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I just watched this and thoroughtly enjoyed it. I could sum it up as memiors made by japanese instead of americans. The colours in this movie were so vibrant and beautifull and the soundtrack (done by the awesome Sheena Ringo) was fantastic. I didnt like Anna Tsuchiya in Suicide Girls, this movie has warmed me slightly to her.

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i wouldn't really compare it to "memoirs of a geisha", because the tone of each movie was pretty different. still, i loved this, and watching this movie after the inexplicably overrated "nana" (and its even more unintentionally laughable sequel), it just felt refreshing. although i've heard it got really mixed reviews in japan (though i'm not sure of this)

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I read the manga first. I thought this movie was great, very true to the spirit of the original. I actually think it could have been longer, but the ending was somewhat like I expected, just a little bit abrupt.

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Many persons want to fault Memoirs of a Geisha for a wide variety of issues, but I wonder how much of a push that film's visual flair and technical excellence gave to the production of this movie, and possibly other Japanese films in the future.

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Many persons want to fault Memoirs of a Geisha for a wide variety of issues, but I wonder how much of a push that film's visual flair and technical excellence gave to the production of this movie, and possibly other Japanese films in the future.
Sayuri/Memoirs of a Geisha was universally despised by the Japanese so you shouldn't make that movie out to be anything more than the bigoted insult against the Japanese and their culture as Rob Marshall intended it to be.

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I find this interesting as I live in Tokyo of course as an english teacher and this has come up in many discussions. I get mixed feelings about the movies from people in Japan the same as in Australia. And of course its wrong to directly compare to Memiors as Oiran are not geisha but it would be how it would get marketed in the west right

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I find this interesting as I live in Tokyo of course as an english teacher and this has come up in many discussions. I get mixed feelings about the movies from people in Japan the same as in Australia. And of course its wrong to directly compare to Memiors as Oiran are not geisha but it would be how it would get marketed in the west right


Hi. I'd be eager to hear views on this subject from Japanese too, students or anyone familiar with both films.

And of course you're right to indicate geisha are not courtesans, but the subject matter itself does not preclude a comparison between the two films, I feel. There is a similar emphasis on loud visuals in both films, to name but one connection. There are some more remarkable similiarities, but I would leave others to make up their own minds rather than discuss them here.

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I thought that Memoir's visuals were rather subdued to be honest. There's something more outlandish and brutal about Sakuran, it may have to do with the source material. The original's story was very sad and forward in its examination of the practices in the red light district, this movie does glamorise it but still holds true plotwise.

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I thought that Memoir's visuals were rather subdued to be honest. There's something more outlandish and brutal about Sakuran, it may have to do with the source material. The original's story was very sad and forward in its examination of the practices in the red light district, this movie does glamorise it but still holds true plotwise.



I would agree that Memoirs of a Geisha is very subdued in its sexual content or rather, lack thereof. It's only appropriate that Sakuran, a movie about oiran and a brothel includes much more of it than a film about geisha. And I have read, to be honest, more than one complaint along the lines that Sakuran "does glamorise (prostitution) a bit". And while you're far from alone, I still think that's a bit harsh, perhaps out of some determination to look at this film objectively. In Sakuran, we are led to recognise the setting, sure enough, as a top-class den of iniquity, but as a den of iniquity nevertheless, with many of the women held in de facto slavery. The lavish clothes and eye-pleasing decor we soon understand as having much more to do with the satisfaction of the clients than the comfort of the prostitutes. And I think there's no mistaking that.

The women in Sakuran are, as we see, routinely subjected to brutal treatment, followed by loathing for themselves and each other. The protagonist, sold as a child into the brothel, is tied up and beaten as punishment throughout the film. Then there are the various forms of abuse from clients we see in Sakuran, and finally clashes between the oiran during the hours they wait for clients. And so there is much more violence in Sakuran than Memoirs of a Geisha, and all of which rings true enough, as there's no denying violence, or the threat of violence, regularly accompanies prostitution. Sakuran doesn't attempt to hide this, but actually addresses the charges of the critics head on. The dreamy cinematography showcasing the flashy costume and set design serves not only to ring in a large note of irony about the nature of the oiran's life, but also as a much needed diversion for the audience from time to time. This should be regarded as a part of sophisticated filmmaking and pacing, which means taking the foot off the gas from time to time, and should not be interpreted as soft-peddling the issues taken up by the story.

Sakuran is an admirable effort from a first-time director, Mika Ninagawa. The consciously extravagant vision of a top-class brothel in old Japan as a setting should not be faulted for trying to attract a larger audience, one which would not care to contemplate sitting through a film taking up issues surrounding prostitution were the whorehouse set in a wooden shed with a dirt floor in an ancient village, much less a place that looks like it could be down the street. So much on that score.

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Hi. I'd be eager to hear views on this subject from Japanese too, students or anyone familiar with both films.

