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As a professional working in the industry...this was GOOD


I am a Christian working in the film industry and I have to say this movie was very, very well made. I have seen many BAD Christian movies in my time, and I have seen many BAD secular movies and in my professional opinion this was NOT a bad movie. And then to discover that none of the cast were professional actors, well, I am in awe of the amazing work the filmmakers did. I have seen many BAD scripts in my time, and this script was better than many popular and expensive "blockbusters". It was well shot and edited, and the game footage was some of the best I've seen in any sports movie. You people who criticize, unless you really know what you are talking about, and you don't, save the juvenile criticism for Youtube.

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As a person with common sense and no dogmatic bullsh*t beliefs, this was CRAP.

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Run out of smart things to say have we? Thanks for re-inforceing my comment above

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I could care less about religion, except for the fact that it holds families, cultures, and lives together... but that doesn't excuse the fact that this movie was very good.

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Dogmatic bullsh*t Beliefs. Codeword for "atheist who hates God, Christians and ANYTHING related to them." Why was it crap? Show us your Ebert skills.

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Saying someone hates something they don't actually think exists makes you sound stupid. Atheists honestly don't think god exists, therefore it is impossible for them to hate god. Do you hate Santa Claus?

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"Saying someone hates something they don't actually think exists makes you sound stupid. Atheists honestly don't think god exists, therefore it is impossible for them to hate god."

Many professing atheists are actually anti-theists that believe God exists and just despise Him...they only claim not to believe in His existence out of spite.

If someone has a needlessly aggressive attitude toward those that do believe in God, it's very likely that they fit this description.

+++by His wounds we are healed. - Isaiah 53:5+++


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Couldn't have said it better.
This is religious crap.

"He say you Blade Runner." "Tell him I´m eating."

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Just because you have a desk job at some Christian film studio doesn't make you any more qualified to judge a movie than anyone else. This film was slammed critically, even by some Christian critics. It is not juvenile to criticize a film, especially one that so wholeheartedly deserves it like 'Facing the Giants'.

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When you say you work in the film industry do you mean that you get coffee for CEOs or are you a jaintor?

Alex: Because I love you, you idiot! So much it scares the crap out of me!

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To each there own. I did not care for the movie at all. I really thought that the script was over the top and that the actual game played out exactly the way Friday Night Lights played out. It killed me that the opposing coach had a lollipop ala FNL. It was just bad in my eyes. HOWEVER, if you liked the movie that is great. There have been a lot of films that I liked that other people that sucked and vis versa. I hated "The English Patient" and it was hailed as a masterpiece by the so called experts.

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I don't really feel the need to qualify myself to you pre-teens, but if you really want to know, I am a Producer in the secular industry, and I have smarter (and might I say, wittier) people than any of you children getting my coffee for me.

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"I don't really feel the need to qualify myself to you pre-teens, but if you really want to know, I am a Producer in the secular industry, and I have smarter (and might I say, wittier) people than any of you children getting my coffee for me"

Your claims to fame fall on deaf ears because this is a faceless internet forum where anybody can say anything. It is irrelevant what we believe about you, for there is no way that you can prove what you say. Claims such as yours in an environment such as this are erroneous and come across as a person trying to trump everyone else with their "opinion". You should never have bothered going there. If you were so smart, you'd have realized this before posting the thread.

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oh, yes!!! wait... I thought that you said you were "christian"... I was thinking about converting and becoming saved, but if this is what I will be a part of, then you can forget it... way to go!


"I have smarter (and might I say, wittier) people than any of you children getting my coffee for me."

What's your name again? it wouldn't happen to be something like 'Steven Spielberg' or anything like that...


I thought that the whole "love them like Jesus" (yes, I just quoted Casting Crowns) thing was supposed to come into play here... I guess that you are just a lot of broken down hypocrites trying to act like you have the slightest morals that help you sleep at night.

thank-you or representing your religion so well!

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'It is not juvenile to criticize a film'.
I agree, but it is juvenile to resort to derogatory and demeaning name calling towards people that do like a film that you don't. Adults don't do this- pimply teens do, hence my original reference to that teen paradise called Youtube.

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You're as witty as my daughter and she can't speak.

Even if you do work for a film studio that doesn't mean you're Rogert Ebert. You're opinion is no more important then anyone who posts on here. I have an art degree but that doesn't make me Da Vinci.

Alex: Because I love you, you idiot! So much it scares the crap out of me!

