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Why such a low rating?


The response to the film's early screenings (before its release in Berlin) seemed to be quite positive, so why has it gotten such low ratings now that it's been released? :(

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The film got many good reviews at Berlin and at the screening they held in Paris so I don't know why its low but its definitely going to get higher once the film is released.

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Thanks for the info about the reviews, that's lovely to hear. The trailer just looked so promising that I was astonished the rating wasn't higher (but I suppose 20 votes is hardly a fair cross section to go on)

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I've seen it and while I didn't rate it on IMDB, I think the rating is justified.

The problem is that the movie switches between genres - the first half of the movie is like a parody of a melodrama, but the second half is pretty much straightforwardly melodrama - and that doesn't work at all, because it makes it really hard to connect with the characters.

It doesn't help that the protagonist is neither really sympathetic nor ever evolves from being a selfish brat, especially since the movie is about her. But that Ozon can't really decide whether to make the audience laugh about the movie's phoniness or cry about the movie's tragic events is really its major failure.

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Variety also gave it a bad review. They said one of the problems is that it is miscast. I don't know, but I still want to see it and hope it gets released in the US. There have been many times I've enjoyed a film that critics have not.

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MISCAST?!?!!?

Who are they kidding, I think the movie has spectacular casting and it got a standing ovation at Berlin with many hailing Romola Garai's performance comparing it to Scarlett O'Hara.

I think the movie will do just fine and will open many new doors for Francois Ozon. Many who saw the screeing in Paris were very happy with the results and I for one am DYING to see the movie.

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^ I want to see it as well and judge for myself. I'm actually sort of even more intrigued now that it's been getting a positive reception from some and a critical reception from others. lol I hope it's released in Canada soon, but I suppose it will take time

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I totally agree with Hanin. Plus Ozon seemed to be worried to show us that he can do this kind of films, but his lack of inspiration is all over the film. i think that those funny akward moments were the only sincere ones.

So, despite the beautiful art direction, cinematography, the clever acting (above the line for 'Angel' but it was the role) the interesting ending (about who's going to be remembered in art - maybe the most important point of the movie) and some evocative shots, I found the movie really really boring. I couldn't wait for it to be boring.

And I wasn't the only one: I saw it at the Berlin film festival, and the public was confused and totally bored by this film: I can assure you there were no standing ovations.

Too bad, I like François Ozon very much. I look forward his next film anyway.

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"The problem is that the movie switches between genres - the first half of the movie is like a parody of a melodrama, but the second half is pretty much straightforwardly melodrama - and that doesn't work at all, because it makes it really hard to connect with the characters."

I just watched it at home. You hit the nail on the head, though I feel Fassbender at times acted as though he was in a *real* drama at times and that threw me off as well. The "joke" became not so funny and Angel's eulogy was jarring. I thought, "Oh, that's right...this is supposed to be a parody of a melodrama". I couldn't keep connected to the movie because I couldn't trust it

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That ratings stuff seems a little bit mysterious and temporary to me since I'm convinced the movie, in its subject and the way Ozon deals with it, will find its way among viewers. As I wrote in a previous message about "Angel", I liked very much the way Ozon plays with definite movie genres such as melodrama and injects irony and distance into his twisted storyline and its caracters. The main thing is that although litterature and the fame it brings with it are addressed, they are not done in a litteral way. That feeling seems also shared when you read the first reviews published in France lately such as the positive one written in a monthly cinema magazine I bought two days ago and I agree with what they write about the movie. They also give it a high rating.

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PLEASE keep us updated on how the movie is recieved in Fracne as its opening there first FromPariswithlove.

I think the movie will do really love and having read the book and that low rated review I think Francois has stayed really close to the book - and for those who haven't read it I think the movie will be difficult for them to digest.

The movie is suppose to be melodramatic, filled with drama and the main character of Angel Deverall is suppose to be a person people wont warm too.

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Talking about ratings and reviews, I just wanted to share a review published last week in the "Hollywood Reporter" during the Berlin Film Festival.
( I'm sorry, I have not mastered yet the art of "linking" to an already published article, that's why I pasted the whole review instead of putting the link)

Berlin Festival - If Steven Soderbergh's touchstone for "The Good German" was early 1940s Warner Bros., then Francois Ozon's inspiration for his lavish screen adaptation of Elizabeth Taylor's 1957 Edwardian-era novel "Angel" is late 1930s MGM. More specifically, it's a Technicolor costume drama about a pre-feminist woman, battling her way to fame and fortune, choosing and fulfilling her own destiny against all odds through dint of her talent and ostentatious behavior.

Like Soderbergh, Ozon isn't content with mere pastiche. He wants to re-examine the social mores and emotional complexities of a particular era's take on such a personality and the society that produced her. He is seeking a psychological truth that goes beyond cinematic artifice about a nouveau-riche woman who wills herself into existence.

"Angel," the last Competition film to debut at the Berlin International Film Festival, plays to several audiences, the most obvious being older women and cineastes who will delight in the old-fashioned process shots, framing, editing, musical score and the colors and refinery of the costumes. Ozon's name certainly assures solid boxoffice in western Europe and in all probability North American art houses.

