but you get the idea. WE learn that Obviously, in the end, after season 1, the donnelly's take over the neighborhood. My guess is that dokey lives, and they finally kill him for shooting their mom.

We also know that Joey is arrested and ends up in jail, but he doesn't look that much older than he does in the "story." So I'm guessing he is arrested within a 2-3 years of their "enterprise." And for some reason, something makes me thing that, something said in one of the episdoes, that the donnelly's turned their back on him. I'm going off my memory here. But it made it sound like either he left them, or they left him. And I'm guessing they left him, because he admires them too much.

I need to rewatch it...

But yea, these are just conjectures...mostly.....but yea.....feel free to add whatever you have pieced together. In conclusion though, I feel like there is an ending...in a way. I would think of it like watching Star Wars Episode 3....in the end....you know where its going...you know the ending...but its the story of how it got there.

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Sad that we will truely never know. I loved this show, shame with all my favorite shows in the last two years cancelled. Jericho, Journeyman, and TBD's.

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I concur.
You're probably right but we'll never know for sure. Unless the series is miraculously brought back or made into a movie.

"Our life is looking forward to always looking back" - Al Pacino,'Glengarry Glen Ross'

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*******spoiler alert*******

I actually met the guy that played Jimmy Donnelly and he said that it was written that they were all killed at the end but they were never allowed to film the ending. Sucks, but there it is. I love the show and even watched the online only episodes. There should be more television like this. American's could use a little thought in their entertainment.

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That makes sense... one of the first questions Joey is asked is "Where are the bodies?"

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I actually met Paul Haggis today and asked him why Joey was in jail. He said he had no idea. He said he figured he ratted out the Donnellys and just somehow wound up in jail.

I guess it wasn't a big plot point after all.

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I think that makes sense, as he alludes to their wanting to have him killed at some point in the series.

Joey was the 'narrator', so that's why he was in jail. I'm sure, given time, Haggis would have figured out the 'whys' of JIC's incarceration.

Damn NBC! Stupid, stupid network.

"So eager for eternal damnation.."

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In my opinion, I think the black donnellys are dead.

So, I was a religious watcher when it was on air, and then unfortunately, when it was only available on nbc.com.

I decided to splurge on the dvd set, after receiving my stimulus check (hey, I'm supposed to boost the economy, right?) and I watched the whole set in two days. Just had to see my boys in action, again.

Ok, so the second viewing you start catching on to a lot of little things. In the first episode, I believe, the detetives are asking joey about "the bodies". So, he starts off with the italian guy there and huey and whomever else was in the way that night. At the end of the episode, the detectives tell them, "No, not those bodies".

In the final episode, joey states, "See, the donnelly's can never make it a block out of the neighborhood." Now, on first viewing one would assume it was due to dokey shooting mrs. Donnelly. But, where are the donnellys? Joey usually is not too far behind one of them. Though, I know he'd go to jail for them. The detectives NEVER ask about the whereabouts of the donnelly brothers. All they want to know is where the bodies are.

In reference to the"enterprise", I've assumed, and still do, that they are referring to the rise of their power in the irish neighborhood co-exsisting with dokey's crew...now, that's a force to be wreckoned with and to maybe even be a neighborhood legend.
The only other thing I question..but it could just be a hole in story, but that leaves the whereabouts of jimmy's gf who was also in the van. I'll have to re-watch the final episode.

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After reading all of your comments, it occured to me that maybe this whole thing about "where are the bodies" could directly mean; where are the bodies of the Donnellys'. Someone said that one of the actors mentioned they all were supposed to die. So... maybe the cops were searching for their bodies.... Whoever got rid of them wouldn't want their remains to be found...

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If they're dead, why would Joey be ratting on them? He does say in one episode that "they are his friends" and that the Donnelly's have a contract out on him. He then gets stabbed in another episode. They continue to mention to Joey that he has to stop lying because he has to testify in the grand jury. I don't think they're dead. I don't know what bodies the detectives are talking about, though. Maybe that was supposed to be answered later.

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I don't think the Donnelly's are dead, the detectives wanted some facts that would stick to the Donnelly's.
Just like detective Frankie said to Tommy about Dokey, he could testify but without a good reason they would be back on the street a day later.

Something that wasn't clear at the end of the season was: Did Nicky survive? If so, how did things work out for him?
If he somehow managed to get out on top he could've started a partnership with the Donnelly's.

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What happened to Whitey's body?