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Im just a viewer, and I think this film works absolutely wonderful as a family drama. Love it.

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"but it is juvenile to resort to derogatory and demeaning name calling towards people that do like a film that you don't"

You mean in the same manner as your referring to anyone who doesn't buy your claim hook, line, and sinker as "children"?

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"but it is juvenile to resort to derogatory and demeaning name calling towards people that do like a film that you don't"

You mean in the same manner as your referring to anyone who doesn't buy your claim hook, line, and sinker as "children"?

Nope. Just stating a fact. When somebody doesn't have the maturity to critique a film on it's artistic and technical merits but instead spouts childish and bigoted comments in order to elicit some kind of rise from people who enjoyed the film that is juvenile. I'll admit, pimply-faced teenagers haven't cornered the market in those types of comments, but the "adults" who feel the need to are just as immature.

By the way, I have just finished watching this movie again, and I enjoyed it even more.

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Lots of people have critiqued the film on it's artistic merit and such and have come to the conclusion that it simply isn't good. That includes christians. Just because the overall opinion doesn't jive with your thoughts on the film doesn't mean they are wrong. Opinions are not facts, and that's pretty much all you have. Sorry.

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I have no issue with intelligent debate, mature criticism and differences of opinion. What I do have a problem with are the many second grade level posters whose juvenile attempts to belittle Christianity in these forums shows them for what they are - snotty-nosed little children bereft of intelligence and better suited to low-brow pursuits such as Youtube. The film itself is not important to them - it's the perverse attempts to get a rise from the people with genuine faith in God that gives them their jollies. I have not seen one intelligent comment or critique come from any of those mockers, and until I do, I will continue to call them as I see them.

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newlifemedia:

I very much disliked this film. I thought it was painfull to watch. Again if it works for you that is great! Everyone has there own taste and there is nothing wrong with that.

Unfortunately when the subject of religion comes up there is not much tolerance from the so called tolerant side. Specificaly the fellas you are debating. If you are christian they will attack you and there is no reasoning with them. They claim tolerance but I have found that the only tolerance that they will tolerate is there own ideas. They want to argue there own points and will refuse to listen to yours. They are already forming an argument before they hear your what you have to say. They are not open to an honest discussion. Only to shoot your thoughts down.

If you are a christian be happy with it and dont try to explain it to them. They will only belittle you and call you names. That is the mind of an EXTREME liberal as it is with an EXTREME conservative. Both sides are over the top and niether side is open to any ideas other than what they believe and feel safe with. I personally do not attend church and again despised this movie. As a conservative I find that when I get into these debates with the lefties there is not much you can do other than watch them twist your words and resort to name calling when you start making to much sense. Again it pains me as a conservative to see the same thing happen when a conservative resorts to these tactics.

It is sad but the way that it is. Be happy with your life and dont engage with people that have no desire to listen to you or your ideas. It will save you a lot of frustration. Let them think they have won and move on. These MB's are not that important in the long run.

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I would just like to say that you should NEVER generalize newlifemedia...There are just as many ignorant adults out there as there is teenagers...Why people insist on blaming everything on todays youth is beyond me...Perhaps those that do should look in the mirror and ask, "Have I done my job as a parent if my teenager is running around spewing antics?" If the answer to that is no then frankly, it's the adults fault...Monkey see, monkey do...Besides, they are just children after all and therefore still have some learning to do...Give them a break, not everyone is brought up the way you may have been and quite often, they know no other way...So again, blame the people they look up to (aka the "adults")...

As for discussing religion...It's nearly impossible to do...It always resorts to "I'm right and your wrong"...Why can't it be discussed intelligently? There is no middle-ground..You either believe or you don't...I'm not a believer myself but I won't shoot down anyone that is...However, if you turn it into a discussion (which if there is two opposing parties, negates to a debate) the entire purpose is to beat down the other persons opinion and or view while substantiating your own...With that said, I'd be careful what you ask for ;)

This coming from an 18 year-old...Told you we all aren't bad...

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eady-2004

Nice take. Very well thought out and written. I think you are right. Many things that the "youth" of today are blamed for are no differant than stuff that happened 50 years ago. Teenagers had sex and drank back in the 50's. I think some of the changes (IMO for the worse) is that pop culture throughs out the most extremes stuff. Young people are impressionable and tend to follow trends. Yes even the smart ones. The differance is parenting and lack of discipline. With that said I do know many good kids out there.

