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Just one thing about something in the beginning...(spoilers !!!)

posted 13 years ago by bigkabuto
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Lily calls Emily and tells her what's about to happen, although not in the exact words. So she's awake, and she knows damn well what's about to happen. Why didn't she try to fight her parents off at all when they grabbed her and eventually put her in the oven?

Ok sure...she called Emily up and hoping she'd come to her rescue in time, but what if she had not come in time? Also....she's basically the devil, she can't bash open that oven door? Come on now.

[–] sweet-2005 13 years ago

Lol. True.

I really enjoyed the movie though.

time does not heal the wound. It will, in it's most merciful way, blunt the edge ever so slightly.

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[–] sea_monkey_junkie 13 years ago

A couple of things bothered me about Lily's parents... one was how openly hostile the father was in the beginning. It made sense in the the context of the abuse red herring, but once the truth about Lily was revealed much later in the film, it's like the filmmakers assumed we wouldn't remember. What were the parents so angry/evasive about, if they were ultimately, in truth, the real victims?

The other thing was how, when they were doing the oven-stuffer thing, they weren't yelling out "She's a demon! She must die!" Instead, they were pretty much mute. I know the purpose (for the filmmakers) was to not reveal the whole twist, but come on. Their behavior seemed unrealistic considering to what was happening (and yes, I know it was an unrealistic situation to begin with.)

Thoughts?

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[–] wyntrz 13 years ago

All these flaws are a case of the filmmaker trying to advance the story and not giving a sh!t about logic. Basically, it's lazy writing and filmmaking. It's cheating the audience's intelligence. This movie was mediocre.

[–] fiatlux-1 13 years ago

one was how openly hostile the father was in the beginning. It made sense in the the context of the abuse red herring, but once the truth about Lily was revealed much later in the film, it's like the filmmakers assumed we wouldn't remember. What were the parents so angry/evasive about, if they were ultimately, in truth, the real victims?

Perhaps you hit the nail on the head...it was to make the viewer think it was him; it was a red herring. Also, I really think that the parents likely tried to make someone else, someone before Emily, believe what was going on and were not believed.
Its also possible the parents were literally (and understandably!) driven insane by that time by Lily.

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[–] Eve_of_Destruction 12 years ago

Also, I really think that the parents likely tried to make someone else, someone before Emily, believe what was going on and were not believed.

That is what I thought. Also, in response to the other posters statement, maybe Lilith has limited powers when she is in the body of a little girl. Maybe the powers get stronger as she manipulates or whatever. I am sure God has certain rules that Satan and his minions must bear.

[–] HippieDrillSealOfApproval 13 years ago

What were the parents so angry/evasive about, if they were ultimately, in truth, the real victims?

How else would they be? From their perspective, they were trying to deal with a demon child and the state was butting in.

[–] jewelparsons1234 12 years ago

What were the parents so angry/evasive about, if they were ultimately, in truth, the real victims?

They were angry because the demon had killed off all their extended family members and brought unimaginable suffering to their relatives.

They were evasive because they wanted to ensure they would have a clear run at killing Lily. They had obviously experimented with it for some time and were unsuccessful. They finally got their chance and didn't want it screwed up.

But Lily was on to them and knew what they were trying to do. So there was this open hostility between the parents and "child".

[–] steveintucson 12 years ago

If you're trying to kill a kid by pushing her in the oven, my guess is that it probably won't make things go better for you if you yell, "She's a demon, she has to die!"

BTW, watching that scene is gripping. Not knowing the true nature of the kid makes the parents seem demonic.

[–] mandalamom 12 years ago

i think the dad being interrupted from digging the grave in the basement had a lot to do with his behavior during Emily's visit. ;)

[–] macoliveira 8 years ago

They were pretending for Lily. When Emily first came visiting them, the father was serious and not talking directly to her to not show fear...the thing that feeds the demon.
He set his mind to kill it and that was it.
I think the reason that he was not screaming that she was a demon was because he knew nobody was going to believe him, and then again he and his wife were on a mission to kill the demon.

[–] jewelparsons1234 12 years ago

Lily calls Emily and tells her what's about to happen, although not in the exact words. So she's awake, and she knows damn well what's about to happen. Why didn't she try to fight her parents off at all when they grabbed her and eventually put her in the oven?

The parents couldn't just take her at any time; otherwise they'd have killed her long ago. They had to wait until she was very weak - for example when she was tired or asleep. But she almost always remained awake. They had to wait until she fell asleep. The first night she fell asleep through sheer exhaustion was THAT night. Remember she's talking on the phone to Emily and then slowly nods off. That was the tiredness & she was too weak to fight back when they shoved her in the oven. But she semi-woke up and struggled (although she was very weak anyway).

[–] Mehki_Girl 12 years ago

She needed to be rescued so she could move in with the social worker. It was a setup