And of course you're right to indicate geisha are not courtesans, but the subject matter itself does not preclude a comparison between the two films, I feel. There is a similar emphasis on loud visuals in both films, to name but one connection. There are some more remarkable similiarities, but I would leave others to make up their own minds rather than discuss them here.

Raktratt, you should know by now that I am a Japanese who is up to date on the entertainment industry, extremely familiar with the traditional Japanese culture, and equally comfortable working in both U.S. and Japan. You should also know that the Japanese would be less than forthcoming in expressing their honest opinions to a gaijin than to their fellow countrymen.

Your obsessive compulsion to praise MoaG to the moon at every opportunity does NOT change the fact that the Japanese, and especially Japanese women, are disgusted with the film -- when I lectured at a major Japanese university last year, 100% of the audience who had seen the film (there weren't that many since the film was a major flop) were angry at Rob Marshall, et. al. for a wide variety of reasons.

If you had done your homework, you would know that Sakuran's director, Mika Ninagawa, is the daughter of Yukio Ninagawa, Japan's foremost stage director who is known for incorporating Kabuki elements in his Shakespeare productions. Mika herself is a celebrated photographer, and she spoke of combing through mounds of ukiyo-e prints to recreate Yoshiwara -- the green tatami mats, flowers, the vivid screens, chest of drawers, kimono embroidery, etc. are all historically accurate -- so it's obvious that her artistic and visual influences came from Japanese culture itself.


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Well said, c11y! While I am not Japanese, I work with a large number of Japanese through a university ESL program and have traveled to Japan. The adults and students that I have talked to about the film (because popular culture is always a fun subject to talk about) are highly critical of it, with few if any words of praise (mostly for the visuals). They recognize it as a pure Hollywood film not at all representative of Japanese culture.

Regarding the films' visuals, Mika Ninagawa (whose photographs are exceptionally beautiful!!) was able to take her knowledge of Japanese culture/history and combine it with her visual flair to transcend the norm for this film which was based on a manga. So the visuals really complimented the film, especially given Anna Tsuchiya's yanki-esque performance and Shiina Ringo's score. MoaG, on the other hand, treated Japan as though it were a theme park. The more I think about it, I guess that's not so bad since the film is basically a Cinderella fairytale rife with the American Dream. But that's one of the worst things about MoaG, that behind its purported accuracy and Japanese-ness is nothing more than a Western ideology.

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so do you know that japanese people dont like sharing information or talking to gaijin and prefer to just socialise within their country and their people. i find that crazy! but i know that is the truth somehow. I like japan but i really dont understand the way they think (the people that is) but of course htat is only majority. there are some amazing people who are westernised like shiina ringo!

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so do you know that japanese people dont like sharing information or talking to gaijin and prefer to just socialise within their country and their people.

Is this a statement or a question to me? I don't think this type of behaviour is unique to the Japanese - I would expect anyone to feel inhibited from communicating with strangers who don't speak their language and share a common culture. It's not that the Japanese "don't like sharing information or talking to gaijin" but some may be reluctant to communicate especially if they don't possess any foreign language skills.
i find that crazy! but i know that is the truth somehow. I like japan but i really dont understand the way they think (the people that is) but of course htat is only majority.

With all due respect, if you find people behaving in a manner that's consistent with basic human nature "crazy", I feel that the problem rests with you and your self-absorbed ways. I "get" that you don't understand the Japanese, but I have absolutely no idea what you mean by "but of course htat (sic) is only majority." If English is your native language, you're the one that's not communicating effectively -- perhaps others are finding it difficult to understand YOU.

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c11y ... I find your remarks quite harsh actually ... and probably more your own opinion then what is true of your country ...

I've been living in Japan over the past year and had NO issues talking with Japanese people ... the only thing they're not forthright with is their feelings on whether they like or dont like something - and honestly, doesnt take a brain scientist to work it out ... ;)...



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sonna baka kotto yu na! Nihonjin kata ha 'case-by-case-' DESU-.

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Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer The Sea is Watching over this. Didn't know this was originally a manga, but I guess that explains it.

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Finally, after all the all too obvious, misguided comparisons to Memoirs of a Geisha, someone brings up The Sea is Watching. Thank you! I immediately thought of that beautiful movie while watching this. Though I don't know if I prefer that over this. I think they were both well made, beautifully told stories with a similar basis for their tale.

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At first after reading all these comments, I was wondering if this would be a good movie. But after finally watching this, I consider it to be very entertaining. Since I have no clue of the true scene behind brothels besides reading about it here and there, I can't really compare anything with the real world. I wonder if this movie embelishes too much what this world is truly or was, as usually when you are forced into a world of control, you rarely end up in a positive situaiton. Especially if the trade is about humans and selling their beauty and bodies in exchange for money. The more I watch, the more I discover first hand and the more I meet people, the more I discover that life has many things to tell. I almost feel like I am repeating myself right now from another time after thinking about life in general. But still, I think you can't really go backwards in your actions.

The only thing that is certain is that if you don't try nothing, you won't get anything. Good night and till next I ponder on a movie :P

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