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I don't understand... *MAJOR SPOILERS*


This movie was absolutely phenomenal until the part where they spoon his eye out... because, I don't understand!

When Nim shot the pirate guy I was all YUSS NO WAY! I LOVE IT HURRAH! but then... I got lost - I just don't get it, was I supposed to get it? Cuz I didn't get it.

Why did she bother playing friendly with him? Why did that bald guy who did the eye spooning look so happy, like he knew this was all gonna happen. Why did Nim shoot the pirate guy? And WHY OH *beep* WHY did they spoon his eye out...1 eye, not both - and then stick someone ELSE'S eye in his head?

Like, srsly? WTF? Who's eye was that? Why'd they do it? Why'd they do it- and then walk away and leave all the doors open for him.

I just didn't understand it - the movie was great, I loved it, it was filmed brilliantly and I was on the edge of my seat the entire time, until that damn ending when I was left scratching my head.

And, nobody else seems to be wondering about the ending on this message board here..which baffles me. Was this ending supposed to be clear?

*sigh* I dunno, I just want answers to why the hell this movie took the turn that it did.

Thanks to anybody who answers.

~Monaghfan~
I'm the one who gripped you tight and raised you from Perdition.

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No one Replys because everyone is as just as confused as we are.
I'm with you Driveshaft. After the so called "Twist" when Nim shoots the antagonist, everything went downhill from there.

Most of the Acting was very good, but some parts wasn't good IMO.
I believe half the scenes with Nim weren't convincing enough and hard to understand her on some lines. She lost me a few times

When they revealed the main antogonist's face, I believe I am suppose to know him. (And if i wasn't, then removing his mask dramatically was a bad choice IMO.)
If I were suppose to know him, then the director did not do a good job for me to remember him. (Maybe he was one of those people in the meeting, I'm not sure. I feel i shouldn't have to go back to find out for it be a really good film, Its the directors job to make things make sense in times like that.

But the main problem this film had, was as Driveshaft stated. The movie left us with to many questions. And the answers to those questions, would probably make 0 sense. The most annoying part of this ending to me was...the last 30 seconds. "wtf movie"
I couldn't tell if 'they' were praising a homeless man, or if 'they' realized he was the tortured Victim for more then a month. And if he was, why the hell were they smiling and what were they smiling at. If it was suppose to be symbolic, then I don't get it. Would of been better if they took him to a hospital right away. (would be boring, but at least it would of made sense)


Do not get me wrong, I was really enjoying the film, my first film to watch in my Free Trial of Netflix streaming threw my Xbox360. Pretty good and had me at the edge of my seat. The only problems were the ones stated in my opinion.
If anyone has an explanation to this ending, I am very curios.

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Haha, I watched this on my Netflix too.

I don't think we were supposed to recognize the pirate guy when his mask was removed - I didn't recognize him anyway - I figured the big significance of it was that since it was being broadcast - and they revealed his face, it meant rescue for our hero.

And I think the ending, they just recognized the guy and were celebrating because he was free. That's the way I took it anyway.

But yeah, the ending was confusing and it sucks because in movies - the end is everything, the end makes the movie. This ending let me down. :P But, the rest of the movie was still very enjoyable.

~Monaghfan~
I'm the one who gripped you tight and raised you from Perdition.

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the thing is that the scriptwriters had no idea what they were trying to archieve, therefore when they were almost finished were so deep in the gutter that they did not find any plausible answers the regarding the ending, the who, the what and the why and simply let it end like it would be the most natural thing in the world.

funny enough it is based on a bestselling novel. i would be interested in how that was concluded, but i found the movie so weak that i will not bring up the energy to actually find it out.

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it was a prosthetic eye not somebody else's.

she took his eye out cuz she said she believed in everything they were doing.

it was always their intention to let him go. to change a rich man u take his money and let him be poor not take his money and kill him.

And yes they all recognized him from the internet

I'm a lead farmer, *beep*

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Okie dokie.

~Monaghfan~
I'm the one who gripped you tight and raised you from Perdition.

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I don't get why Nim bothered lying about caring, what did that do for her? She was obviously lying to him the whole time when she was saying she wants to help him...blah, blah, blah...because then she continues to have his eye spooned out. But what was the point of this, why did she bother putting on this caring act, and was everyone in on it, did they all know she was acting like this?

I hide behind a mask

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Dunno. It's a confusing movie with ends that don't tie together neatly. *le shrug*

~Monaghfan~
I'm the one who gripped you tight and raised you from Perdition.

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Ok...so I feel I'm confused as everyone else...because if she was just lying to him the whole time for whatever reason...fine. Whatever. Maybe she gets off on it. BUT...why would she have killed one of her own people then? Loved this movie...but seriously...wtf was with that ending?

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Maybe she really did care. Maybe she thought she was changing him for the better.

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I think the reason she put ont he caring act was to essentially keep him sane, and to keep him slightly optimistic about escaping, rather than giving up entirely. What good would it be for their audience to watch somone get torchered who has no hope for the afterwards.
Also, she probably shot the main antagonist because once his face was shown, she knew it would only be a matter of time before authorities moved in on their operation. She just killed the one person the police would have been able to use to track the rest of the team down after they all left with the message, and loot.

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Good explaination. I wasn't confused about the ending at all, just releived that he came out alive and still able to see, even though only with one eye.





