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Why the h+ll was this series cancelled?


Great story, great acting (certainly by the youngsters ), great camerawork, good production value, good writing. Just finished episode 8, and I totally love it.

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And great score.

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I wonder the same thing. Im pretty bummed they canceled it.

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Not sure, but it seems like they went rather out of their way to cancel it.

Jake Meridius Conhale, at your service!
"Old Man" of the BSG (RDM) boards.

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They did...poor airtime and they burned through the final episodes without much fanfare, alerting fans they should tune in.

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It was a bad show that few people watched. No big mystery why it was cancelled.

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too expensive to produce, not enough syndication pickups internationally.

comes down to excel and the numbers. didn't make them.

shame, great show really had potential to move sci fi on tv forward after bsg did so much.

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I personally felt that there were too many differences from BSG, I understand they were trying to do something different, but when it's a prequel certain things should line up, or maybe have a similar feel at least. I also felt that the show took too long, the little flash forward at the end of the last episode showed everything I had been waiting for, but everything in the series didn't connect, so I think they waited too long to move things forward and lost fans. When you're doing a prequel to a much loved show you should give your fans little puzzles to weave together between the 2 shows to keep them connecting the dots. It almost seems as if they had an idea for another show, but the network wanted more BSG so they tried combining them, I think if they would have done this as an entirely different show viewers would have been more responsive, who knows they could have kept the BSG connection a secret and let the fans figure it out that it was a prequel, that could have been a cool surprise ...

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When you're doing a prequel to a much loved show you should give your fans little puzzles to weave together between the 2 shows to keep them connecting the dots


That's what I mean. This series was a great opportunity to do that. Though it was canceled too prematurely to exploit the potential.
IMO the writing was good, the acting was good, the production value was good.
But unfortunately, it always seems to be about the money, and about making a few dollars more in a short-term.

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I agree it was a good show, great production, acting etc. I just feel that they wasted time by not connecting the shows earlier, it was advertised as a prequel but they left a lot of the subplots that tied the shows together until the last minute, literally. That little flash forward to the things that would have happened felt a little petty to me, almost like they were saying 'thanks for watching, here's a taste of what would have happened had more people bothered watching the show!" it seemed petty, but at the same time gave a little closure, I don't know I have mixed feelings about it... I think they marketed the show wrong, it was heavily marketed as a prequel, but should have had a more generalized appeal, since the show felt nothing like BSG. I think their marketing excluded non BSG fans right away, maybe they could have survived longer on a more diverse fan base than just BSG fans who then tuned out when they found out the show was so different. Caprica had more of a video gamer universe feel, they lost the realness that BSG had, and over did the computerized special affects, there were very few scenes that weren't obviously CG. Heck even their new show Defiance has less CG than Caprica, I love all the makeup and scenery work they've done on Defiance.

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I completely understand your point, and I agree. I wish I could spare more time for debating this - since English is not my native language, it takes some time to write decent sentences :) Thanks for sharing your opinion.

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It almost seems as if they had an idea for another show, but the network wanted more BSG so they tried combining them, I think if they would have done this as an entirely different show viewers would have been more responsive, who knows they could have kept the BSG connection a secret and let the fans figure it out that it was a prequel, that could have been a cool surprise ...

If Joseph Adams had been using that name for awhile, and suddenly switched to his family name of Adama, that would be a big reveal, and people would realize that Willy Adams is really Bill Adama (or, his dead older brother as it turns out). No BSG fan would clue in on Greystone's name, either.

HOWEVER, the name of Caprica City, or the planet, or any other planet, or the Cylon prototype, would be a dead giveaway that this was a BSG prequel. You couldn't have the current show without giving away so much information that it would be a surprise. I agree it would be cool if they found a way to pull it off. Either that, or make it not clear that Caprica (see, even the title of the show makes it obvious) was set in the past or the future with regard to BSG... hmmm... that would be something to keep the fanbase guessing. Is this Adama an ancestor or a descendant of Bill Adama?

Now, what would really be cool is if Helix (2014) turned out to be a lead-in to BSG. That would salvage my respect for that show and Ron Moore if it was.

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How can Helix be a lead-in to BSG when the events that occurred in BSG happened 150,000 years before the 21st century on Earth?

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How can Helix be a lead-in to BSG when the events that occurred in BSG happened 150,000 years before the 21st century on Earth?

1. As badly as Helix was written, it wouldn't be much of a stretch.
2. Ghost Baltar and Ghost Caprica Six were shown in 21st Century Earth. They could drop in on the Helix crew to see how the virus is working to build new, better clones to change the cycle of events.
3. There is no 3.
4. I was just giving an example of how a show could surprise you. That WOULD be a surprise, and no one would have seen it coming.
5. I think every example of prequels in sci-fi have failed: ST: Enterprise, The Star Wars Prequels, Caprica. The trouble with sci-fi shows that happen before another show is that sci-fi fans pay attention to all the little details, and if you betray those established details it makes the show fall apart for any fan of the original show.

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The SW prequels may have been a creative failure but they certainly weren't a commercial failure. Caprica was the total opposite.

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nahara7 wrote:

It almost seems as if they had an idea for another show, but the network wanted more BSG so they tried combining them, I think if they would have done this as an entirely different show viewers would have been more responsive, who knows they could have kept the BSG connection a secret and let the fans figure it out that it was a prequel, that could have been a cool surprise ...


