Hollywood Remake


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According to Variety, Hong Kong's Media Asia "has set up a remake of 'Exiled' with Samuel Hadida ('Silent Hill,' 'Domino') aboard to produce." As a follow-up to his The Mission, Exiled tells that Two Hong Kong killers arrives to take out an exiled member of theirs and find out two other ex-colleges are trying to stop them by all mean. Even though the time is set in 1998 and the location is Macao, Exiled actually shows how many Hong Konger's mixed feeling about the end of British rule in Hong Kong. Exiled, not the remake, has been picked up by Magnolia Pictures in America. Martin Scorsese's The Departed is actually a remake of Media Asia's Infernal Affairs and Warner Bros. has paid to remake the studio's another title, Confession of Pain, with The Departed writer William Monahan and Leonardo DiCarpio attached.

Now hollywood are starting to freaking annoy me now.
How many more freaking movies from asia they going to remake. *beep* Hollywood.

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I believe that after the success of The Departed, there will be more HK movies to be remade.

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"Success" as in sales numbers right? Because success as a movie, The Departed sucked cock and balls. It was convoluted with excess swearing and the retards tried way too hard to be cool. And the story was sloppy and it was just...bleh, crap! Now Infernal Affairs, the story was gripping, the acting was excellent, and it grabbed you by the nuts and squeezed tight so that when something happens to the characters in the movie whether good or bad, you actually cared, and you got choked up. Hollywood lost its touch for the most part, just a shame it has to resort to remakes that come out like a turd. And now what? Remaking a GREAT movie like Confession of Pain or Exiled? They better do the originals justice this time....And before you start running your mouth, I'm not asian ;)

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I liked Infernal Affairs but the Departed was a better movie.Infernal Affairs had several flaws.Like most HK films the workings of a Police Dept are not at all realistic.The characters are poorly developed.And it was too sentimental.It's a cliche of Asian films that when someone dies a character has flashbacks of happier times.Also remember that HK ripped off films from other countries for years without even buying the rites.Black Cat for example-a rip off of La Femme Nikita.Don't get me wrong.I'm not big on remakes-most of which are bad.But often the originals are not very good either-esp in the case of Japanese horror films.Dark Water, The Grudge, etc were pretty lousy in the originals.

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Also remember that HK ripped off films from other countries for years without even buying the rites.Black Cat for example-a rip off of La Femme Nikita.


Black Cat is one of the few in support of your arguement, because it no doubt closely copied the French original, otherwise I cannot remember many HK films copied foreign films the way The Departed so closely stuck to Infernal Affairs (in the words of Alan Mak, the co-director). Of course it doesn't affect your right to enjoy The Departed over Infernal Affairs, but I also hope you can precisely identify those "HK rip-off of films from other countries" that you know to help enlightening us here.

IMO a HK director would more often learn from the merits (style, music, image, background atmosphere, storyline and concept etc.) from foreign films, and then make a new film out of it. For instance, John Woo's The Killer (1989) is widely regarded as a film inspired by Jean-Pierre Melville's Le Samouraï (1967). If you have the chance to watch and compare the two, however, you will see how different they actually are.

In reality, the relatively small budget for a HK film is always the biggest hurdle in stopping it from copying successful Hollywood multi-million productions.

Two wrongs don't make one right. Just because white men have enslaved/ripped off blacks in the past does not give excuses for blacks if they were to enslave/rip off whites now or in future (Think Zimbabwe, Africa).

The bottom line is: More creativity on screen = More benefit for movie fans.

Well, that's just my opinion. What's yours BTW?

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i don't like remakes, so it sadden me to hear that Exiled might get remaked (mind you they're remaking the Mission as well), but it'd be even more shocking to me if they didn't want to remake HK films, the fact that they're interested in remaking so many HK films is a complement to the HK film industry itself (which is in a decline)


on another note, i loved IA and i also like Dark Water n the Grudge

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Hollywood has changed the ringu-esque horror remakes for the HK crime thrillers vein.

"I believe the common character of the universe is not harmony, but hostility, chaos and murder."

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no there were no flaws in infernal affiars. i think there are just parts in the movie u failed to understand.

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the dparted was the best remake of an asan film i've seen thats one. two hong kong has been borrowing movie ideas since the 70s. also all these hk new wave directors site martin scoresesse as their god you know how honored andrew lau must have felt whe scoresesse was signed on to do the departed. also i'm another one who fel the departed was better more complete film and i've seen all three infernal affairs. if they remake the exiled its gonna be done right expecially if it wins best forien picture at the academy(doubtit thou after seing lust caution)just be happy that films like this are getting made and stop all the bitching damn it.