Probably edited for time, but they had to have at least made mention of it somewhere, even if it didn't make the final cut.

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I think it's possible that the brothers really didn't die. Remember, Joey is a habitual liar. It's hard to tell where the truth and his lies start and end.

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I don't think the Donnelly's are dead, the detectives wanted some facts that would stick to the Donnelly's.
Just like detective Frankie said


Something funny I didn't realize until that episode (the second to last one?) that Detective Frankie's last name is Stein.

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Yeah that totally makes sense...that the Donnelly's were killed and the cops are looking for their bodies. I was always wondering what they meant by saying 'no, not those bodies the other bodies". That and the fact that they never got a block out of their own neighborhood. Good pick up. They're dead.

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Just watched the whole show, and I don't think Joey was ratting them out.
In my opinion Donnellys killed the whole Dokey crew after he shot their mother. Then they were arrested and Joey also. But the cops knew that Joey wasn't a big factor in all that 'enterprise' so they wanted him to testify against them. That's why they were talking about jury and asking him to stop lying (because he didnt want to rat them out)
So, conclusion would be that the Donnellys standed a trial for killing a lot of people, they were not dead. Just my opinion

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I thought it was obvious that what they had planned for the season 2 opener was Tommy and the gang at the emergency room with their mother dying and Tommy runs across Nicky who was there getting treated for the poison he drank earlier. With the head of the Italian operation now gone, Nicky would strike up a deal with Tommy. Nicky would help him take out Dokey and his crew. Nicky would assume control of the Italian side and place Tommy at the head of the Irish side. I thought what would be great for a second season would be Nicky running the show with Tommy as his underboss but then Tommy starts to show that he can run things better without Nicky. The power struggle and everything leading up to it would have been great.

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Damn, yeah... I just finished watching the show for the second time and that makes perfect sense. I just wish we got to see the second season. I don't know why NBC had to do this, TBD was truly one of the best television shows ever. I would pay a lot of money for someone to create a second season, but it's too late now. I blame majority of the people in America who would rather watch the garbage that is spilling out right now.

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Hm, did i miss something? Wasnt it Nickys brother that gave them fake grenades, almost getting Jimmy and Joey killed, and therefore almost all killed?

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I think it was a good cliffhanger because it could have gone either way. If it was(as it unfortunately was) cancelled, they could say they were all killed and the Police were looking for the Donnelly bodies.

If it was (as I wish it was) renewed for a second season, they could make it that Ma died and the boys sought revenge and the Police were looking for the bodies of their victims in order to stick it to the Donnelly's.

I loved this show. It was so clever and funny and had real potential. Now all we really have are stupid reality shows...

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It wasn't Nicky's brother that gave them the grenades, it was some Irish guy named Dicky.

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I'd always thought that the whole "Wheres the bodies?" Comment was referring to the Donnelly's bodies, but I always had in the back of my mind that the cops assumed them as being dead when the were hiding out pretending to be dead and planning out their next steps. However, I did wonder if Dokey did die because he did get shot while the Donnelly's where escaping (Which they DID escape! If you rewatch it, after the shoot out, they make a get away then the credits come up, so they could have all died after that point, but the way it was filmed I guessed that they lived. Back to the point however) Dokey's wound was right under his heart area which I dont think would be a very high success rate of survival even if he got to the hospital on time. So I always assumed that season two would be the Doneelly's cleaning up the rest of Dokeys crew and dealing with Nicky until some wedge comes between Nicky and one of the Donnelly's forcing the new focus to be Irish vs Italians.

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the question is why would Joey know where the Donelly's bodies are? This makes me question whether the intention was for the brothers to fake their own deaths to escape a life of crime (and live with Jenny).

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Doesn't Joey make a reference to his friends having taken out a hit on him? Then, the knifing in the shower happens, etc. So, I presume at least some of the Donnelly bros. survive and there's some (possibly unimportant) reason that he parts ways. Maybe just as simple as he got caught and is trying to make a deal.

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I did wonder if Dokey did die because he did get shot while the Donnelly's where escaping (Which they DID escape! If you rewatch it, after the shoot out, they make a get away then the credits come up, so they could have all died after that point, but the way it was filmed I guessed that they lived. Back to the point however) Dokey's wound was right under his heart area which I dont think would be a very high success rate of survival even if he got to the hospital on time.


At first I thought it looked like Kevin had shot him around the shoulder. But then, when they showed a close-up of Dookie, it seemed to be the stomach area. Stomach or right under the heart, either would be difficult to survive.

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