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It happened in 2000 at Union high SChool, my high school.


I remember her. I went to elementary school with her and she was always different. Very unattractive and nothing like the actress playing her. Why are they calling it Silverton high school? Its Union! Her best friend was a girl who wore a backbrace becuase of scoliosis. They were both really goth by 8th grade. She WAS wiccan and I remember her telling our entire class in 8th grade that she practiced black magic. She and her friend Ashley. I switched high schools in fall of 2000, my freshman year, and thats when it happened. She got accused of putting a "hex" on a teacher, and having a hitlist

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wow! I was beginning to think that maybe It was all in my head. I don't know if she actually practiced it, but I remember her telling everyone that she did. She liked to shock everyone, and this is just another way of her doing so. It sounds her mother had a big part in this little movie, so I'm guessing she pushed for this. I do remember her article in Seventeen magazine about it a few years ago. I wonder if she still lives in Tulsa? Also, I saw the house on the commercial and thats not what her house looks like! I mean they make those houses look really crappy and tiny, and she lived in my old neighborhood which was just an older part of Union. I wouldn't say it was "poor" definately not. They are making her out to be an outcast, like the ONLY Native American in Tulsa! and she was really poor in a school full of wealthy white children, which definately is not true. Union is wayyyyy too big of a district for that!She went to Briarglen. What graduating class are you? I'm 2003. I guess Lifetime tweaked the story a bit to make it seem more dramatic? It did say based on a true story.

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She did practice witchcraft (which is evil!)


I'm awaiting to see this movie when it is aired but there is no such thing as "black magick or white magick" It all depends on how you practice the craft and not it isn't Evil. Just because someone believes in a god and goddess doesn't mean they are evil. The sun is a male god and the moon is a female goddess.

Now you are entitled to your opinion as you expressed but I'm also entitled to express mine. There is nothing evil about loving the world, gods, goddesses, animals, plants, and there is nothing wrong with meditation which is what alot of people use to help them practice the craft. Lighting candles and incense is absolutely fine where did the Christians get the idea for it? Same with holidays too. Surely the Christians couldn't have come up with Yule and Samhain all by themselves

Look all I'm trying to say is we don't believe in hell or the devil since to us to give something a name gives it power. But even if someone does practice "Black Magick" the three-fold law would come back on them.

If I have offened you then I'm sorry. I just don't see how Wicca/WitchCraft/Paganism/Neo-paganism and all other religions like that are evil. I don't think Christainity/Catholicsim/Buddism are evil I respect their opinions and beliefs as long as they don't force it upon me like I'm not trying to force wicca on you I was just letting you know why I don't think it's evil.

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Lindsey-

You might not already know it, but I think you've already seen my thoughts on this film through a discussion board on myspace. My name is Jennifer Taylor, and I graduated from Union High School c/o 2003. I don't think we ever met. I honestly don't mean to sound rude or uncompassionate about this, but that's just how I remember it, as an outsider's point of view.

If you are going to run to your yearbook and look me up, I'll save you some effort (mainly because I've never liked my high school yearbook photos.) I was not part of the "popular" crowd (you know who I'm talking about so I won't mention names.) I was in the marching band, so I stuck to my band clique. Likewise, the cheerleaders stuck with their cheerleading clique, the drama crowd stuck with its drama clique, etc., etc. It's silly, but that's high school. Or- that was high school, since high school is v. much over now.

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Opinions are opinions and I don't even have my yearbook near me. Its in storage. futhermore congrats on being in marching band? I wasn't popular i never wanted to be. I knew girls that were and i talked to them. oh well. My opinoin has been stated and so has yours. no need to say i'm wrong. no need to say you're wrong. Opinions are opinions and thats all i'm going to say about your reply. I'll ask April Farmer if she remembers you because she was in marching band and she is one of my best friends.

Guess what! I've got a fever. And the prescription says MORE COWBELL!

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Ok, I realize the yearbook statement was a bit too cynical, but truth be told, I probably would look you up in mine just out of curiosity. I remember April Farmer, but we weren't great friends- more like acquaintances or friends of friends of friends, you know?