As for religion, I think newslifemedia, was called out and he reacted. Many of the people that come on this MB are christian haters and belittle anyone that has a positive thing to say about christianity. It is funny and sad at the same time. Funny to see how obrasive and hypocrytical people can be and sad becuase you see how obrasive and hypocrytical people can be.

Eady, learn from the people on this board. It is ok to believe in god and it is ok to not believe in god. Just dont act like a jackass becuase you dont agree. So many examples to look at on this thread alone. I dont think Media is really one of those.

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Ok, it's time for a little confession. I admit to you all right now that the purpose of my original post, and all of the subsequent ones were for the sole purpose of baiting any non-Christians on this board! I just wanted to see how much of a rise I could get out of the mockers of Christianity - a bit of reverse psychology perhaps. Probably badly done, but fun nonetheless. And I basically got what I was after - more than two pages of comments! I'll be honest, I didn't get into any deep thinking when it came to writing my posts, basically whatever came into my head I wrote. When I first became a Christian I used to engage in endless and useless debates with those who mocked what I believed in. I wasted many hours and millions of keystrokes on what was ultimately a fruitless exercise. Now, instead of getting angry and frustrated, I engage in a little bit of "leftie bashing" occasionally. Why let them have all the fun? So, my apologies if anyone was offended by what I wrote. BTW, for the record, I do actually work in the industry as a producer, and I did actually enjoy the movie, but I do agree that much of the acting was clunky and the script could have been better, but I challenge anyone else on this board to do better for $100,000 and no professional actors or crew (although the D.O.P was second unit camera on Friday Night Lights, hence the similarities in style).

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NLM:

Since you are in the biz and liked this movie can you defend something that I have been pounding about this movie for weeks?

If you take the game sequences in both this film and Friday Night Lights and watch them side by side the game plays out identicly. I have not seen one single person in this film defend this. I mean everything about the game is the same. The coach for the opposing team even has a lollipop on the sidelines. That shows to me a total lack of creativity. Even a lack of self respect for the writer and director. It is not the cheese in this movie that bothers me it is the flat out plagiarism of one of my favorite movies.

What are your thoughts on this?

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I'm sorry to disappoint you tcoon, but nearly everything in movie making is plagiarised, or to be more precise, imitated. Steven Spielberg is quite open about the fact that he directly copied the dogfight sequences from The Battle of Britain for the battle above the Death Star in Star Wars scene for scene. I have lost count of the amount of times I have seen the same shots, styles or even storylines in different movies. Setting aside the fact that Facing the Giants and Friday Night Lights were both shot by the same man, imitation is a legitimate device in film making. Because both of these films deal with the same subject, it stands to reason that they will look very similar. I can't speak for the film makers, of course, but I'd imagine they deliberately had the opposing coach suck a lollipop as a joke, especially due to the fact the DOP shot FNL. I do that kind of thing in my productions all the time. Some people pick it up, some don't. We have a little chuckle on set, but we don't stress about it because, hey, it's fun! The other thing to consider in all of this, and I think some people on this forum miss this, is that these guys are not seasoned professionals. Sure, there are some weak parts of the script and some ordinary acting, but - hey, they made a feature film. Who else here has done that?

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"Steven Spielberg is quite open about the fact that he directly copied the dogfight sequences from The Battle of Britain for the battle above the Death Star in Star Wars scene for scene"

Steven Spielberg???

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Steven Spielberg???

Sorry you are correct. George Lucas borrowed the scenes from The Battle of Britain for Star Wars. I was the victim of too many cut and pastes in my post. I had mentioned Spielberg's Close Encounters, in which he included a number of homages to various movies, including from Star Wars.

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Yeah but all the game plays out EXACTLY with the exception of the field goal. To me if you are going to make a movie and call yourself an "artist" then you should at least make an effort to be somewhat original.

Speilbergh copying dogfights is one thing but stealing a script is kind of weak. I know you are a fan of this film and I am fine with that but you should not defend this aspect. If you get a chance to see both films the same day you should watch them together just to show how much of a rip off it is.

I think being in the industry it should bother you a little.

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"Yeah but all the game plays out EXACTLY with the exception of the field goal. To me if you are going to make a movie and call yourself an "artist" then you should at least make an effort to be somewhat original.

Speilbergh copying dogfights is one thing but stealing a script is kind of weak. I know you are a fan of this film and I am fine with that but you should not defend this aspect. If you get a chance to see both films the same day you should watch them together just to show how much of a rip off it is.

