They are idiots


They are idiots

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What is this they you speak of?

I think the voice in my head is a psycho.

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i speak to all the idiots who reject science over religon

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Wow Cobaltduck, don't you think you're being a bit ignorant here?

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ignorant how.. What specifically are you talking about

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Sure you're right to suggest that everyone who rejects science over religion is an idiot.. but intelligent designers believe they ARE scientific... the point is to demonstrate their pseudo-science. Idiots? Maybe. Misguided? Definitely.

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Idiots are people who are easily taken-in by innanity. Many people in general are idiots as such. There is probably a different word for people who reject science for political purposes.

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There is this wonderful loophole in science classrooms. Things must be testable. You must be able to experiment on hypotheses and theories, and they are/can be based on the experiments.

Why is ID/creation rejected in the classroom? Is it because you mention "God" and suddenly it's a religion and that cannot be allowed in the classroom? Good heavens, no. If God could be experimented on, theorized about, and demonstrated without a shadow of a doubt does the same things every time, He/She/It/Whatever supreme being you can get to expose itself would be accepted. (amendment: SHOULD be. Would be might be a different story) If religion could be demonstrated to work a certain way every time and always connect with the almighty, it should be considered a scientific endeavor. So, again I ask, WHY is ID/creation rejected? Back to the loophole.

"Creation" is something that purportedly happened once (and the IDer, someone who is), but cannot be duplicated in experiments. Insisting that something cannot be testable is no reason to say it did not happen. It's like trying to test who shot Abraham Lincoln. It's history. There are other ways at getting evidence for historical issues, and yes, there are scientific ways of doing so. Pointing out that certain evidence doesn't necessarily lead to the conclusion that "evolution did it" merely means that said conclusion wasn't scientific. It doesn't mean that I am suddenly playing the "God wildcard" if I question (and maybe even experiment) whether something could have been accomplished by natural processes.

I think at best, ID proponents have not yet found a scientific way to describe the tenets of ID. If they have, yes, the implications are that there is a god and we are accountable to it. If they have and they are being silenced, as Ben Stein's movie "Expelled" is saying, then indeed, the evolutionary community really is acting shamefully in censoring science, and not religion. IF.

Now, there are some experiments that demonstrate that a flood could have
1) laid down the many layers of rock that we see in places like the grand canyon,
2) carved through those layers of rock (when they were still soft), again, in places like the grand canyon.

Now, that's not saying it did, but you cannot demonstrate millions of years in experiments. You can demonstrate 9 hours of carving a small canyon (as happened about near Mount St. Helens about two years after it blew its top), or 15 minutes in a sufficiently large laboratory experiment. "Millions of years" is an educated guess at best, and really should be considered to be no better off than ID's inability to experimentally demonstrate its tenets. Don't give me Carbon 14 information. C-14 dating is known to be inaccurate beyond a few thousand years, and useless into tens of thousands.

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http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/roger_wiens_radiometric_dating.pdf

Read this - it is written by a Christian who is also a geologist. Radiometric dating is a very valid and proven technique. You mention carbon 14 - this barely scratches the surface of how they actually date things.

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IDiots

common sense was created by God to test your faith

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Are you suggesting that because most canyons look similar that somehow is proof? Carbon dating can be very effective if used properly, but even beyond that, science has a few nore tricks up its sleeve.

So much of this debate comes down to who you decide to trust. I am certainly not an expert in a great many fields. So I need to make decisions on how to pick out the valid information that exists so as to assess the situation in a practical sense. Very often people have no respect for peer reviewed sciences that achieve consensus opinion among experts in that particular field, opting instead for peripheral individual scientists who have singular invalidated ideas that gather a slim cult following. I don't see how that can be a good way to find out anything on a regular basis, to include the age of the Grand Canyon.

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