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Well you say that 'Infernal Affairs' had poor character development?? Queenan was nowhere as interesting as SP Wong, Matt Damon and Di Caprio (Both good actors in their own rights) cannot hold the same calibre as Award winning stars Tony Leung (who also has admiration from Robert De Niro, plus 2 Best Actor Awards from Cannes, plus numerous awards in Asia) and Andy Lau (Who has won approximately 3 best actor awards in Hong Kong). The original was well-paced, much more intelligent, looked like a bigger budget movie (even though it didn't cost as much as The Departed). The only interesting characters portrayed were by Jack Nicholson and Mark Wahlberg. The Departed was just another over-violent crime thriller, which also wasn't realistic in terms of Police procedures. Sure it won Scorsese the Oscar, only after being snubbed so many times by the Academy (watch Dances With Wolves and Raging Bull - which film REALLY deserved to win?), but The Departed is the weakest crime movie from Scorsese (GoodFellas, Casino and even Mean Streets are a lot superior in every way). IA had a lot more of a philosophical base, with a highly intelligent script. The story is told in 3 installments of 2 hour movies, which develops characters, the story in whole pieces up and also subplots and loose ends are tied up. The Departed was like cramming all 3 movies into one 3 hour long movie, starts off great, but then blatently mimics the HK original.

Now back to the point... what actors can really fill shoes of veterans like Anthony Wong and Francis Ng? Silent Hill and Domino were absolutely balls! How is the producer behind such vile crap going to make an equally good movie??? He's going to hire some talentless hack like Brett Rattner or Michael Bay, who's going to cast some so-called 'actors' to play their roles, throw in a hottie and a rapper, fay presto! You got a mindless piece of crap that makes a lot of money. Remakes should just stop, it shows how much mainstream Hollywood sucks at being original.

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""Success" as in sales numbers right? Because success as a movie, The Departed sucked cock and balls."
LOL. Cock AND balls? Did it also suck taint and *beep*
I thought The Departed was good, but not every director is Scorcese. Did it say the producer who signed on for Exiled did Silent Hill? That's not a good sign. If the director's some no-name Hollywood hack, the movie's screwed.

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becauase its the truth. TD is an inferior film compared t0 IA. IA had a better cast thats for sure. TD was just a couple white guys trying to out cuss the other.

TD was a scene for scene ramake of Infernal Affairs. its was like scorcese was holding a portable dvd player watching Infernal Affairs while he was directing the departed.

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Hong Kong is not the only place Hollywood goes to for ideas. Remember THE VANISHING and POINT OF NO RETURN (LA FEMME NIKITA).
This is not necessarily a bad thing. It brings good stories to an audience that might not see them otherwise. Is it better to get their film ideas from novels, history, the bible, or comic books?
Foreign language films are often ignored by American theatres and viewers. Subtitles and dubbing can be distracting, making the movie less enjoyable for some.
When I am able to compare I usually find that I prefer the foreign version. Too often Hollywood alters the script to give the movie a happy ending.
Though they cannot afford the big budget special affects the smaller studios more than compensate with quality writing, directing, and acting. The plots are easier to accept and the characters are more human, more vulnerable, more believable.
As long as it is enjoyable to me I do not care where they find their inspiration. If the source of the story is important to you feel free to avoid the Hollywood version.

Dave 2007

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I completely agree. At first, I was part of the Departed > IA camp. Now, after having watched both movies more than two times in recent weeks, I've developed a much greater respect for IA than before. Now, it's not so much as whether one is better than the other, but how each one is good on its own. This says volumes, as I am a rather jaded, and harsh movie critic.

Silent Hill wasn't that bad of a movie either, especially considering it was based off of a video game. When was the last movie adapted from a video game ever good? Exactly. I'd rather Hollywood use its considerable budget and clout to try its hand at remaking an already good story, instead of piggybacking another terrible Lindsey Lohan/Hillary Duff meaningless teen drama.

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yeah lets not forget all the films that were stolen from american filmmakers.john woo,wong kar wai,akira kurosawa,johnnie to, jean peirre melville etc. have all sited many many american made films as there inspirations from mean street, to she shoots straight. you guys really need to stop bagging on american films. i mean really.

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yeah lets not forget all the films that were stolen from american filmmakers.john woo,wong kar wai,akira kurosawa,johnnie to, jean peirre melville etc. have all sited many many american made films as there inspirations from mean street, to she shoots straight. you guys really need to stop bagging on american films. i mean really.


