New Spock sucks.


Perhaps because Nimoy set the bar too high and was without the makeup (which is minimal) so odd/alien looking and sounding.

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It's like a lot of other things in this movie. They don't get the whole point of the original character. Spock may as well just be another dude.

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The Nimoy Spock was just plain cool. The movie Spock is an obnoxious, conceited, psuedo-intellectual hall monitor in a Halloween costume.

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True, Quinto has got it all wrong.

Underneath the original Spock's cool exterior were endless depths of benevolence and wisdom, all there seems to be in Quinto Spock's depths is anger.

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Don't blame the actor, the conception and writing for this dog is to blame. These people don't have a clue about Star Trek, but also just plain story telling or creating characters that anyone would be interested in.

Though, I have to say, in the first minutes of the show Kirk's father is the best character, the only decent character and that was the only realistic part. Making Kirk a juvenile delinquent is annoying, not to mention how he goes from one to the savior of the universe ... revolting.

Just about any other take on Star Trek would have been preferable, but this, and also the new discovery show have been terrible. The other series and movies have not in my opinion been very good either.

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I respectfully disagree, I think the actor was just as much to blame for getting Spock wrong as the boneheaded writers.

Contrast the pinched, mean Quinto Spock with the Bhodavista-like mellowness of the Nimoy Spock in the SAME film after both had suffered the SAME tragedy...

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Contrast the pinched, mean Quinto Spock with the Bhodavista-like mellowness of the Nimoy Spock in the SAME film after both had suffered the SAME tragedy...


Except they did not suffer the SAME tragedy. Quinto's Spock suffered the loss of his home planet while Nimoy's Spock new that his home planet was still intact.

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PRIME Vulcan was still intact. But Nimoy's Spock was in the alternate timeline, and he just watched Vulcan be destroyed. More to the point, he's still trying to come to terms with the fact that he went back in time 100 years, and it's unclear if he knows how to get back to his own time (or if it's even possible).

It doesn't matter if, intellectually, you know that your home is still there if you can't ever return to it.

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It doesn't matter if, intellectually, you know that your home is still there if you can't ever return to it.

Actually it does because you know the people that you knew on that planet, the people that you interacted with were still alive. The subject of the discussion was how both Spocks would react to the Vulcan in the alternate timeline being destroyed.

Now, Nimoy's Spock might feel sad that he can not get home it is not the same as seeing your home planet being destroyed, killing billions of people.

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No, Spock 1.0 was not secure in the knowledge he knew was safe in another timeline, he knew he was stuck in a timeline where Vulcan had been destroyed and everyone he knew in his youth was dead, and that if he didn't die on the iceball where he was stuck or as a playthings of the Romulans, he was going to have to live in a universe where there was no planet Vulcan... just some traumatized offworld survivors who were going to have to set up a new society in exile.

And yet, what he ends up talking about is his deep and abiding love for his old friend Jim Kirk, someone who he'd outlived for a century or two by then. Both Quinto and the writers seem to have missed that Spock is, deep under all his layers of self-protection and logic, someone who does not let hatred and brutality drive the love out of his heart.

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What you seem to miss is that while Spock is "deep under all his layers of self-protection and logic, someone who does not let hatred and brutality drive the love out of his heart.". This is only true because of the influence on his life of Jim Kirk, Leonard McCoy and the "century or two" of living among humans.

Quinto's Spock has not lived that life yet and as this is a different timeline he might not.

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"This is only true because of the influence on his life of Jim Kirk, Leonard McCoy and the "century or two" of living among humans."

I disagree with that. Humans are not naturally inclined to react to violence with benevolence, to put it politely. Nobody's going to become a benevolent being by learning it from the average human, or even Jim Kirk.

IMHO Mr. Spock is who he is because of what he learned from the Vulcans, what he learned from the humans, the personality he was born with, and because of what he learned and what he did as he went along. Yes, I appreciate that the makers of the movie wanted a Spock who was darker and less 1960s, but I don't think they succeeded.

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Deep Space Nine is awesome and Enterprise and Voyager though both not as well liked in the beginning have actually gained followers over the years. Many fans who didn't give them a chance have and now like them.

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I thought he did a great job. Yeah, those casting directors sure know what the Fuk they're doing.

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Otter above stole my thunder: Quinto Spock is full of anger but not much else. I don't see any deep contemplative thoughts going on in his head.

But yes, Nimoy was ridiculously well suited for Spock. His sharp angular features almost look a bit alien. Whereas a lot of Vulcans are portrayed by actors who only look like humans with ridiculous ears, Nimoy's prosthetic ears fit his facial features perfectly.

Besides looks, Nimoy was also ridiculously good as Spock. Kirk was the hero but everyone *loved* Spock.

I often say on this site that casting of some parts are genius and other roles could be played by any reliable actor, but Star Trek would not be the juggernaut that achieved world wide iconic status had Nimoy not been cast in that role.


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