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They don't portray schools properly on any movie made about real life. The Texas Cheerleader "incident" (where the mom tried to kill the other mom so her daughter could be on the cheerleader squad) happened at my school. Granted it was years before I was in the high school, but they didn't even portray Channelview right. It's a Hollywood thing. Just have to accept it.

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What - the cheerleader thing was real?????

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beliefs. I am what YOU PEOPLE like to call a bible thumping christian. I know gays, wiccan people, and girls who have had abortions. All though I DO NOT support what they are doing, or do. I think that the person they are and the quality of their heart is really what matters. I mean not to piss anyone off dont judge people by what you dont know. God loves and forgives keep the peace!

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Witchcraft or practise of it is not evil...like any other regligion, it can be abused and used for the wrong purpose and there are "evil" people in all religions...(just like so many Catholic priests sexually abusing little boys"

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From what I saw in the commercial, I don't think she is being accurately portrayed. She was not a victim as the movie portrays. She did practice witchcraft (which is evil!)

Witch craft is not evil my dear....people are evil and the choices they make are evil.....they are everywhere in every religion.

Been practicing witchcraft for over 20 years and have never done anything but goodness and happiness

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<i>She did practice witchcraft (which is evil!)</i>

*blinks*
Bwahahahahahahahahahahhaaaaa!!!

You know what's evil? Stupidity. Educate yourself.

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Umm actually it is accurate.... because it is in her point of view and not yours and to the user that saids she's not attractive... I saw a picture of her and she is very pretty

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Witchcraft is NOT evil. Get your facts right..

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Wiccan is not evil. just wanted to say that.
and also its just BACED on a true story not the acctual story.

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To my knowledge, the script is loosely based on the case of Brandi Blackbear, so changing the school name is just the tip of the iceberg. Don't be surprised if you see a whole different story being played out, then what you or your friends heard or experienced.

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Okay As said before it is just based on a true story....meaning that not all things are going to be true. And I know this may seem weird but I am going to defend the gothic community especially since I am effected by the portrayal of "gothic" just because someone is goth does not mean they are wiccan or pagan or that they have anything else to do with witchcraft or evil. I think some of you need to broaden your thoughts of gothic and wiccan and stuff. but this is just my opinion.

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What exactly is wiccan?

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Well for starters, Wicca is the Religion, a Wiccan is someone who Practices Wicca.

FAQ's of Witchcraft (Print Version)

Author: Wren
Posted: February 2nd. 1997
Times Viewed: 40,832

Substantially Updated
Monday, March 1st, 1999

What is Witchcraft? Who are these Witches anyway?
A practitioner of a nature-based belief system or religion. Not all Witches follow the same belief system. Some practice what is called the "old religion" which has its roots in pagan pre-monotheistic folk ways and beliefs and usually follows the seasonal cycles. These belief systems or "traditions" of Witches are often based upon the particular culture from whence they originated. Many Witches believe in a polytheistic deity structure (usually based upon the local gods and goddesses of the area of origin), but some simply practice magick (sometimes spelled with a 'k' to differentiate it from stage magic). Witches may practice alone as 'solitaries" or in covens. There are also family groups or traditions which trace their practices and beliefs within the same close group throughout several generations.

Traditional Wicca:
A modern form of Witchcraft is called "Wicca." Traditional Wicca is based on the teachings of Gerald Gardner, is coven based and each coven can trace its lineage (line of teaching passed on by initiated Traditional priests and priestesses) back to Gardner himself. There are offshoots of Gardnerian Traditional Wicca such as Alexandrian Wicca, Georgian Wicca and many others. Traditional Wiccans are considered a 'mystery' religion, require initiation by the coven and have a "degree system" or different levels of rank based upon coven training and the readiness of the initiate to accept the duties and responsibilities of that degree. They have a core of inner knowledge-often called the "Book of Shadows"-which is known only to initiated Wiccans. Most Traditional Wiccans believe in the balance of male-female divinity. Traditional Wiccans are seldom solitary except for those 'Elders'-usually former priests and priestesses-who may have retired from active coven involvement.