Wow, far as i know none of the films they made were REMAKES i.e. a word for word, scene by scene remake of a foreign movie. Sure there are certain elements of Hollywood classics they had picked up on but thats not plagarism like what American cinema of today is doing with foreign movies.

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I too liked Infernal Affairs more then I did The Departed, which I did also enjoy - it's a great movie putting aside Leonardo DiCaprio's whiney voice. I dunno, when he starts shouting his high pitched vocals gets on my nerves!

I thought Infernal Affairs was far more stylish. The Departed was a lot more tense in some places and had better character development I agree. However, I would much rather sit down with the Infernal Affairs trilogy, they just appeal to me in more ways. The plot and the way it all ties together through the three films is just inspired.

Cash Cow Hollywood resorting to remakes instead of opening it's doors to fresh ideas does not do much for the film industry in the USA. Yeah of course Hong Kong copied ideas from American cinema. But at the end of the day, does this retreading of old ideas really help anyone?

They need to take more risks in my humble opinion, it's all too easy to remake something rather then use your imagaination to come up with new ideas. Sure it makes more financial sense re-using good ideas but how much longer can an audience with any intellect take it? It's getting boring! The only people that 'need' American remakes are those who cannot be arsed to read subtitles!

Hollywood needs to inject money into projects that seem fresh and inspired. Look at Korea, they have so many amazing movies! The industry there prides itself on it's originality.

I too am a Westerner, but I tend to avoid Hollywood mostly now. Most of the stuff it churns out I have already seen usually done better in another language. Let's hope they get their act together soon!


Adrian: Why do you wanna fight?
Rocky: Because I can't sing or dance.

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yeah lets not forget all the films that were stolen from american filmmakers.john woo,wong kar wai,akira kurosawa,johnnie to, jean peirre melville etc. have all sited many many american made films as there inspirations from mean street, to she shoots straight. you guys really need to stop bagging on american films. i mean really.


Since when "stealing" and "inspiration" became the same thing? If you go to a store and steal something, do you say it was just "inspiration"? UNless you are Quentin Tarantino.

Another fun fact: most of the directors you mentioned were inspired by movies from the 30s all the way to the 70s. Funny that since the 80s up to this day hollywood films don't inspire anything on anyone anymore.

"I believe the common character of the universe is not harmony, but hostility, chaos and murder."

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It's not just foreign movies that hollywood is recycling. They have also taken every single memory I have ever had of every single book, TV show, comic or even video game that I have ever enjoyed and plastered all over it with a rarely-as-good-as-envisioned piece of high budget, low creativity money grab. For a long time it was hard not to think "that's a good idea, that'll be cool". But now it's gotten to the point of exasperation concerning all the retreads. There are far fewer original ideas than there are "inspired" movies. I can't even think of one at the moment. Sad really.

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What about Hollywood making a good movie by their own? The word "Hollywood remake coming soon" is present on each board for successful "foreign" films. It's really annoying!

Those shameless studio executives should stop making awful remakes based on good foreign films.
Hollywood is running out of ideas, no doubt about that, but remakes is not the solution.

BTW I enjoyed much more Infernal Affairs than The Departed.

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kay let me set things straight...

The Departed is, in almost every way, better than Infernal Affairs. My only problem was that Leo Dicaprio and Matt Damon kinda felt miscast. but in terms of sheer entertainment, Departed takes it hands down. There were just so many nuances that made the movie better, such as the fast pacing.

Exiled was kinda horrible for me to watch because it was just so blatantly corny. If hollywood execs want to remake it, they should go ahead because i didn't like the original anyway.

' after I'm done with you, you'll be beating guys off with two hands

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Infernal Affairs is, in almost every way, better than The Departed


Fixed.

''Never trouble trouble till trouble troubles you."

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I think all of you should stop complaining because are you aware that Asia is remaking American films also:

-China/Hong Kong remade Cellular into Connected 2 years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connected_(film)

-China has remade other American film like High school musical: http://www.jpopasia.com/news/4692/chinese-remake-ofquothigh-school-musical-quot-will-be-released-on-august-the-12th!.html

-Zhang Yimou (director of many good film) has reamde one of the Coen Brothers' film: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1428556/

-Hong Kong/China is remaking What Women Want, Andy Lau will play Mel Gibson's Character and Gong Li will play Helen Hunt character: http://www.liveforfilms.com/2010/11/19/what-women-want-trailer-for-chinese-remake-starring-andy-lau/

So fair is fair. America remake Exiled while China and Hong Kong remake American film. As long as Asia remake American film, they're on the same level as US remaking Asian film.

Newsweek article about Asia remaking American film for their sudience: http://www.newsweek.com/2010/07/02/cast-in-asia-s-image.html

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