sex scene with billy zero?!


why did he push her out of the car?! what a jerk i thought that he was actually just going to put his arm around her and cuddle (but thats because i always want certain people in movies to end up together -_- dont mind me im a weirdo and 6min till class ends so.... yeah) and not open the door instead and push her out. i know this question has already been asked but i want more info from all of you movie buffs out there kk thanks and once again sorry for being really random and weird

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Yes. This movie was a struggle for me to watch (still is). When Billy threw her out of the car like that, my stomach just droppd into nauseum. How awful for Tracey, and what a bastard Billy Z is, that disgusting good-for-NOTHING *beep* Billy. My heart just breaks for Tracey, and youth just like her roaming the school halls every day, living with such a twisted *beep* parents :(. They are bastards too. LOVE SONNY, even though his only lines were "woof".

If it helps your question though, this movie was so powerful for me, that I'm watching it with my teenaged daughter now. Not only is the film artistically unique, but the message it sends, the emotion I feel for this young girl who could've used SO much better, and more, from her surroundings .... my God, POWERFUL. I don't think there is one moment in this film where she is not surrounded by some son-of-a-b*tch ready to take advantage of her, insult her, humiliate her. Except for Sonny... I was really rooting for her to find Sonny, God was I ever.

No doubt we WILL be seeing Page accept a major award in the very near future. Page is an amazing piece of work, VERY believable. It's been a long time since I've recognized ANY movie as being "art form", because I can't stand the Hollywood shallowness and the holier-than-though epidemic on the red carpet. That's just me personally. Page made film an "art" again, as did the editors of the film who created it. Very "Requim for a Dream-ish" IMO.

Hope that helps some, at least from this one perspective.

Edited to add - It's also worth a mention that all this time she'd romanticized about Billy in her fantasy world. He was her super-hero lover, and I suppose if I had her life, I'd be fantasicing about something better too. Here's this "new boy" just as strange as she, so in her mind they understood one another, even though she'd not spoken a word to him until that cold day by the bridge. In her mind, he would love her whole-heartedly back. For this bastard to overwhelm her with a quick screw in his car (rape?) that lasted no longer than a few seconds? I really let it sink in how awful this must have been for her to be exposed to something so crude and crass, in the process losing her virginity in such a God-awful way and losing her kid brother as a result too. He lit his stupid "I'm such a bad ass" smoke, leaned over (which I also though he would at least kiss or her or something!) only to throw her out, her jeans still down, out of that POS car and on to the cold dirt road, that son-of-a-b*tch. Billy acted like she was an untouchable when it was all over, even though he was QUICK to get laid! Oh God, one can only pray that this film was in no way inspired by a true story of the writers. Just breaks my heart what this kid "Tracey" has gone through, and how damned realistic she portrayed this character too. Moving and dark film - just sinks my heart and brought me to tears once the movie was over and I let it all sink in : (((. She deserved better :((( . Makes me wish, as a mom, I could take this kid in (and all kids like her) and give her a better life. Sigh. If you are in to dark, emotionally disturbing and metaphorically enhanced films, this IS top ten for sure, and I'm usually the cynic. I've never seen anything like it.

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Ahhhh! I love you. Wow that was creepy. Sorry about that, it's just that it's nice to have someone on imdb who actually knows proper english and has an extensive vocab(excuse my bad spelling but im still in high school, yeah still no excuse for that). Thank god you actually have a brain. Anywho... I wonder what Billy Z was going to say to Tracey at the end when she was walking through(what I think was the park) and she was wrapped in that flower curtian and the guy who plays J.T. on Degrassi was like "hey look it's it" and Billy (who I think had an alcohol bottle in his hand) said " hey Tracey, um..." but she walked away (which I thought was priceless but I was kind of p.o.d about it cuz I wanted to here what he had to say). Honestly how do you explain something like that "Hey im sorry for screwing you for 4 seconds and then pushing you out of my car with your pants half down". Plus he probaly was drunk so it would have been a half assed apology, anway... this is a long reply and I don't even think it makes sense. I don't have time to check so sorry if it doesn't but im on a deadline for a summer school project and the girl next to me is really nosey. Is it ok if I add you as a friend? You don't have to accept it if you want. Omg (ok wow never again) I sound like a stalker. Im not that wierd I promise. Lmao I never realized how creepy and random I am.