Other Forms of Wicca:
A newer form of Wicca has developed since the 1970's which is looser in structure and practice than the Traditional Wicca. These practitioners may follow a mixture of various or "eclectic' pagan and/or non-pagan beliefs. Some have formed 'traditions' or covens of their own, with or without a degree system, and have written a "book of shadows" outlining their own belief system and coven structure. Many are solitary practitioners who practice their beliefs and formulate their rituals in their own way.

Pagans:
Since the terms Witch and Wiccan are often mistakenly interchanged, many simply call themselves "pagans" or Neo-pagans" when talking with others who may not be familiar with the complexity of the different belief systems. But just as not all Christians are Lutheran or Catholic, so not all pagans are Witches or Wiccan. Neo-paganism is a term used most often to describe people who follow an earth-based belief system or religion. Druids and the Norse tradition of Asatru (who tend to prefer the term 'heathen") are considered to be pagan belief systems, but their adherents are neither Witches nor Wiccans. Neo-paganism should also not be confused with the "New Age" movement as pagans are almost exclusively involved in distinctive nature religions or earth-based practices while New Age spirituality draws from many sources and esoteric spiritual techniques.

Q: Are you a good Witch or a bad Witch?
A: When you ask if someone is a "good" Witch or a "bad" Witch, it is the same as asking someone if they are a "good" Presbyterian or a "bad" Presbyterian. Wiccans adhere to the Rede, "An it harm none, do as ye will." Witches, Druids and other pagan belief systems and religions have their own ethical standards. There are good and bad people in every society and in every religion. When a person breaks the laws of society or the tenets of their religion, they are called to account for their actions. To judge a person as either "good" or "bad" based upon nothing more than their religious preference alone has a label, too. It is called bigotry.

Q: Do you worship Satan?
A: Satan is a part of the Christian and Muslim religions. Since pagans are neither Christian nor Muslim, Satan is not part of our deity structure at all.

We believe that each and every human being is completely responsible for his or her own actions. To us, evil is a choice, albeit a bad one, that a human might make, not an embodied entity to blame our actions upon.

If an individual chooses to do evil, most pagans believe they will be punished via the laws of karma or as a result of "cause and effect.". In other words, "What goes around usually comes around."

Many Witches and Wiccans believe in some form of reincarnation, that the results or karma of past deeds can follow a person from one life to the next. This may also help to explain why terrible things sometimes happen to wonderful people or why some people seem to have been born with certain skills and knowledge. It may also explain why some people seem to lead a 'charmed" life.

Some pagans believe in an after-life spent in another plain of existence. Known as Summerland, Avalon, Valhalla or simply the "Other Side', they believe that they will be reunited here once again with friends and family.

Q: So why do you use that "Satanic" symbol?
A: The pentagram, or five pointed star, is not Satanic. Pythagoras used it as a symbol of health and his followers wore them in order to recognize one another. In Medieval times, some Christian knights used the pentagram as their symbol. To modern Wiccans the pentagram means many things; The five points correspond to the elements Air, Earth, Fire and Water with the top point corresponding to "Spirit". The pentagram in a circle may also represent a human with their legs and arms outstretched, surrounded by universal wisdom or the "Goddess" - humankind at one with the environment. Many Witches and other pagan practitioners do not wear the pentacle at all, but have other symbols of special meaning to them.

Satanists turn the symbol upside-down, which puts the elements of Fire and Earth at the top (Fire symbolizes willpower and passion and Earth, prosperity and earthly goods) and Spirit, spirituality, at the bottom. Satanists also turn the cross upside-down. This, in itself, does not make the cross or pentagram a Satanic symbol. In some Wiccan traditions, the reversed pentagram is a symbol of "second degree" status - one who has been elevated from "initiate". To members of these traditions, the reversed pentagram is considered highly positive and has no connection to Satanism. A symbol is simply an image or mark in itself. It is the mind and the beliefs of the beholder which attribute to it a particular meaning.