I think being in the industry it should bother you a little."

Surely you are not serious? Without trying to sound too judgmental, I can confidently say that you have no understanding of the film industry whatsoever. I suggest that you read the Trivia sections here on IMDB for any or all of the films that you like (or dislike) and count the amount of times a film maker will include either a homage, a parody or a direct imitation of other films. George Lucas directly copied several of Akira Kurosawa's films in Star Wars. Woody Allen reveres Fellini and references many of his films in his own. Hithcock has been imitated many times, Mr Bean is a direct rip off of Jacque Tati's Monsieur Hulot. What about "The Ring", a direct remake of Hideo Nakata's "Ringu"? What about "The Grudge", or "Dark Water"? If we follow your "logic" we must call all of these well known and respected film makers "thieves" and "weak". I, along with all of my fellow film makers use imitation constantly, and if you don't like it, watch TV instead. Oh, wait...America's Got Talent seems remarkably similar to American Idol. Maybe you should just read a book. Oh, hang on....there are many authors who do the same thing. Maybe you should just sit in a darkened room and pick the lint from your navel.

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Newlifemedia: I enjoyed your review and your little posting experiment as well. And regardless of whether I happen to agree with every aspect of your review (which is irrelevant in any case), I found each of your posts very interesting and even somewhat educational. And I have just enough personal experience in the industry (that came about in the course of eight years of litigation on a case where originality was the major issue) to conclude that most everything you said is quite believable. It is truly amazing how often these boards descend into ad hominems and critiquing of the reviewers instead of the work itself.

Yes, I think one can examine the downsides of a movie and still marvel and applaud what the crew was able to accomplish on such a tiny budget. I don't have to adore every aspect of the movie to be able to say to those who worked on it (who probably catch up on these posts every now and then): You have my great respect for such positive results on an incredibly meager financial investment. I get the impression from all the accounts I've read that this must have been a wonderful "team effort" and a positive experience for everyone who worked on the film. I would love to see what you might be able to do in the future with a more generous budget. And it is nice to see a film that doesn't drown in its own cynicism. (Sometimes it's nice to see something truly uplifting.)

Newlifemedia, I hope you keep posting despite the detractors. You have perspectives which interest me.

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So, you haven't resorted to derogatory and demeaning name calling? Right.

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I agree with you. My husband works in the industry too. I'm so sorry to hear all the criticism from people. I'm not sure they know what they are talking about. This movie was not only good but anointed too. My teenagers watched in loved it and my husband and I watched it laughed and cried. We all face giants in our lives. I applaud the people who made this.

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"I'm not sure they know what they are talking about"

If this film wasn't espousing your personal belief, you'd agree with the criticism. Your belief blinds you to the truth that the film simply isn't good.

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If this film wasn't espousing your personal belief, you'd agree with the criticism. Your belief blinds you to the truth that the film simply isn't good.

The thing you don't realize janus, is that your beliefs are blinding you as well. Your hatred of Christianity is blinding you to this films major accomplishments- a full length feature film shot on a budget of $100,000 with a cast and crew of amateurs, not to mention a film that causes many people to think about their own lives and walk away affected by it's message.
People like you base your judgements solely on your prejudices (and the lack of gratuitous sex scenes), not realizing that most serious filmmakers aren't interested in simple "entertainment". Let me give you a quick lesson in film theory (and I'll use simple words and write slowly so that you can understand). A serious film makers' sole aim is to cause the audience to leave the cinema having had their emotions affected in some way (either in the positive or negative). A film that doesn't cause introspection is shallow and without substance (Dodgeball, Something About Mary, generally anything with Rob Schneider in it), a "fast-food" film that doesn't nourish the body, and most modern Hollywood films fall into this category. This generation of film goers are being fed a diet of bland, emotionless (unless you count "titillation" as an emotion) crap, and so people like you criticize films when they don't contain the three main modern film "ingredients"- sex, violence and profanity. If you see a film that doesn't contain these base ingredients, but instead causes you to think a little, you jump up and down in indignation like a toddler denied his favorite toy.
Facing the Giants has caused people to think, whether positively or negatively, about it's message. Many, many people have been emotionally affected by it (myself included) and are making major changes in their lives because of it. Can the same thing be said about Dumb and Dumber, or American Pie? Weak acting? Sure, in parts. Predictable script? In some respects. But as a piece of film making, it stands above most of the crap in cinemas at the moment.

