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Next drug and countercluture?


Like they were saying in the documentary, everything seems to be on a loop. The hippies were basically created as an antidote to the boring 50s and the Vietnam war, and the ravers were an antidote to the disgusting materialism of the 1980s. Seems like we're in a mixture of the 60s and 80s here with a war that has no end in sight and a culture obsessed with materialism and success. So if history proves to be on a loop, there's bound to be a new sub-culture that reacts to our present society with new drugs and new music. Anyone have any predictions?

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I just hope the next counterculture movement isn't taken over by radical politics. It was the takeover of the individualist experience of the LSD movement by communist and anarchist radicals that destroyed whatever "antidote" the 60's counterculture movement had.

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I think it's nothing like the 60's right now. No part. I wish it would be, but let's face it...the 80's kids are raising the millenium kids, and in a place where Paris Hilton is a role model and Playboy is a clothing line that middle schoolers wear, we're only going to go down further, faster, and harder.

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If we were ever to have a revolt like we did in the 60s, do drugs really need to be part of it? Could we ever have countercultural revolution without using drugs?

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No, we need to drop acid and feed our head.

Turn on, Tune in, Drop out.....

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i think the counterculture is already forming. just listen to the music. it is hard rock, punk, indie, etc. Marijuana is big in schools and our country. It is being legalized in Denver and Alaska. Almost legalized in canada. its just that no one has stood up and spoke out and has had many people follow as a whole group counterculture yet. i agree in a way with hrumie.

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hm. i don't really know what to say about this. I don't think the 60's or 70's will ever happen again as much as i wish they would. The 60's and 70's were two amazing periods of time. And, i guess in a way these days things are similar. I can deffinately see the drugs comming back in todays teenagers. The music will always be around though.

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I agree with you iamjam, I graduated in 04 and saw alot of drug use. Can't say I didn't do them either. I still smoke weed, but I use it for a medical condition. I don't really think drugs need to be as symbolic as they were in the 60s, that part has been played out, you can beat a dead horse all you want, but a dead horse on drugs....

Anyways, I'm a little scared about the lack of passion and short-sightedness of many of our peers. Right now it seems like apathy has a firm hold on much of today's youth. Although with the war and a president no one seems to trust, it is a definite echo of a time not too unfamiliar but fading away nonetheless. Maybe a counterculture movement is brewing slowely in the underbelly of our society. Maybe im full of *beep* too, hard to tell the diffrence sometimes.

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The counter-culture is dead.

Drugs, sex, rock n roll. All a mainstream culture, socially acceptable, institutionalized. There are no original ideas, just copy and print, copy and print. Like an old Xerox, but when it's all over, what's left?The ideology shifted in the the '70s and into today where it's all about "me". Drugs have become nothing more than a vehicle for rich unhappy white suburban kids trying to numb out and forget their problems for awhile. (Granted others do drugs, but in America to a large extent)

Meth is the main drug going on right now, but going into the future it's all about prescription drugs: the prozacs, oxycontins, etc.

The real counter-culture today is seemingly those who don't do drugs, the 'clean-minded' so to speak.
If there is going to be any revolution, it's going to be an intellectual revolution. The late nineties and early 00's, don't have a clear identity. No great war or great struggle. We are a generation choked by apathy. Where have the great men gone? Where is the idealism?

No one may notice it, but the government won the war in the 60s, the 70s, the 80s, and into today. Think about it, what more would the government like than keeping it's core values, spirituality, etc. and all the while the majority of the populace is sedated and dependent on the government for it's sustenance. The Washington fat cats get richer, while America maintains it's image. America loves keeping their image intact while their hand is in a couple different cookie jars.

Look at the world today, you hear about all these 'changes', but nothing is really ever changing. There's all this PC-bull, but no one really understands the issues, the culture behind the words. The world is a song and it's on repeat. There are no great men anymore. If anything is going to change, drugs need to quit being a sedative and our lives need to change.

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I was a teenager in the 60's living in San Francisco during the 60's. I watched a generation act very stupidly, sometimes in a good cause, sometimes not. (Can't quite bring myself to crank it up to the glory of madness like Ginsburg.) I did no drugs (my parents were pharmacists and we had great respect for chemicals and ourselves). I think the 60's was pretty much a mistake apart from the civil rights movement, the beginning of the environmental movement and landing on the moon. At least someone official in South Vietnam actually asked the U.S. to come in and help even if the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was the perhaps next biggest lie after Iraq-al Qaeda linkage. The war and the draft were the power that drove the counter culture. (We know better now, use volunteers and mercenaries, tax cuts, and send the bill on to our grandchildren. Voila!, no mass protest! heroes and yellow ribbons all round. The lesson learned from Vietnam: Don't make selfish Americans too aware of their duty and responsibilities to execute, oppose or even be aware of US policy. Any war worth fighting is worth getting drafted for.) From that we get the impetus for both drugs and radical leftist politics, both destructive to the credibility of any so-called movement of loyal American citizens (and in the case of drugs destructive to the individuals themselves) in opposition to an unjust war. It is no excuse that the 50's were "boring". What I saw in the 60's was shameless self indulgence in drugs, promiscuity and a great deal of general vandalism that congratulated itself for its transcendent wisdom, infinite compassion, and moral superiority while doing exactly what it felt like doing and when it felt like it. Summer of Love indeed, summer of self-centered indulgence! There was no shortage of spoiled brats past puberty in the Haight-Ashbury. Then there was the politics. Why is it that to oppose US policy in Southeast Asia, a right of citizenship, is it necessary or even attractive to embrace and espouse the political theories of the very worst despots of the twentieth century? Political theories that in practice would have put every single one of them in a prison camp or a grave, probably unmarked. What part of "Gulag" and "Re-education camp" don't they understand? It was clear to me that what was required material on the constitution and history in general at my school were wasted on most of these people. They did not understand the precious rights they had that few on earth have ever had, and how they should be used (, and how they could be lost if instead of redress people sought mere disorder that would justify repression. They also did not really understand the basics of sex, drugs, disease or apparently personal hygiene. (If you do not believe me, dig up an archive of the Berkeley Barb, and read the letters addressed to the Dr. Hip-pocrates column.) The acceptability of drug use that infected our culture from those days is a continuing blight. There would be no drug problem without droves of ready willing customers. How much the legacy of that time continues to contribute momentum to the authoritarians of the religious right I am not sure. The series shows quite clearly how short a time it took for the veneer of spirtual advancement to flake off revealing the rotten core of self-centered pursuit of a high at any cost for its own sake. Drug culture (of heroin) corroded the core of jazz, the legacy of Bird that is conveniently over-looked. On the larger scale it (heroin, cocaine, crack, meth etc ad nauseam) corrodes the entire culture to extent that it is accepted. (This is not an endorsement of the Drug War, merely a condemnation of the demand that drives the drug trade.)

