One thing that dated this film very quickly was people smoking in pubs and restaurants. It was clearly shot, or at least set, before the smoking ban which came into place last July.
The same is true of Happy Go Lucky, which stars Sally Whitaker who plays a supporting role in this film.
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You mean Sally Hawkins.
Isn't Sally Whittaker out of Corrie?
The film was originally shot in the Summer of 2006, so a full year before the smoking ban came into effect.
It was quite strange seeing people smoking in bars, I agree. Thankfully, you can't do that anymore, but that's a whole other debate !!!
"If they're beautiful, they're crazy" Woody Allen
I agree, the smoking ban was a big move forward in social evolution. I also agree that it dates this film. Plus, why do so many of the characters have to smoke? I can understand Farrell's character but others like McGregor's girlfriend only glamourise the horrible habit.
sharebecause people smoke in real life. it would seem ludicrous to have a movie made in 2006 without smoking in pubs, you couldn't walk into one without seeing it. plus, people shouldn't drink but you still see it in movies.
sharelol at smoking being a step forward in social evolution.... What a pretentious comment.
Smokings a personal choice, it doesn't improve our society to have smokers standing outside, it simply makes us look like a bunch of elitists. As if they are doing something naughty and have to go behind a corner or some other such nonsense as if they where going to perform some satanic ritual.
There are things out there, that make smoking look like a children's game, if you think it's a huge stain on our civilization you need to wake up to what's actually out there, and give up all this ludacris self righteous posturing.
Half of you are acting as if all this smoking in this movie offends your sensibilities.... honestly are you so self absorbed that it actually effected how much you enjoyed this movie?
Oh and I'm not a smoker, never have been, So I'm hardly biased in anyway someone will want to assume.
Pretentious? *beep* addicts. The only time I've been sick is from you smoking around me. Having you all stand outside, shivering from the cold, sucking that black *beep* into your lungs shows how pathetic you are, and how ignorant we all are to even have created such a ridiculous thing. When you smoke around me you assault me. I'll defend myself as if you were coming at me with a knife.
I know I'm to harsh for most, but enough is enough.
You're a *beep* moron.
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shareAn old post but I don't care.
Why do people smoke? Because of cravings and a need to hold something in their hand or put it in their mouth when stressed - seem childish a bit?
I like the massive hyperbole in the above post, more defensive than a C-130 with countermeasures:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/C-130_Hercules_10.j pg
When people have to breathe in second-hand smoke, it becomes a problem. Asking people who smoke to go outside is an inconvenience, but that's all it is.
You're right about the children's game bit, namely your post .
If impersonating a Police Officer is an offence, shouldn't actors be imprisoned?
Thankfully, you can still smoke in bars in my area. Nothing disgusts me more than non-smokers who bitch and moan about cigarette smoke. If you don't like it, don't go to the bars.
Not me, I don't care what happens!
Well, if you don't like the bitching and moaning, maybe YOU shouldn't go to the bars. There's no problem with everyone having opinions, the problem is that everyone thinks they're right. And no one is willing to look at things from others people's points of view.
Crazy Diamond #8
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
I don't like cigarette smoke, but now I can go to bars because you're not allowed to do it anymore !!
I didn't want to get embroiled in an argument on a Woody Allen board about the smoking ban (wish I'd never said anything now!).
"If they're beautiful, they're crazy" Woody Allen
To each their own. I'd rather smoke than date my niece but you don't seem to disprove of Woody doing that. At least you can still go to a bar with your incestual relationship. Me? Well I'll be the guy outside with the cigarette thinking about taking home the girls I'm not related to - well, depends on the amount of drinks.
shareI'm getting rather tired of reading posts like this:-
OK, Woody didn't date (or marry) his niece. He never married Mia Farrow, so Soon Yi is not his niece. Soon Yi was his girlfriend's (Mia Farrow's) adopted daughter.
Granted, I agree that it was not his finest hour, however, they weren't ever related beforehand, so not incestual either.
You really need to get your facts right before you make broad sweeping statements like this.