"You ate her, too. So why don't you kill yourself?"
"M for Mischa!"

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My hit on her killing him was that it didn't suit their purposes for Elliot to be killed, and at that point the pirate guy lost it, said something like "It's over" and began to beat Elliot to death. So she stopped him. As for pretending to care for him, I don't get that. In fact, pirate guy grabbed her and said something like "show him how much you love him" before she shot him, so, I dunno....
Smiling doc? Just creepy.

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Mmkay, so:

Nim played the caring, affectionate person for two reasons. The first is the good cop/bad cop scenario. Elliott had to have some sort of positive influence to oppose Blackbeard's torture. The other stemming from her line: "I agree with the cause, but not his methods" or something to that effect. The methods she didn't agree with was the psychological torture and the constant threat of killing Elliott. She mentions several times that his mind needs to be intact.

Blackbeard eventually started only caring about ratings and money, turning into the thing that he was trying to oust.

Nim shot him for nearly killing Elliott and the Doctor (who appears to be a second in command) seems to recognize her as the new leader of the group, thus supporting his creepy smile at the end. Or he could just be a creeper. :P

The people at the end were obviously celebrating finding him alive ("we've achieved world wide recognition").

They only took one eye because that was all they needed to prove their point.

Removing Blackbeard's mask was dramatic because it was televised. Everyone saw his face. I'm still not sure if we're supposed to recognize him though.

At least that's my take on it. Seems to make some sort of sense.

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As she said earlier in the film, she believed in the cause but not the methods. She saw the guy losing his cool and knew he would have killed the other guy. She shot him and then semingly saved one of his eyes.


Or something. lol

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I agree. Nim killed Blackbeard because he wasn't in it for the cause anymore; he was in it for the sense of power torturing Elliot gave him.

I think Nim really did grow to care about Elliot on some level. She hated what he did and what he represented and believed he deserved to face consequences, but as she spent time with him she developed hope that he could change. I think the plan was always to release him once they'd raised the money, and I think they intended to send him back without any of his senses as a message to the world. Nim's final act of taking one of Elliot's eyes while leaving him the other demonstrated both her continued devotion to her cause and her hope that he had learned and could become a better person. I think she wanted him to focus inwardly on his own soul more than the pleasures of the world.

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GREAT thread. Read and appreciated all posts (except the usual one from therefwhatever).

I really enjoyed the entire movie. I read many movie boards and read about all these guys who enjoy seeing women's breasts or if they get naked - and that's all they seem to care about.

I, like many men, appreciate sexy women, and understand the lure of sex appeal. But not watching porno movies, I don't care about topless, showing breasts, or whathaveyou.

With that said, Nim, the Emma Catherwood character, was sexy. Sexy face. And it being partially masked for most of the movie, made it that much more alluring.

So I feel her role was sex appeal. A bit of a tease, ultimately screwing him in the end by allowing the doc guy to remove one eye.

Guess that's why I thought this movie had many more layers than lots of the haters thought.

With that said, agreed that when "blackbeard" (who actually looked better with the mask on lol) was unmasked, it wasn't that we were supposed to recognize him, but that his face was televised (if that's the right word) on the Internet.

He even said "cut the camera" quickly, right? To drive home that point.

And as for why did they "do" what they did? meaning go through with the eye removing and ultimately release him

It was all about what the public wanted. ALL about it.

Why am I using spoilers indiscriminately here? lol

Okay, did I answer everything to the best of my ability here?

Oh, and why no one else is talking about the ending? Because so many others are too busy acting cool and bashing this totally kick ass (unlike that comedy Kick Ass which was actually Kick Crap, lol) movie.

And no, I have nothing to do with this movie. I JUST saw it in 2011.

Oh yeah, almost forgot. What was the dealio with the fake eye put in place of his real eye? I feel it was for TRUE shock value. When he revealed the first eye, you didn't realize it was removed, right? As we saw a pupil. It wasn't until he revealed the second eye that we realized it. Just for visceral shock value - like most of the movie. Mission accomplished (unlike when Bushy said it).

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It's been a while since I've seen this movie now. And even with everybody's explanations and theories the eye thing still doesn't make sense to me.

The 'bad guys' in this movie obviously spent a lot of time putting this whole thing together, they didn't half ass it - until the end. THAT'S probably what bothers me.

Okay, the removing of one eye and setting him free was to get the message across and shock value. But why did they remove one eye? What would have truly gotten the message home, what would have been more of a shock value would have been if they'd followed through and blinded him completely.

I suppose that would have made the ending predictable - when you see he still has a working eye you're like 'woah wait... oh okay'

But, removing both of his eyes would have better wrapped up the film and given it a nice disturbing ending that made sense. (oh wait, is that why its called senseless? It made none? lol, I kid.)

If they'd finished what they started the bad guys could have said - We got our point across, here's your American. He's useless now - he's senseless.

It just was odd, to go to the extremes they did to do these things to this guy and not finish the job.

~Monaghfan~
I'm the one who gripped you tight and raised you from Perdition.

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true. also: they have already spoiled the removal of the eye on the actual movie poster. why? to make 100% sure that nobody has any surprise moments?

"laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone." - Dae-su Oh

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^lol, yeah - very true.

~Monaghfan~
I'm the one who gripped you tight and raised you from Perdition.

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I know I'm about 5 yrs late, but I think sayings like: An eye for an eye... (makes the whole world blind), come into play here.

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