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No DFJ, myself, and others don't hate this movie because its a Christian movie. We hate this movie because its a piece of *beep*

It has horrible acting, horrible dialogue, a recycled plot, and contrived and forced message.

We would still be saying that this movie is a PoS no matter what religion it was about, you on the other hand only praise it because its a Christian movie and tells you what you want to hear.

Vote Pein for president in 08. He'll end overpopulation for good.

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"No DFJ, myself, and others don't hate this movie because its a Christian movie."

Yeah, right! Your posts have had almost nothing to do with the movie itself druggie. You have done nothing but attack those who enjoyed it, bad-mouthed the church and God, and generally p*****d all over these forums with your foul attitude. dbblsanta and DFJ have at least made some comments about the movie (although they were a bit hard to find amongst all of their "I hate Christians" hyperbola), some of which I half agree with, while davidsco27 is just a juvenile, pimple-faced child.

"you on the other hand only praise it because its a Christian movie and tells you what you want to hear"

Druggie, didn't you read my above post??? Talk about recycling the same old not-so-well-thought-out arguments again and again and again. I feel like I am Bill Murray in Groundhog Day judging by some of the responses you lot have come up with! The fact that it is a Christian movie is only one of the reasons I enjoyed this film. I enjoyed M. Night Shayamalan's Lady in the Water for some of the same reasons. It wasn't extremely well written, the story was a little contrived and required some serious suspension of disbelief, but there was something about that movie that made me think about it for days afterwards. The same with Field of Dreams. A touch contrived, requiring some major suspension of disbelief, but it had something special about it- an atmosphere you could call it that stayed with me for days after. That is what makes a good movie, and FtG did that for me too. Then again, I appreciate film making as a craft. You should try that one day.

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NLM:

I think this is where you lose me. I did not care for the movie for a couple of reasons.

A) The game as I have gone over numerous times was not a homage but pure theft of FNL. Enough said on that.

B) The message lacked any subtleness and was in your face. I got it after a couple of minutes that if I am "saved" by the lord everything will be OK. The director was either preaching to the choir or viewed his audience as a bunch of morons that might forget that this was a christian film.

To me this movie just stank. Pure and simple. I do appreciate film making and can appreciate many types of films. I can find positives to say about many films that most people dislike. I gave Facing Giants a chance and sat through the movie. That is all that you can ask. If I did not like it that is my perogitive. I figured out within a few moments that this was a christian film and still gave it a chance. In the end all it did was suck. Sorry.

If you liked the film that is great and I respect your view but it seems to me that anyone that says something negative about this film is an idiot in your book. In my book it seems a little hypocritical of you to blast people and tell them that they do not understand film making and that is why they did not enjoy the film.

This movie was horrid, absolutely horrid. The message was not subtle and in no way allowed the viewer to think for himself. I have never been one to bash religion but to me this film turned me off to it. Since the point of this film was to "Save" me and all it did was make me want to run from religion you tell me, how was this film succesfull?

This film sucked.

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"If you liked the film that is great and I respect your view but it seems to me that anyone that says something negative about this film is an idiot in your book."

That's not entirely true, tcoon. You have not seen the need to resort to immature name calling, bullying and massive overgeneralization compared to those others (yes davidsco27, I am talking about you) with no other reasons for disliking this film other than it being a Christian film. You, of all the other posters tcoon, have at least presented one legitimate reason for your dislike of the movie (that it mirrors FNL although I feel your anger over this legitimate film making device is a touch naive). Those I consider "idiots" (your words, not mine) are those who come into these forums with one purpose- stir up trouble and bad mouth Christians. The film is just a platform to spout their hate. Some examples (and they criticize Christians for being "closed minded"!?)

"As a person with common sense and no dogmatic bullsh*t beliefs, this was CRAP."

"You've GOT to be kidding me with this crap! Please, GET ME OUT OF THIS COUNTRY NOW!!!! HELP HELP HELP!!!!!!!!"