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It would only be rape is she said No. At no point does she say no or express a desire to make it stop. She expresses hesitance at getting in the car, but that's a horse of another color.

It makes sense that she would be surrounded by people all looking to take advantage of her - people with borderline personality disorder tend to also have major persecution complexes. If we're expected to watch this entire movie and to like it just because it's artsy, then I don't think it's that huge of a stretch to think that half of the film was in her head.

She couldn't stay with her parents because they're indifferent towards her.
She couldn't stay at school because they taunt and tease her and chase her away.
She can't have a meaningful relationship with Billy Zero because he pushes her away even as she idolizes him.
She does something nice for a stranger (the woman on the bus) and loses her place on the bus and all her money.
She likes Lance, but he kills the crow.
She wants to stay with Lance, but is almost raped when he gets beaten.
She wants to go home, but her mother hangs up on her.

It's just such a dismal story. The only excuse for the story is either bad writing or mental illness.

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What she said.

Ellen Page is so Hot , and I'd hit that harder than she was hit in An American Crime.

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high school defloweration. when is it ever good?

he pushed her out because he was an a$$hole. but i also suspected a gay twist. seems like something happened mid-sex to make the whole thing stop...but i may be projecting.

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"omg" that was sooo funny.

I seriously laughed at it...the movie needed the bit of humor :)

((it was however a douchebag move BUT there are tons of guys like that out there))

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You really think that was the worst thing that happened to her?

Billy was a jerk. It would make no sense for him to like her all of a sudden just because she liked him.

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It's not a sex scene, she's raped, Please watch the movie again.
At the start of the movie when she talks about how it hurts inside, and every kiss burns, and she even said no but he didn't listen. at a few times youll hear in the back ground "i said no"

The point of the movie is it's her sorting through her head after two traumatic events become one. She raped WHILE her brother falls into the water and dies. That's what the story isn't in order, it's jumbled, and she's slightly insane at times. Making things up, that clearly aren't real, she's coping or trying.

I promise if you watch the movie again and pay attention you'll see it's abotu rape and the loss of her brother. All the scenes in it are her imagination or memory, so theres no real what to know EXACTLY what's completely real sometimes memory plays a tricks on you when under huge stress.



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There was no rape. At least not by Billy (the fat bookie who beats Lance is another story).

Billy opened the car door for her. She got in. When they start kissing, Tracey herself begins removing her clothes. Completely consentual.

The tricky thing about this scene is the disjointed narrative structure. In the first few scenes after we learn that Sonny has gone missing on Tracey's watch, she introduces Billy as her 'boyfriend'. It's hard to determine if she started idolizing Billy (heh, Billy Idol) before the sex or after.

Before: makes sense because Billy was the one unknown factor at school, the one person who didn't treat her as 'It'. He was the new. The promise of a better tomorrow for even a loser like Tracey.

After: makes sense because practically everything Tracey does after Sonny goes missing is blame everybody BUT herself for his death/kidnapping/whatever. After Billy steals her virginity, she has to make it seem like something much more special than the actual harsh, ugly reality of sex. Billy becomes the symbol of love that Tracey has always desperately needed. So much so that the necklace the Sonny gave her on her birthday now becomes the 'millions of carats' necklace that Billy gives her as a symbol of their eternal love.

That eternal love is probably the only thing that can distract her from knowing that her virginity loss also led to her sibling loss. Even if it was a bad experience, she can't resolve the fact that she did something selfish and caused pain to her entire family as a result. That would make her just as bad as her parents.


HEY BABY LOOK AT MY EYES. I LOVE YA BUT I HATE YOUR LIES.

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