Q: Do you do blood sacrifice?
A: Goddess NO! The nature of sacrifice is to give up something of one's own in order to gain something more important. Wiccans believe in the sanctity of all life. Most pagans believe that animals are part of the same natural cycle of life as humans are. Witches have long been associated with animal companions known as "familiars."

Q: Do Witches and Wiccans cast spells?
A: Yes. Well, some do anyway. However, the term "spell" is widely misunderstood.

Spells, are somewhat like prayers and are used to create needed change in one's own life or the life of a loved one. But while prayers are a petition to an external Deity to create the change, most Witches and Wiccans believe that Deity is present in everything, including ourselves. Spells, then, are the channeling of our own divine selves, our own energies, to create the change.

Spells such as those which use love magic to gain the attention of a specific individual, or curses, are considered "manipulative". Most Wiccans believe that anything manipulative-that goes against the free will of another-is considered wrong. Many other pagan paths have similar codes of conduct based upon the tenets of their tradition or belief and almost all believe that the responsibility for their actions will lie with them.

Q: Are Witchcraft or Wicca cults?
A: A cult by definition is a group of people who blindly follow one leader. As Witches, Wiccans and pagans tend to be free-thinkers, there is no one person that we consider to be THE leader. Thus we cannot be called a cult.

Q: Do you have ritual orgies?
A: These rumors come from our lack of taboos regarding sex. We have no rules which prohibit homosexuality, nudity or pre-marital sex. Sex as the generative force in nature is seen by most pagans as something utterly sacred. We feel that the physical act of love is to be approached with great respect and responsibility.

Q: Why do all Witches/Wiccans wear black?
A: We all don't. Many Witches/Wiccans actually seem to favor green and/or purple. Black, however, is in many cultures a symbol of clergy. Priests, Ministers and Rabbis all favor black as the main color of their ritual garb.

Scientifically speaking, color is energy. The colors you see are the ones which are reflected and not the ones absorbed. Therefore, what appears to be white, which is the culmination of all colors in the light spectrum, is actually reflecting all colors and absorbing none. What appears to be black, is absorbing all colors and reflecting none. This is evident in the fact that when one is wearing white, one feels cooler - as the fabric is sending the heat energy outward, and when one wears black - the heat energy is absorbed in the cloth that one is wearing, making one feel warmer. Many Witches feel that wearing black attracts and holds more natural energy.

Q: Aren't all Witches Women?
A: No. Neither are Wiccans or those in other pagan paths. Witches can be either men or women. The term "Warlock" is never used to describe a male Witch as it is considered to be a religious slur. "Warlock" is an old Scottish word meaning "traitor" or "oath-breaker". Men and Women alike can be Witches, Wiccans or pagans.

Q: Why would anyone want to be a pagan, a Witch or Wiccan?
A: People are generally drawn to Wicca and other pagan paths for several reasons. Many women feel left out of more mainstream religions because of the lack of feminine divinity. For them, the Wiccan concept of the Goddess as Mother of all Living fills an empty space in their spiritual search. As a nature based religion, Witchcraft also appeals to those who feel a strong need to "get back to the Earth" and places a major importance on protecting the environment, which we are a part of, not apart from. People drawn to the mystical find pagan belief systems much more accommodating as we do not see anything unnatural about psychic ability or the use of magic to create needed changes in one's life. It gives us the freedom to make our own decisions about what is best for us.

Q: How do you convert new Witches/Wiccans/pagans?
A: We don't. We feel that the attempted conversion of others is a form of religious bigotry. i.e. If one tries to convert another to his/her religion, s/he assumes that the other person's beliefs are not as valid as his/her own. We feel that all paths are equally valid as long as they do not infringe upon the basic civil rights or free will of another. According to our beliefs, it is up to the individual to choose his or her own path. We do not try to manipulate others into our way of thinking, we only try to educate others about our religion so that they may better understand us. We do, however try to help guide those who have already expressed an interest in the pagan belief systems or religions.

