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Wanted to like this...


... my friend told me it was great and that I would love it. "This movie is right up your alley," he said.

No, it wasn't. Here's why. And anyone else out there that appreciates the proper tone of a good hitman movie will agree...

A hit man messes up a hit because he's drunk and then instead of actually going to finish the job, he's made to go to rehab. Say Wha? Okay, that might make sense if they weren't going to lose their business because of his mess-up. But his bosses/family were going to lose their business if he didn't kill his target. Ummmm.... Yet they still want him in rehab, or not rehab, they want to send him to Toronto to go to AA meetings and work in a funeral home? C'mon. -- How bout this, "Hey Ghandi, go to New York first, kill the guy, then go to rehab or we'll kill you." That's probably the more rational approach, but then again, if these people were rational you wouldn't have a campy movie about a dumb-drunk hitman.

When a hitman stands in a crowded room and tells people he's a killer, especially in a big group, and nobody goes to the cops? Okay, that's where I totally lost hope for this. He's telling everyone he's a killer. Nobody does anything. He's a drunk. WAH WAH WAH!!! Ben Kinglsey took a dive in my book. And probably didn't get paid squat for this.

Luke Wilson's character is useless... there's no point to him other than to serve up opportunities for Kingsley to ramble out exposition.

I hated this thing. It's amazing people loved it, but I guess that's why there's Shrek 3, Pirates 3, and Spiderman 3 all out at the same time. People have been trained to consume garbage and like it.

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Toronto?

Funny, I've lived in Toronto my whole life, and I'm pretty sure the Golden Gate Bridge isn't here.

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Most of the film was shot in Winnipeg, I guarantee that.

Amateurs never stop dreaming; Professionals never stop learning.

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I was very intrigued by your Subject line ... because I wanted to like this movie too. And like you came away very disappointed.

I wasn't really sure why at first.

I mean, I really like Tea Leoni and thought her acting in this movie was very good. I very much like Ben Kingsley and thought his acting in this movie was good. And I think his work in Sexy Beast was absolutely superb. A local review gave this movie high marks and said we would see something of the Kingsley of Sexy Beast in this. I think there's something to that; but that's it. The advertisement I've been seeing sort of alludes to Kill Bill, wich I liked very much. The theme sort of makes me think, as it has others on this thread, of The Whole Nine Yards, which I liked very much. I was told that this movie would be full of dark humor, which I ordinarily like very much. I saw Mr Brooks a day or so after it opened, liked it very much, and thought its dark humor mordant and funny and deadly throughout.

Yet I found myself sitting in this movie and hoping something would appeal to me and really, nothing ever did. There were some moments I liked and some laughs I liked. But on the whole the hitman-with-a-drinking-problem motif, good for a laugh or two, wore out pretty quickly for me. Some of the humor (e.g. -- watch out for very minor spoiler here --) Frank taking a nap on a gurney looking like a stiff in the funeral home - is such an old and overused piece of humor that I actually sort of winced when I saw it. And after the 9th or so "funny look" of someone at AA hearing Frank talk about how much his drinking had affected his work as a hitman, I was getting downright bored. Those looks were funny once or twice or maybe three times. But again and again and again ... please. It's time to move on.

Having said all this, I'll admit that some of my own disappointment is because my expectations were so high. I mean, it's just not a bit fair to go into a movie hoping it would give you something that's as good as Kill Bill or Sexy Beast or Mr Brooks or even The Whole Nine Yards.

All the same, i came away feeling ... yes, on the whole, Bored. And that really surprised me very much. I'm one guy that really doesn't get Bored at movies very easily. I really don't. But this one actually Bored me. And that, to me, as a guy who goes to movies looking for many things - mostly Entertainment, sometimes Education, sometimes Enlightenment, sometimes Escape, sometimes just to See Something Funny - that one thing, Boredom, is just plain fatal in a movie for me.

Oh well. I'm speaking only for myself of course. And I do respect enormously the varying tastes of all.

I very sincerely honor anyone who liked this movie. And very sincerely honor as well anyone who, like me, did not.

All good wishes to all,

Charles Delacroix

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I very much agree about the premise, and the nice moments. You might be right about the pace; I definitely think you're right about the soundtrack: if there was one, it was as memorable for me as for you evidently.

One thing a good soundtrack can do is help unify a movie that otherwise feels disjointed. Maybe that's it. I did like the premise but am not sure if that's enough of a unifier ... maybe this needed some other elements to help one feel that this was a movie rather than a sort of series of skits.