That is not too far from what happened. Before it was Caprica, this was to be a futuristic show about AI as pitched by Remi Aubuchon. However, this idea was reshaped into a BSG prequel.

From http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Remi_Aubuchon:

According to an interview with IFmagazine, David Eick said that they had been contemplating a spinoff prequel series since Season 2 began and were tossing around ideas. About the same time, 24 writer Remi Aubuchon pitched a series that had a lot of similarities to the Cylon storyline. Realizing that they could not devote their full time to both Battlestar Galactica and a spinoff, Moore and Eick decided to merge with Auchubon, seeing it as an opportunity: "We took some of what we had and some of what he had ".

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Cool thanks for the info, that was what I was thinking had happened but have never heard that story before. I feel merging the 2 stories was a good idea, but went off track, if making a prequel they should have stayed in the BSG look and feel of the show, I had a hard time connecting it to BSG and I think that other viewers felt the same and ratings suffered because of it.

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It almost seems as if they had an idea for another show, but the network wanted more BSG so they tried combining them


that would be another RDM show, Virtuality.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1219836/reference

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Yeah, Virtuality was cancelled even before the pilot was aired. It's notable for starring the actor who plays Jamie Lannister on Game of Thrones.

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Yes, it's a shame, but I think it started out a bit slow, the pacing only picks up after episode 8 or so, and some of the initial storylines are a bit boring (i.e. Amanda seeing stuff, etc). Also this show is very different from BSG, so it probably didn't get a lot of support from the BSG fans (basically the same problem with SGU, they want a different theme but the fans just don't buy it).

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problem with SGU was mostly that all of the original fans had grown up by now, and SGU was just more hackneyed acting and storylines (as in Atlantis).. You can't inherit fans if you wait too long. Not sure the same thing applies to Caprica though, I found the first season pretty good, even if it was slower.

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problem with SGU was mostly that all of the original fans had grown up by now


LOL !

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I loved Caprica and in some ways felt it was more interesting than BSG. I recommended it to a few people but they couldn't get into it.

I suspect the cultural/religious themes were not popular among the huge amount of conservatives/Christians in the US.

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I'm very conservative and I count this among the best shows ever made. I don't appreciate the judgmental tone of that statement.

BTW, the people you recommended it to might not have the patience to appreciate a truly character driven story (which is what Caprica is IMO,) and good stories like that always take a while to develop.

"I do not like mixing up moralities and mathematics."
Churchill

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I suspect the cultural/religious themes were not popular among the huge amount of conservatives/Christians in the US.

It appears you are grossly misinformed. It is the left who have such an aversion to expressions of faith. What conservatives have a problem with is the left mocking and insulting our religious institutions. After all, it was Democrats who booed the mention of God (three times - how prophetic) at their national convention. It is Democrats who are trying to force religious institutions and private companies to violate their religious tenets and subsidize abortion and abortifacients. It is the left who is trying to drive all public expressions of faith from the public square. You owe it to yourself to educate yourself a bit more on the subject.

Anyway, although there are some religious people who are so out of whack they think Harry Potter is demonic, they are very, very few in number. I doubt they would have cable television in the first place. I don't think the religion of the BSG universe (which was talked about in the original series a bit as well) kept people from watching it. I, for one, find it interesting when a writer makes the attempt to invent a religion and objectively portray the application of that religion in daily life. I think this is one aspect where Ron Moore & company did a really good job. Sister Clarice lived in a multiple marriage (several fathers and mothers), it was addressed in one line and moved on. The conflict between the Soldiers of the One and the established Gods was well portrayed as well. Incidentally, it was pretty obvious that the SO (sp?) were following the one true God, which would be the same God Christians follow, if you believe that God created life on every planet in the Universe.

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The left mocks the hypocrisy and self-pity of people who use claims about religion to excuse tyranny.

Marlon, Claudia and Dimby the cats 1989-2005, 2007 and 2010.

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The left mocks the hypocrisy and self-pity of people who use claims about religion to excuse tyranny.

What is your definition of tyranny, Squeeth? What hypocrisy? Examples, please.

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Oh how I love the chance to respond to you after Obergfell!

So someone who doesn't morally approve of gay weddings is oppressing you and your fellow believers? 35 thousand dollar fine. Yes, we people who believe in no state sponsored religion are totally holding you down.

We'd rather not participate = shutting our business down. Oh wait, you believe in equality, right?

We are all for tolerance of others and their beliefs! My ass, you hypocrite

I didn't dignify my last sentence with punctuation. Just like you don't dignify half of the US citizens. Thanks for proving all of my gay friends points.

Bigots like you will never rest until believers in free speech are silenced at the end of a barrel.

"I do not like mixing up moralities and mathematics."
Churchill

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It is the left who is trying to drive all public expressions of faith from the public square. You owe it to yourself to educate yourself a bit more on the subject.


He doesn't mention how Barack Obama invited megachurch pastor Rick Warren to speak at his inauguration.

Take CigarDoug's post/criticisms with a grain of salt. It's a much more nuanced situation than he's presenting. Things can seem very black and white to conservatives, but reality is not always so neat.

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Because SyFy sucks.

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yep, syfy and fox should get a room.

the 2000s was the decade of impotent nerd rage.
you've got the atrocious star wars prequels, cancellations of firefly and caprica after one season, and for many, the Star Trek jj abrams remake (which I liked, anyway).

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Because they went with the Greek Gods instead of the harder Northern Gods.

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lol.

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