Enjoy your cigarettes !!
"If they're beautiful, they're crazy" Woody Allen
Just because I was wrong I will now attempt to quit smoking. But don't get too excited; I just want the Chantix in order to have crazy dreams. Why do I want to have crazy dreams, you ask? Of course, for you have brought up Mia Farrow and all I can think of when I see her name is how beautiful she was in Rosemary's Baby. goodness gracias.
sorry i didnt mean to upset you. Woody is a great person. I was just trying to get all Nieztsche on you and I apologize. What doesn't kill us probably makes us not feel so good.
OK, good luck on quitting smoking !!
I agree with you, she looked great in Rosemary's Baby.
I'm not going to lose any sleep over what you said, I just find all these "Woody married his daughter" posts rather tiresome. Like I said, not his finest hour, but hey, none of us are perfect.
Apology accepted.
"If they're beautiful, they're crazy" Woody Allen
You're right, she was not his niece.
She was closer to being his daughter.
I have a new philosophy. I'm only going to dread one day at a time.
"I'd rather smoke than date my niece but you don't seem to disprove of Woody doing that. At least you can still go to a bar with your incestual relationship."
What are you talking about? Seriously. What are you talking about?
Q: Do you have A CLUE what you are saying?
A: No, you don't.
Farrow and Allen never married, but they adopted two children together: Dylan Farrow (who changed her name to Eliza and is now known as Malone) and Moses Farrow (now known as Misha); and had one biological child, Satchel Farrow (now known as Ronan Seamus Farrow). Allen did not adopt any of Farrow's other biological and adopted children, including Soon-Yi Farrow Previn (the adopted daughter of Farrow and Andre Previn, now known as Soon-Yi Previn).
Oh, and Mia?
Farrow married singer Frank Sinatra on July 19, 1966, when she was 21 and he was 50.
You should actually KNOW SOMETHING before you throw around terms like 'incest'.
I'm not a smoker, but I fight for smoker's rights. I live in North San Diego County and you're not allowed to smoke cigarettes in public in some towns like Del Mar and Solana Beach. *beep* the government
shareThe smoking ban is absurd. The owner of such bar/pub should be allowed to decide whether they want to have a smoking or non-smoking establishment. People who smoke can go to the bars where smoking is allowed, and people who can't stand cigarette smoke can go to bars where it isn't allowed. Everyone is happy...right?
Legislating morality is insane. Not to mention smoking isn't even necessarily moral. It has very little mental effect on you, whereas drinking/using drugs heavily do. You're not a bad person if you smoke. It's a personal choice, and one should be allowed to make the personal choices one wants to make.
What would Jesus bomb?
I assume no-one has any other comments to make about Woody Allen or Cassandra's Dream then ?!
"If they're beautiful, they're crazy" Woody Allen
Cassandra's Dream is a heck of a movie made by a heck of a guy and I believe that I will watch it again in order to learn from it.
Woody's book "Getting Even" is great as well. Heck I'll even recommend it!
I wasn't exactly impressed with the ending, at least not as much as I could have been.
I think it would have been better for terry to push Ian, for Ian to fall as he did and appear dead. For terry to kill himself in grief as he did. But Ian not really be dead, simply injured and unconscious.
That to me would have made it less ironic, since Woody seems to be in love with making movies where people get away with murder. But Ian and Terry didn't get away with it, Which to me felt like it didn't fit.
But I'm the viewer and Woody's the genius so obviously he knows better then I do.
To the smoking thing though, you non smokers realize you die as well right? Almost as if you think not smoking means you won't get hit by a bus, or have a brain aneurysm. We all die people.. If smokings the way someone decides to go then that's their cake, if the heart attack happens to be yours then well it's all the same, same end just a different route of getting there.
Non smokers whine too much. And smokers too. That's why I'm a semi-smoker :P
shareI think banning things is generally not good but I fully support the right of non-smokers not to have to breathe in smoke in enclosed spaces and become second-hand smokers.
