'Judge me, you Bitch!'
Chills, dude...
This movie was pretty good for what they had to make it.
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raq_an_bet,
i think you missed the point of the monologue. he just finished relating how he was only capable of loving a passive victim and went on to silence his own emotional victim with pathetic hate speech.
characters who use the b-word in this film are exemplifying impotent rage and are pathetic just as any cartoonish villain (see kathleen turner's speech in the man with two brains: http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0019652/quotes
Dolores Benedict: "I'll get you for this, you n!gg3r-k!k3-w0p." )
go back and read the title of the movie for a quick reminder.
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i wonder in what situation would it be "right, in (your) opinion" to call a black man or woman the n-word.
because if you re-read my reply above, you'll see, that's the case you are making.
when i said the hate speech was used to expose pathetic, impotent rage, did you think, "yes, how very right and noble!"?
john k.'s character was berating a silent woman who merely asked him a question and let him hang himself once he had enough rope. when he got to the end of his pretentious speech about being compelled to love his supernaturally-compassionate crunchy/hitcher/rape survivor, did he see the patience and compassion in the woman right in front of him?
no-- he projected his own ugliness onto her showing he had, in fact, learned nothing from the hitcher, and proceeded to call her a name that affects over 50% of the world's human population and 100% of those we call "Man's best friend". add to this the hypocrisy of his calling her judgmental, and i fail to see how he did anything but reveal how much he hates all women, not just the one in his immediate field of abuse.
hideous means ugly; it is not a synonym for righteous. the portrayal of this particular male character is intentionally subtle until the end where we finally see him for who he truly is: an arrogant, dominance-seeking jerk, one whom our interviewer can peacefully release after witnessing his illusion-shattering behavior. the spell is broken, and now she can move on
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I didn't see his speech as being a hate speech
hate speech is any epithet used by bigots. opinions don't figure into the equation-- that's why i used the examples above; you do know that sexism is bigotry, so you must understand no one word is worse than the other; they are all bad and used to spread hatred, thus, 'hate-speech.' share
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if it were just a personal insult and not sexist, he would not have needed to to use a gendered word. that word will always be gendered, will always be sexist. that was the point.
he peeled off his Nice Guy®/emogynist rubber mask to show his real, old-fashioned, hideous wifebeater classic face-- and he would've gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for us meddling feminist kids!
I'm sorry, but i am inclined to disagree. I saw the scene in a similar way to the OP. Although the word is traditionally gendered, it can be applied to both sexes in the same way that Bast ard would be.
Throughout the film she was making silent judgments about the men she interviewed or even just saw in the street. Yes, some of them were bigoted but some of them were not. She was hurt by one man and automatically turned to a defencive 'men are hideous creatures' stance, which i think she overcame.
One shouldn't forget that he and Sara have history, so i much less surprised by his reaction to her, he has seen her in a different light compared to the hippy and he dosn't like what he sees. That doesn't mean he hates women, he just doesn't like her.
This i might add is not the only example of somone responding to her insuch a way, Dominic Cooper's character also viewed her as cold and judgemental.
I can see where you are coming from, he was not totally in the right, after all he cheated and he left, but i will defend his monlogue, as i think he makes a good point.
Not sure where you got 'wifebeater' from though...
(sigh...)
i am tired of feeding the trolls, so once more-- b-word=hate speech=n-word. if you would not use one, then you should not use the other, no exceptions. verbal abuse was what was being portrayed, therefore the allusion to "wifebeater classic."
"Ugh! I don't like this." --Ambrose Bierce
Never hard to find a feminist.
Let me guess. Your the only feminist who isn't guilty of what age accuses men of being.
So when you say a gendered word is sexist you never call a man a dick or prick?
You never talk about men in a degrading and sexist way because you don't want to be a hypocrite?
Yeah right. Never meant a feminist who treats men with respect and who doesn't act like a victim to justify her worse sexist attitudes.
Sexism is not bigotry. Sexism is, by definition, a belief in sex. In other words, a recognition that men and women are inherently different in certain ways. No thoughtful person seriously disputes this (although many feminists may).
Bigotry, on the other hand, is defined as intolerance towards other views, or, more generally prejudice -- blindly assuming certain things about an entire group, without basis.
Calling someone you know a "bitch" is not necessarily either. Many women are in fact bitches, just as many men are *beep* If the statement is truthful, there is no basis for condemnation. If he was calling all women bitches, you might have a point. But he is not. Hating one person =/= hating all members of that gender or race. And he also knows her far better than you do. There is clearly something far more sexist in her entire project than there is in his commentary.
P.S.: The word bitch only "affects" 50% of the dog population.
later, troll...
"Ugh! I don't like this." --Ambrose Bierce
Excellent, nay, amazing insight.
When he got through with his speech several thoughts left me hanging: why shouldn't she (his ex) judge him? He admitted he went over to the hippie with intentions of picking her up bc she was "pretty", how does his hearing her rape story change the original intention, which he carried out: to sleep with this other woman? He saw something, he wanted it, he went and got it and now is providing a story to make himself feel better about doing it. Which drives home to your point about the truth of his character: arrogant, dominance-seeking jerkiness.
thanks for your kind thoughts!
"Ugh! I don't like this." --Ambrose Bierce
P.S.: It would presumably be "right" (accurate) to call a black man or woman the n-word if they were acting like an n-word. Chris Rock understands this basic principle, I'm not sure why you don't. The problem is when you use such words simply because someone is black, a woman, etc.
Seriously, your women's studies courses have really distorted your views on this film, as well as on life generally (apparently).
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Inko, with all due respect, it was you who missed the real point of the monologue. The underlying point was actually about love, and the fact that he loved the hippie girl. He believe she could save him, and he was probably right.
The fact she eventually realized this, and realized the sincerity of his speech, is proven by the fact that she later gives this advice to someone else -- "she can save you."
Urgh. Only a woman can save a man.
Horrible message. You never hear the reverse.
Makes my eyes roll when this tripe designed only to make women think men need them more than they need men.
A sexist message I'm sure the feminist wants abolished *rolls eyes*