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Never played Warcraft...never will...but I liked the movie...except for

posted 8 years ago by papa_mac-1
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They never explained how/why Medivh became posessed by fel? Or why he made the initial invite to Gul'dan to come through the gate? Seems kinds stupid to leave that out? I had to look it up on wikipedia to read the lore and find out that Medivh became corrupted before birth and possessed by the spirit of a demon. They should have explained this in some way for non players of the game. Good movie though.....a sequel would be nice.

[–] Leklor 8 years ago

That's something for latter.
We're supposed to get a clear and precise explanations from Medivh himself later during the Warcraft 3 storyline when the demons you've read about try to invade Azeroth.

[–] sens_death 8 years ago

As a fan of the lore, I agree with you. I was pissed off that they didn't even mentioned Sargeras. He is basically the great evil who started it all. From being a noble protector of worlds, he turned into the one who wants to undo everything he stood up for. He created The Burning Legion, demonic force who follow his path. The fel, Medivh, Medivh's mother, Gul'dan, everything is connected to Sargeras himself and they didn't bothered to explain his origins in five minutes or so. This is like leaving Sauron out of The Lord of the Rings. I was most excited for Gul'dan before seeing the movie, but I knew Medivh was supposed to be the most important character in the movie, aside from orc baby and they screwed up Medivh bad. I don't think Ben Foster done a terrible job with Medivh, instead I think his job on Medivh is decent. Could have been a lot better, but thankfully it's not worse than it turned out. I blame the script, and writing in general. Basically, if I had no idea about the lore before watching the movie, I would be initially confused by the demon, because through out the whole movie they keep mentioning "fel". Alodi character (in the black cube) could have been perfectly used to explain who Sargeras is and what happened to Medivh's mother, but they give the most awkward and short dialogue, especially when actor with such potential, Glenn Close could have made the summary about Sargeras more interesting.

Not to mention how idiotic that "fight" (if one can call it like that) between Khadgar & Lothar vs. Medivh/Sargeras is. First of all, that Golem looked like it's taken straight from a cartoon and was generally silly, and the second just when Medivh fully transforms into Sargeras he gets rekt by falling Golem.

[–] cgrients 8 years ago

I liked the medivh khadgar Lothar fight. Golem was a cutiepie.

[–] OurGloriousLeader 8 years ago

This is like leaving Sauron out of The Lord of the Rings.

Sounds more like leaving Morgoth and Eru out of Lord of the Rings, which was 100% correct to do.

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[–] Leklor 8 years ago

If you know your lore, you'd know that Sargeras is barely a known variable even in "The Last Guardian". The whole point of the Burning Legion in Warcraft 3 is to be a surprise antagonist, that breaks temporarily the cycle of war between humans and orcs. If you spoil the fact that there is an army of space demons roaming around, who's going to care about the struggles of men and orcs.

[–] zumannaruto 8 years ago

Are you saying that people didn't know about Legion until warcraft 3?

[–] Leklor 8 years ago

Indeed, some characters knew of it but they weren't named until Warcraft 3 (And said characters were mostly limited to the books)

[–] DrNarud 8 years ago

Are you saying that people didn't know about Legion until warcraft 3?

No, they didn't. Mind you, the Burning Legion is hinted at already in Warcraft 2, with mentions of Sargeras and Kil'jaeden, and there were indications that the orcs may not of been inherently evil but were corrupted. However, the big reveal did not come until Warcraft 3 which was also the first time when the Burning Legion was ever mentioned by name.

[–] cgrients 8 years ago

I don't think the viewer needs to know that history to empathize with the character.

I figure they will cover that in a sequel.

[–] wickerman71 8 years ago

I think your spot on; there was already allot of jumping around from place to place in the film. Adding Sargeras with the Titans & the Burning Legion would have added needless complication to the story of the first war.

[–] tanel-trei-001 8 years ago

The movie definitely should have been longer but even then it would have been hard to explain everything. Throwing in more names and stuff might have been confusing for people new to the Warcraft universe. But I do agree that some things should have been at least hinted at more clearly. The movie does have a lot of hints for fans but those are quite subtle.

[–] kaskait 8 years ago

How much longer? It was a full two hours and some minutes change. No one will sit 3 hours for a video game adaptation.

What was wrong with the film storywise was that it tried to include too many characters and did so because they envisioned numerous sequels. Which may not happen now considering the movie did only so so at the box office.

They really should have just centered on Durotan and Draka. Why did their home collapse? The building of the gate. Guldan being scary, etc. etc. The ending of the film should have been everyone traveling through the gate with their reaction to the new world. A world that is still alive.

Second film could have then given more time to Medivh, Khadgard and the rest.

But they pushed it all at once because...well...you never know.

[–] Leklor 8 years ago

They really should have just centered on Durotan and Draka. Why did their home collapse? The building of the gate. Guldan being scary, etc. etc. The ending of the film should have been everyone traveling through the gate with their reaction to the new world. A world that is still alive.

That's the tie-in novel "Warcraft: Durotan", it basically answers your questions ^^

Second film could have then given more time to Medivh, Khadgard and the rest.

The "Bonds of Brotherhood" comic, minus Khadgar.

Now, I'm not defending the film, it's my firm belief that this should have been envisionned as trilogy comprised of the following parts: A movie based on the story of the Durotan book, a movie based on Bonds of Brotherhood and finally the current movie.

I don't like it when films are so brutally cut and edited into oblivion like Warcraft that these tie-ins become necessary to understand the story. It shouldn't be like that.

You don't need to read the "Star Wars: Bloodlines" book to understand Force Awakens, it gives you additional fluff but it's not essential. That's how it should have been.

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[–] Leklor 8 years ago

The implication is actually that Medivh's lover was an Orc. The only two other races on Azeroth that are compatible with Humans are Dwarves and Elves and there hasn't been a war between these races in recent years, at least not recent enough for Medivh to have lost someone then.
It's basically a half-veiled admission that Garona is his daughter in this continuity, and making sure their love story from the Comics and thus their son Med'an (One of the worst Warcraft character ever) won't happen.

[–] DBLurker 8 years ago

From his dying words, you can tell he dabbled in Fel to protect his people. Except, it backfired and corrupted him over time.

It's classic case of someone trying to gain more power to protect his people. He was supposed to be a "guardian" of them all, so it makes sense for him.

[–] sameaka-1 8 years ago

Indeed. I was sympathetic in the end.
However lore-wise, Sargeras corrupted him before he was even born, so he really didn't stand a chance.

[–] rogueleader-43058 8 years ago

Liked the movie, but can someone tell me who the baby will become some day. I figure he is very important.

[–] fxmhaast 8 years ago

Thrall (the warchief who leads his ppl to kalimdor to build a new home)