Q: So what do Witches/Wiccans/pagans DO?
A: Pretty much what everybody does. We come from all walks of life. We raise families, go to work, throw steaks (or vegetables) on the "barbie" and hang out with our friends. We practice our religions and belief systems, celebrate our holidays with festivals and continue to study and explore our past while contemplating our futures.

Many covens and groups meet once a month to worship together under the moon. Pagans tend to hold ceremonies or "circles" out of doors as we feel that being with nature brings us closer to the divinity who creates it.

Some pagan beliefs may seem strange to those who have not heard much about them before. Pagans, on the other hand, are usually very well versed in the beliefs of other religions. They find the various religious systems interesting and often encourage their own children to learn about these other religions. Pagans believe in free will and free choice and that an educated choice is always better than blind obedience to any religion or dogma. We are not "against" other religions. We have simply made our choice to be pagan and we expect others to respect that choice as we respect theirs.

All that we ask is that we are allowed to practice our religion without prejudice or interference as is our right guaranteed here in the United States under the Constitution and as outlined within the constitutions of many other countries. The freedom to practice religion -or no religion-as you choose-whether it be Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist or Pagan-is the freedom to follow your spirit and your heart. This precious freedom must be defended, protected and treasured by all or it will no longer be guaranteed for anyone.

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That's a very clear and comprehensive explanation. Thank you.

BBL

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I don't really care if shes wiccan or whatever, yes I think its really lame that they suspended her becuase of "putting a hex on a teacher" or allegedly doing so. I've had alot of trouble with the administration at union, a bunch of *beep* I just didn't get why she made such a big deal about not practicing witchcraft or being wiccan, becuase she did. Well..She said she did at least, plus, its not like she was the only goth at our school. More like 1 out of 100. She really fit in quite well.

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They shouldn't have suspended her, even though she did practice witchcraft, and witchcraft is not bad, it only depends on how you want to practice it. The school administration is really screwed up.

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This is honestly the most disgusting topic I've ever read. Ignorance is bliss right? I'm glad I don't go to Union - I probably would have done something crazy...

Like practice my own religious beliefs,
or maybe wear whatever I want to.
Hmm.

It's sad you little girls are still gossiping on these boards about what happened.
Small town life, huh?

This movie looks like it's going to be great - I can't wait to see it!

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Wicca is a religion just like any other... the main difference being that in Wicca you worship and respect the powers of the earth, you don't discriminate against others (like Christinas do with gays) and you believe in a goddess, not just a male god figure. That's the tip of it. It's nothing to be scared of. The Bible is way scarier!

You can google it and read Wiccan websites and message boards for yourself and see. It's not like casting spells and turning people into frogs.

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Not all christians discriminate against gays. Funny how if you're a Christian you're automatically ASSUMED to be certain things! I know several Christians and not any 2 of them have exactly the same beliefs. The real discrimination is in thinking that you can label someone so callously and patently. Enjoy your narrowmindedness.

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Being against something is not necessarily discrimination..Being a racist, that's discrimination, but if you have a firm belief in something, and are against a certain thing that goes against it, that's not discrimination. And thank you for stereotyping. I, myself, am against homosexuality and abortion, but I don't hate gays or women who've had abortions. I'm allowed to be against something without hating the person who is/has done it. Please get your facts straight :)

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Wow, what an awesome post. I mean what I am about to post to mean no offense to you open minded Oklahomians (my appologies now), but I can only imagine how Wiccan could be misinterpetted in the Bible belt.....ex. I am Wiccan myself.....had a friend from Tulsa--big fundie, falling on the ground, bible thumper, he thought I was a great, wonderful, caring and giving person, once he realized my religion, he thought I was of the devil and has refused to speak (it has been almost 2 years-lol).....side note: I am from the east coast

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Oklahomans formally. Okies informally.

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Very unattractive and nothing like the actress playing her.


Ohh no, not very unattractive!!! Then she must be a witch. Let's burn her at the stake!!!