I don't like the righteous attitude some non-smokers have at all. If no one is bothering you why would you care what they do to themselves? They pay three times more than they cost the NHS. Go and bother fatties and people who eat lots of sugary foods - they are costing tax payers more than smokers.
I'd be happy seeing some places become smoker-friendly if they were separate and enclosed. I think it's stupid to see smokers huddled outside bars these days. The Germans have a more sensible approach to this than the British.
N.
"You are entitled to your opinion but not your own facts"
In new york, theres been a smoking ban since like 2000.
share I really agree with chasingdogma54.*thumbs up*
In Greece where i live,we can still smoke anywhere.Actually there are smoker and non-smoker areas in restaurants and cafes. But there will be a ban in 2010.Personally i find it absurd and a violation of rights,being a smoker. It would be a whole lot better to have smoking pubs/bars/restaurants/cafes and non smoking places. Everyone would make their own choice. Smokers are treated like animals when an alcoholic for example can do more damage.
About the film,i love it when characters smoke in movies and i did way before i started smoking. It is an aspect of life and it is artistic in my opinion. Some may think that Terry lighting a cigarette in every scene was weird but really smokers smoke a lot and constantly.
My favourite scene with a cigarette was when Angela obviously upset and with profound emotions lit one right before Ian kissed her. Right then you could see exactly the mentality of a smoker.To me it was very artistic but also realistic.
"Every great love story begins with a punch in the face" Dean/Jo shipper
T~O #411!
It is funny how smoking inside pubs and restaurants marks this film as a period piece. Maybe in the future smoking will be used to give an indication of when the film takes place, the way say, the absense of mobile phones or the type of cars or clothes is used today. And regardless of bans and regulations there is still more smoking in everyday life than there is in films, which I find undermines the realism factor. I mean, fair enough that no one smokes in sci-fi films, but the absence of actors lighting up in dramas, thrillers or comedies is just silly.
Did anyone else find it weird that for a film with McGregor and Farrell there is virtually no swearing? Farrell's character is english and working class and drinks and smokes and pops pills and works as an auto mechanic and he just killed a man and still he does not swear at himself or others? Is it because the two actors are unable to swear realistically in any other accent but their own? Is it a rating/cencorship issue?
Except for when Ian reacts to Terry's loss of one hundred twenty thousand pounds in card games there's hardly any cussing. The dialog is intelligent and articulate and therefore doesn't have to rely on swearing which simply would indicate maladaptation and illiteracy. Ian quickly gets past his frustrations but Terry internalizes them. The rest of the cast also manages to work through and effectively express frustration verbally and succinctly.
To be effective, foul language has to be used expertly and sparingly.
It's not a literacy issue, mate, these are working class brits we are talking about; the absence of cussing just isn't realistic. Most of the dialogue feels forced and artificial because of that fact. This ties with the whole smoking/drinking debate in films: you either create a realistic portrait based on character background and time/place, or you can do experiments and have your characters wear ballet costumes and recite latin poetry.
It would have been the same if there was no swearing in Trainspotting or Pulp Fiction. The films would not have worked that well.
OK, granted -- the local dialect(s) may not appear to be authentic, based on identifiable locations.
The story isn't a documentary. It's literal text isn't what makes it a compelling film. It's subtext is.
Compare this film to "A Place in the Sun" (1951) Dir - George Stevens. I'd suggest that "Cassandra's Dream" has elements of a remake of "A Place in the Sun". This film has more complexity and depth. It is more modern, but seems to stem from a root story contained in the earlier film. The larger, more abstract, social significance of either film is what makes it compelling drama. Without the subtext, it would just be newsfilm.
Elements such as dialect, personality, local idioms, slang, vulgarity that might appear to be "fake" to a native won't matter to a global audience. In fact, a global audience might appreciate that one hypothetical version is "cleaned up" vs. another more authentic but crass version. Who knows? Artistic license.
"Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" (1969) contains modern dialog, not period dialog. Few object, or even notice.
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Old good times... Too bad that nowadays pharmaceutical lobby is more powerful than tobacco lobby...
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