Sure love those Doors and Airplane albums though, eh? Acid rock and groovy posters are not enough compensation for the damage. Especially when I consider that the Vietnam generation for the most part went Jay-Walking (*) about its business while the neocon chickenhawks and their closely allied war profiteers took the US military and its amazing box of expensive toys to Iraq on bigger lies and a less convincing pretext that Johnson used to go into Vietnam, or Nixon into Cambodia. I don't see anything useful was learned. If something had there would have been an immediate and unmistakable howl, accompanied by a precipitous dip in the all-important poll numbers, when that neocon wet dream, the Iraq war, was first proposed publicly after the justifiable pursuit of al-Qaeda into Afganistan as going well and still far from complete. It seems to be "no draft", "no problem!". At least so long as the death, devastation and carnage is inflicted unilaterally. Anything is ok, until the body bags start coming back (an event that has been skillfully suppressed in the media, perhaps the other lesson from Vietnam?). Some values.

CB

Good Times, Noodle Salad

(*) the bit where Leno does not have to work very hard to find "average citizens" who know less than nothing about the world, world history, their country, its history, or even current events.

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Being a college kid at a large university I think I can comment on this one. Our genertion is trying....no it won't be as great as the 60s or early 70s because my parent's generation is the precedent. The first is always the best. But music is changing...the whole indie subculture is gaining recognition and political organizations are forming across the country. SDS has been restarted and is gaining followers again, this time with a less radical vibe. And as for the drug use? It's still prevelant. We've moved out of the cocaine era for the mot part I think, but we're definitely back to the marijuana days. I think that my generation is trying to find a way to mellow out before we take on the world....because it's gonna be pretty big battle.

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are you people kidding me. there isnt a counter culture because as of now everyone is drugged up almost. You have soccer moms taking meth so they can keep up their figure, you have so many kids and adults on prescription drugs that are worse then pot by all means. you have kids that dont care anymore and think that we live in some terrible world and they have to show how bad they have it by dressing in girls pants and having their black greasy hair in front of their faces. we have star bucks on every corner and people that cant go a day with out getting a cup, thats an addiction my friend. to have a counter culture anymore you have to not do drug and act weird almost.

You have to test yourself everyday, when you stop you get slow, thats when i kill you

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This thread was made exactly 2 years ago...

The new counter-culture isn't one you can easily recognize. The new "cool kids" are part of a LARGE spectrum. You have the "hippies", the "surfers", the "trendy" socialites, the "gangsters"(rolls eyes), the "rockers", the "metro-sexuals" and MILLIONS of "hip" people in between. As much as I'm going to contradict myself, the new generation drug culture is breaking down labels. We can look like normal, drug-free people and live lives even WORSE than our prior druggie generations.
I don't think there will be a new "counter-culture" sweeping through colleges like in the past. The new generation is too critical to just become what everyone is becoming. We're are too idealistic. We see too much hypocrisy. Like the documentary expressed, America was stuffed on cocaine and WE KNOW THAT. So now, instead of EVERY young person in America doing ONE drug. It's like a buffet.
Coke one night, lots of pot the other..a rave here n there, some xanax or oxycontin to sleep well and behind closed doors people are still sticking needles in their toes.
We are making drug use universal...not "hip" and "trendy" or creating some kind of revolution out of it...like our previous generations.
Just my opinion.

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I don't think there will ever be a counterculture as pronounced as there was in the 60's and 70's. Some will try but in time it will die just like everything else. Our generation is going into technology overload. The internet brings ideas together, yet we are becoming more unattached with reality and people. We're spoiled, bored, and unable to think for ourselves. Our bodies are billboard advertisements filled with logos, mass produced and purchased. Prescription pills and coffee are our addictions. "We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives." That Fight Club quote pretty much sums this generation. If history repeats itself I think we would be entering the 50's mixed with the 80's. I could be wrong though, movements and revolutions aren't planned, they just happen given the right place and time. The only counterculture that is going on is the green movement, I don't know if it is counterculture, though.

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It's interesting to see how in a matter of months your view of the world changes, I wrote this in September of last year only to find out the next month we are in the worst economic predicament since the Great Depression. If that is true what I said about our current culture being a mix of 50's and 80's were way off. They were times of prosperity.

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I can't read.

"On a long enough timeline the survival rate of everyone drops to 0."

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