A person's look has NO bearing on their strength of character. But as a Wiccan, I have to say, it DOES NOT NOR EVER HAVE involved black magic. Black Magic is a whole other ball game.......as is being Goth.

DO you really believe that in this vain world Hollywood would hire an unattractive or even average looking person for a movie role?

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It's interesting, as I read these posts, to see how some of you respond to remarks made by people with beliefs that are different from your own. It is really easy to catagorize people because of personal experiences. That seems to be kind of what Union did...catagorize. In any case, I hope this show will get people talking about religion, and get people investigating what they believe in. I'm a Christian and I know God loves everyone...no matter what they believe in, and that's how I strive to live my life as well.

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I'm a Christian and I know God loves everyone...no matter what they believe in, and that's how I strive to live my life as well.

AWESOME POST!!! THANK YOU

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I think you're all stupid.

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1st of all euphoriaVictoria... this is a discussion so if you feel that way than your the ignorant idiot.

Second of all, my best friend is a Wicca and I know the religion and I know that it is not evil at all. In fact it seems more humane that most of the more popular religions. I mean it has been around since before Christianity. Also, it is studied in many different cultures and used it, whether they are called high priest/priestress, shamen, medicine woman, or whatever they are called in African culture (I always forget this one.). Also, whoever thinks witchcraft is evil are dead wrong.... many people that are accepted by society, who study magic are practicing the same thing just because its illusions now they think it's harmless... well magic was derived from magik or magick which would be called witchcraft.

Finally, the main reason why it isn't evil is because a idea or practice can not be evil because evil is a adjective that is used to describe a living thing or to describe something a action that has been done by the living thing. So witchcraft is only evil in the hands of an evil person where as it is good when in the hands of a good person and it was never really intended to be a evil thing any way... igorant a** male sexists created the idea of it being evil and the idea of green long nosed hags they referred to as witches because they assumed that if a woman was doing something evil or un godly because woman were SUPPOSEd to be (in their sexist eyes) inferior and weak.... that's really all I have to say about this subject..

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Awesome post teenwrestler ga........."KUDOS" to you : )

euphoriaVictoria.........get a freaking clue

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Wiccan/Wiccan is a religion, You can't suspend a teen for practicing wiccan

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I think it must be a bunch of cuckoos that run the school if they believe in hexes.

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OH MY FREAKING GOD. They didn't suspend her for practicing witch craft and they didn't suspend her for 'performing a hex', okay? Jesus Christ people, don't you listen?!

Bushyhead (yes, that's his real name) suspended her because she was disrupting the learning process, and YES, she was. Apparently she one day walked into class and her teacher made her mad, so she 'put a hex on him'. That night he had to be hospitalized, so the next day everyone freaked out thinking that it was her that was the cause. She took advantage of that wonderful opportunity and threatened some people she didn't like, saying she'd do the same thing to them. A bunch of people just kept getting freaked out and a lot of people weren't paying attention in class anymore, grades were starting to go down. That's why Bushyhead suspended her - and that's why it says "Based on a true story", because a lot of things are changed in that movie. Union High School (which I go to) isn't a 'rich kid' high school. In fact, I can count the number of rich kids that go to my school on one hand. True, kids can be harsh and outcast people - but not for witchcraft. Probably 1/3 of the people I know practice it. People don't stop in the hallways and whisper "Guess who's into witchcraft?" because people really don't care. Basically all it means anymore is you can expect to see that person wearing either a lot of black, a lot of metal, or a lot of ink in the shape of pentacles and other geometric shapes.

Yeah, the people are pretty weird in the movie and don't have much of a reason for suspending her, but that's far from what happened in real life.

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"I would imagine that doing what Brandi did was her way of fighting back, just as shooting up the school at Columbine and trying to kill all the IN kids was their way of fighting back. If kids didn't have to be so cruel and would accept people as they are, things like this would never happen."