"Did you have to put down your bible to write that? moron"

"Go soak your head in the holy water, brainwashed moron"

"This movie is the biggest bunch of crap Ive ever seen. Talk about being force fed religion."

tcoon, you said "The message was not subtle and in no way allowed the viewer to think for himself." I really take umbrage with this comment. It's a Christian movie! It makes no apologies for that. In fact it's byline is "With God all things are possible" - not "guaranteed", but "possible". Many people in these forums have bemoaned the fact that the people in the film seem to get whatever they ask for. Once again an understanding of the film making process helps here. In a 2 hour feature film the need to compress and simplify the main concepts of a story mean that some things will seem less real than they are in real life. Film making is all about telling the story successfully in a relatively short space of time and exaggeration or over simplifying events helps propel the story along. Some things need to be exaggerated or bent to fit into that time frame. Look at a one hour episode of CSI. Anyone who has any involvement in law enforcement will tell you that solving real crimes is nothing like what happens in CSI and can sometimes take months or even years to solve, but in order to make a one hour episode work as a narrative events and situations are compressed. That is what happened in this film. I have experienced myself many of the things the characters in this film experienced, although they were over many years, with a lot of stuff in between that weren't so good.
You also said "Since the point of this film was to "Save" me and all it did was make me want to run from religion you tell me, how was this film succesfull?" If you go back through these forums you will see many posts from people who have been touched and affected by this film. And these are just the people who took the time to post a comment. I know for a fact that in churches all around America people are accepting Christ after having watched this film- drug addicts, victims of abuse, people who have been contemplating suicide. These are the people who the film makers made the movie for, not those with a predisposition to hate it because it's about God and His goodness. So, yes, this film was, is and will be successful to those who need to hear it's message. And unlike other films, the fruit of it's success are eternal.

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Don't watch it. It's a free country.

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NLM:

I just did not like the flick. Again I have said it is great that they produced a film that sends a message to there target audience. However I should not be called naive becuase I am not in the buisness and do not understand how the film industy works. Incidently I thought the new Indiana Jones movie was over the top as well and they spent millions of dollars on that and if it came down to watching IJ4 again or FG I would be hard pressed to chose. I would probably give more respect to FG becuase it is an amature film and done on a small budget.

I agree that there are many people on this site that are definately anti-christian. Not sure why they give a crap about this movie. It is not mainstream and not being shown on NBC on primetime but I have noticed that the vitriol and lack of tolerance ALWAYS seems to come from the so called people proclaiming there tolerance. SO we can agree on this point as well. Just be carefull not to get in the gutter with those people.

Ultimately I agree and hope that more films come out with the "spirit" of this film. I have no problem with spiritual messages. Classic movies like Ben-Hur, Its a Beautiful Life, and even Signs are great movies that anyone can enjoy without feeling as if religion is being thrust down there throats. The stuff coming out of Hollywood now is a bit embarrasing and I do not go to the movies with my dad based on the gratuitous sex that is really not neccesarry. I am 40 and dont want to watch some couple having sex with my mom and dad even at this age. AWKWARD!

Again, I thought the FNL issue was to much. It was not a homage but plain laziness on the part of FG writers. Sorry but you will not convince me that it was anything other than that. Incidently I probably would not be so hell bent (no pun intended) if the game had been more original.

Danceforhim63:

Thanks for your input. Again I have not insulted religion just the movie. This site is made for discussion on film. If you dont like it that I have a take then you should not be on ths site. If you want to read nothing but positive comments about this film go to its fanpage and stay off IMDB.




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NLM:

One more thing you said I want to respond to. I must concede your point that this was made for the Christian audience and that it is indeed true that CSI is probably nothing like how CSI teams in real life work (I would not know since I am not a or never have been a CSI)

Just want to let you know that your point was taken on that note.

Keep your chin up and even though I disagree with you on the Homage issue I do respect and value your point of view. Just dont let the anti-christian people get you to upset. They are just angry and bitter because you do not think like them. Remember people that believe in god are not as tolerant and smart as they the progressives that only pray to god when they are in trouble. LOL

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tcoon, thank you for this reply. It appears that I have unfortunately lumped you in with the other posters in this forum and for that I wholeheartedly apologize. Your above post is insightful and sincere, and I can now appreciate what you have been saying. I don't agree with some of it, but that's ok!

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The reason I've done nothing but bad mouth this film is because I can't find a single positive thing to say about it.

I happen to appreciate good sports movies. My favorite being Coach Carter as it has everything that this movie doesn't. Actors that can actually act and look like atheletes, realistic dialogue, and a not predicatble ending.

Of course you wouldn't like this movie they don't praise God every 5 seconds, they get their success from training and working as a team.

Vote Pein for president in 08. He'll end overpopulation for good.