Charles Delacroix

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****SPOILER*****

the premise that women fall in love with a man who is "flawed" but seeking "redemption" is a bit overdone.....I also had trouble with Tea enthusiastically getting into the knife and gun business.

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I guess I was willing to suspend my disbelief long enough to enjoy it as an interesting flick that I thought was well-made and very well-acted. It didn't take me long to realize that I wasn't expected to take it as an example of realism. I mean, I wasn't expecting Goodfellas.

Now then. I haven't seen Shrek 3, Pirates 3 or Spiderman 3. Thanks for the recommendations, but I think I'll pass on those.

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The last 25 minutes or so were a mess. The movie was slow but I am OK with that as long as it is building to some sort of interesting conclusion. That didn't happen here. 2 quick scenes occurred back to back that ruined it for me.

1. Tea Leoni appearing at the door of the house with a full ski mask on for no reason other than to create a situation where the guy inside thought she might be a hit man. It was an unneeded scene that was obviously set up to create a cheap moment of tension.

2. A sniper in a car aiming at Kingsley's character through a window at the AA meeting. He gets a perfect opportunity at a clear shot but fails because his rifle was not loaded. NOBODY takes a bead on a target with an unloaded gun, particularly somebody in the killing business.

The idiotic "happy ending" was not believable in any way. The actors were good enough to stick with it up until then although they didn't have much to work with. Most of the dialog was forgettable.

I also never believed the attraction Leoni had for Kingsley either. They meet at a funeral, have a short inconsequential conversation, and for no reason she accepts an invitation to go out with him. He then confesses he is an alcoholic and a killer and she is totally unfazed by this.

He falls off the wagon and stands her up and again she takes him back. The story never provides a compelling reason for them to be in love at all much less her reason to overlook the killer's obvious shortcomings. I understand it is a dark comedy but c'mon. This is not the first time I have seen Kingsley cast in a role where he is somehow totally irresistible to a young pretty woman. I don't buy it.

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The entire movie was a slow-paced melancholic dark-humored mess telling a story about aged, downtrodden and down-on-their luck individuals, their lives locked in loops, their hopes and dreams - almost completely extinguished. Which is why I liked it. I caught it by chance, since I very rarely watch television anymore, having been up until the wee hours of the morning. I was browsing through the channels and caught glimpse of that familiar beard, and realized it was Ben Kingsley. A smile crept over my face and I readied myself for something interesting or fun. I could honestly watch Ben in anything.

1. We all knew it was Tea. That didn't make it cheap. Was it really unneeded? Until that scene, I didn't realize I cared about her character. That scene makes you realize you don't want her to perish. You want her clingy self to be with Frank the automaton loser.

2. The sniper wasn't about to snipe Frank in broad daylight in front of everybody, from a car, through a window, without a silencer on the damn thing (and it would've still made a lot of noise, enough perhaps to burst his eardrums), without an accomplice driving the car for a quick getaway. He'd have to shoot, hope to hit him through the window pane (which could've obstructed the trajectory significantly), hope not to burst his eardrums (try shooting from inside a car), and then he'd have to lose a minute to get behind the wheel and drive off. When Frank came close to the window, that was his one shot to risk it. But he hesitated, Frank lucked out via the plot shield.

The 'idiotic' happy ending was not supposed to be believable, it was merely supposed to be... well, happy. It felt good. Keep in mind, this was a dark comedy about redemption, love and finding your way. And I hate 'Goodfellas'.

As for Leoni's attraction to Kingley's character... well I guess you've never been that desperate and you've never felt so low, rock-bottom. You've never felt old and forgotten. You've never lost hope completely.
Don't worry, it will come with age.
She took what she could get. She was brave and lost enough. And I honestly can't remember seeing Leoni fazed in any of her roles... maybe she can't do that emotion properly. Which is what made her a great cast for this role.

They fall in love because they have nothing else in the whole world. They can't even rely on themselves to stay afloat. They fall in love because they are human.

You're young, you don't get it.

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Pretty much agree with this. In the end it was funny enough to sustain itself as a dark comedy. If it were humorous id have been happy to overlook the ridiculous plot and total lack of spark/ believability in the relationship

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I didn't have a problem with Tea falling for Frank, despite all his shortcomings. After all, this is San Francisco. Real estate agents may think they're God in that town, but in reality, any STRAIGHT single man is God. The pickings are so slim, he's probably the best chance she's got.

That's probably why the story was set in San Fran in the first place, to make the attraction more believable!

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