I get what you are generally trying to say... but I have a problem with these few statements. Kids are awful and cruel, and they have been for years, yes.But it seems as if the way you worded this inadvertedly makes what those two guys did understandable. It's NOT. It's MURDER. I, too, was picked on in school and considered an outcast. But I consider myself ABSOLUTELY NOTHING like the boys at Columbine. I am nitpicking, and I'm sorry, but the Columbine massacre should not be reduced down to "they were picked on so they were getting back at the school". They were a LOT more messed up than that.

With that in mind, again, I get the general idea of what you're trying to say... but I really don't think Brandi is comparable to the boys at Columbine either. I know there is mention of that in the description and in the movie itself... and I will read up on the story, but there is a BIG difference between "Well, I'm different, no one will accept me, everyone's so mean to me, this sucks".... and "I think I'll shoot up the school."

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OK, I was waiting for the Columbine reference so I could reply. I graduated from Columbine in 1984, well before the shooting. The two boys who shot everyone weren't picked on because they were different. They were unsupervised, rebellious boys who planned the "massacre" (1st degree homicide.) I blame the parents, as I do with every case of kids doing stupid things. As a parent, I actually stay home with my kids and raise them (wow, what a concept), try to work at home, and supervise them so they will, hopefully, grow up to be caring and compassionate people.

Prejudice is learned, not inherent, and it is the parents'/teachers'/etc. responsibility to teach this concept.

I'm mid-movie as I write this, and I hope the school district gets what it deserves -- propogating the same BS as the students against Brandi, for shame.



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I don't agree that prejudicism is learned..not necessarily in the home. I know several people who are racist but have NOT been raised that way by their families..more of a media/friends/society influence maybe.

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The Columbine references throughout the film are also GROSSLY over-exaggerated. As I said before, I went to Union High School while all this was going on. There were no metal detectors. No random backpack searches- indeed, the faculty and administration took students' privacy seriously. No security officers in every hall. Our "zero-tolerance" policy was mentioned probably once the entire time I attended the school. The only security measures taken included having to check in at the front office if you were a guest to the school.

The film in itself seems to have nothing to do with the Union High School I remember, other than a few shared names. I think it's really Lifetime "propogating the same BS", as you put it. And I agree. It's crap. Good grief, how many times must I say that students DIDN'T torment Brandi Blackbear simply to have someone to torment. We were all too busy keeping up with our own lives to worry about making someone else's hell.

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i pretty much agree with you, grumpynat.

and as long as i'm commenting here, i might as well mention that i finished watching the movie. people are saying that it wasn't an accurate portrayal, but i still enjoyed the movie itself and the overall message. and lifetime is lifetime. lol. i could actually relate, because my best friend in high school was wiccan, and got asked on a regular basis if she worshipped satan or if she was a witch. *rolls eyes* it got really old, really fast. for a while, i was one of the only students who gave her a chance. :/

i only brought up the columbine thing in my earlier post partly because i found it weird that people were comparing her to them. but that was before i read up a bit more and realized it was right after it happened. thinking back, my school (in a small town in michigan) had some drastic changes after it as well. (which as some people from UNION have said in the thread, did wane after a while, but right after it there was some hardcore changes at my school)...even if that wasn't accurately portrayed in the movie, our school got better security cameras after it, we were required to wear id badges, we had lots of school policy changes, etc. so that, even if it wasn't quite accurate and it was grossly overexaggerated... i could relate to in the movie too.

i walked away from the movie with two different main ideas-- that you shouldnt immediately lump people into a category or make assumptions, and NO ONE should be punished simply because they are not in the majority.... and also, that hysteria only creates more problems. unfortuantely those are issues that are ongoing, so hopefully the movie will get people to start thinking.

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Generally, movies based on the teenage high school scene will be twisted and contorted to look like your stereotypical high school. There will always be the in crowd and the out crowd, just like there is in this movie.

You have to expect there to be stereotypes and inconsistencies for the simple fact that this IS a movie. The writers and directors will do certain things to make the movie seem like its about a girl who "dared to be different", even when that probably isn't the case at all.

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