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My question to you, when was the last time you made a film on a shoestring budget or any type of movie? No body is forcing you to watch this movie. I'm amazed at how people criticize things that they wouldn't have a clue how to do themselves. It's amazing the people who criticize could not make a movie.
If you think you can do something better, go ahead and make the movie, it may be good or not.

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Roger Ebert's law.

When you ask somebody to try their own hand at something before criticizing your efforts, you have violated Ebert's Law and lost the argument. Roger Ebert is not a filmmaker, but he knows what he likes and doesn't, and has every right to say so. Similarly, people don't need to be chefs to recognize a good restaurant, or musicians to appreciate a symphony.


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You are right Druggie, if you are talking about opinions, not expertise. As an ordinary, off the street diner I can criticise a restaurant for not enjoying a meal for some reason, but if I was a professional chef I could criticise it for not including enough garlic in the Bernaise. Criticism remains, but the criticism of the professional holds more weight than the criticism of the diner. As a professional film maker, my critique of this films artistic and technical merits would hold more sway than someone who was simply offended by it's message.

And BTW Ebert's 'laws' only apply to him. We are not held to obey them as they are simply something he made up!

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Professional film critics might not always be filmmakers, but they DO go to college to study film from an academic perspective, not a production perspective. Newspapers don't just hire hobos off the street to write film reviews; film critics have receieved a college degree for studying the medium.

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True dbblsanta, but as a viewer of a film, would you prefer to read a review of it from an emotional perspective or an academic one? Film makers are intrinsically artistic in nature and therefore connect with story telling and the technical aspects of film from an emotional plane, whereas an academic will view a film from a logical or clinical point of view.
BTW, when I first started working in film production I had to "unlearn" most of the stuff I learnt at college because the theory simply did not apply and relate to the "real world" of film making.

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Professional film critics might not always be filmmakers, but they DO go to college to study film from an academic perspective, not a production perspective. Newspapers don't just hire hobos off the street to write film reviews; film critics have receieved a college degree for studying the medium.

Ebert's degree was in journalism.
Siskel's was in philosophy.

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I've never heard of "Ebert's Law" but as Ebert wrote the scripts for three of Russ Meyer's sex pics (not considered hardcore porn) over a period of a decade, Ebert does have experience working on the fringes of the mainstream film industry.

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I agree with you wholeheartedly, newlifemedia, and I was so happy to read your professional assessment of this wonderful film. It truly warmed my heart to know that a professional in the film industry felt this way. God has truly gifted the folks at Sherwood... WOW!

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I'm afraid I'd consider myself a viewer of movies who prefers the classics, I didn't like this movie, but was more just not my taste in movies. I do find that generally directed religious movies of any religion will not usually do well with those who are not as let's say pious. A classic example would be the da vinci code and the uproar in the Vatican over the film. Giants, is what it is, a movie shot on zero budget intended for a Christian audience. It does not appeal to me, and I don't think it appeals to most of my generation, I'm 24. But that does not make it a bad film, just makes it a film I don't think I can appreciate based on a secular background and that I likely will not understand the film and it's possible religious background.

Also, everyone in this thread should lighten up a bit, it's life guys, it's a movie, like someone stated, Don't watch it or do, like with all films.

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Floridaboy...Well said! The most intelligent and balanced negative review of this movie so far in these threads.

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Actually, I'm a Maltheist and I still liked the movie. It was a little corny in places, but no more so than anything else out there.

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Quick, somebody get Newlifemedia's meds! He thinks he works in the film industry now. At least it's not as bad as last week, when he claimed to be Napoleon.

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For a christian movie I thought it was pretty good. Most of these types of films are hard to take but this one I actually enjoyed. Some acting was not all up to par and yet some scenes had moving performances. For the $10,000 budget they had I thought the production value was impressive..As a whole the movie successfully delivered its message in a way that demonstrates the workings of God's will in our lives as we strengthen our faith.

As someone who worked in the sports pro-team field on a professional level for over 17 years, God is a strong topic in locker rooms. I found the story of the coach and his team a great vehicle to teach christianity and how to have faith God's word in every day life.

I loved the line when someone tells the coach, " in the bible there are 365 times that God says "have No Fear" "... (One time for each day of the year so that we may live a fearless life.)

On another note, the film budget was $10,000 and made over $10 million!!!...

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It was solid, and I agree. You have to understand there will always be haters for ANY Christian movie,no matter how good.

They could have spent 100 mill on "Facing", and you would still get criticism. No worries.

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