Angel Deverell, played with fierce emotional abandon by Romola Garai, is a tempestuous and troubling heroine, who fascinates even as she appalls.
Scarlett O'Hara comes to mind as a model, but unlike the daughter of Southern nobility, Angel is not to the manor born. Indeed, the movie begins with her living in a comfortably shabby flat above the provincial
grocery store her mom owns and runs.

The thing that must be understood about Angel, though, is she is never, not even once, in touch with her actual reality. To fulfill a school
assignment to describe her home, she describes an estate known as Paradise House on the outskirts of Norley, the town she lives in and hates.

She dwells in her fiction. When she announces she will be a great and famous author, everyone is incensed at her presumption. Naturally, before the film is a half-hour old, Angel has accomplished all of this.

Her romantic novels, written, we are led to believe, without a scintilla of literary merit, capture the public's imagination, especially female
readers, before World War I. What apparently makes her fiction work is her utter belief in the world of her imagination.

She winds up buying Paradise House, brings her bewildered mother there
-- even insisting on piano lessons in a hopeless effort to turn mom into a lady -- fills the house with various cats, dogs and parrots and imports a strange menage a trois into the household.

The latter includes two offspring of the local lord. Nora (Lucy Russell), a plain woman who adores Angel's novels and tries to hide a physical passion for her, joins the household as Angel's assistant and secretary. Meanwhile, Angel falls instantly in love with Nora's black-sheep brother Esme (Michael Fassbender), who has embraced the bohemian lifestyle of the starving painter.

The two are soul mates, passionate about their art. Yet Esme finds solace in the public's rejection of his "smudge" paintings, a kind of impressionism without any true soul. The two enjoy brief marital bliss until war breaks out. He abruptly enlists, which Angel interrupts as abandonment and betrayal.

Our Angel is no angel. At her best she is selfish and delusional. At her worst, downright rude, a social monster who speaks her mind and cares not whom she offends. Her taste is extravagant, just short of dreadful. But she is sincere. She exists in a world designed by her imagination.

Garai attacks the role with absolute relish. For all the histrionics, this is the performance of an actress savvy enough to maintain her character on two distinct levels: There is the highly artificial surface of mercurial mood swings and love for deep-dish theatricality. The other, percolating underneath the surface, is the steely determination,
absolute self-conviction and contempt for all who stand in her way.

Holding his own as her lover, Fassbender gets the cynicism and arrogance that cover up his character's embarrassment at his failure as an artist.
Meanwhile, in a terrific supporting role, Russell is the rock that grounds her mistress in some sort of reality.

As Angel's publisher and his wife, Sam Neill and Charlotte Rampling reflect the division of opinion on Angel's talents. The publisher recognizes the talent others don't. His wife sees only the manipulation and shallowness yet is oddly sympathetic when the delusions crumble.

Ozon surrounds his heroine with costumes, decor and pets to please her imperious moods. Denis Lenoir's widescreen cinematography and Muriel Breton's unruffled editing beautifully express the MGM style of a bygone era. Philippe Rombi's music is perfect faux Max Steiner, being closest to his treasured score for "Now Voyager."

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Can't wait for it to open here in London, people in Paris PLZZZZZZZ keep us posted on the films reception there.

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I saw this last week in France (Cine Libre, Brest). I have to say, the IMDB rating, is, in my opinion, entirely justified. Firstly, I'd say it has a GOOD cast, with the possible exception of the lead - she may be a very good actor, but this material leaves her playing a spoiled little girl for most of the film. I'm not a big fan of very melodramatic films, but this goes way beyond that, with dialog that verges on over-romantic drivel at times: "Oh, how I long for that little grocer's shop"!!! There are also some very odd old-style back-projection scenes when Angel tours London in a carriage.

I think the film COULD have worked if it had really emphasised Angel's total fantasy world. This could have been juxtaposed with her tragic circumstances later. But that doesn't happen. Reading between the lines, the film does seem to be set up to reflect Angel's romantic drivel novels on screen (like Tristram Shandy) but it isn't convincing in that respect, either.

Sadly, the rating is justified, and I would be surprised to see it rise with wider distribution. Not sure when it will be released in the UK.

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For people who haven't read the book it will be difficult for them to connect with the movie and the character of Angel Deverell.

I have read the book and from the trailer it looks as if Romola Garai was perfectly cast and has done a wonderful job of portraying Angel. Angel is not at all a likeable character and the reader will never sympathise with her.

I know the critics liked it but Ozon's movies are always 50/50 with the audience. I for one can't wait for the movie to be relased in the UK, which I know it will since good or bad the world is eagerly awaiting Francois Ozon's first english language feature.

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I kindly remind you that Variety and The Hollywood Reporter do not publish critiques, but technical analysis of box-office chances for distributors and industry workers. That's why this 'review' is mainly a resumé of the story. I don't think it really counts in evaluating the movie as a moviegoer.

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actually, from what I saw from the trailer, the ratings are way too high oO

let me explain that.
I went to the movies for another excellent piece of film, and while I sat there waiting for it to begin, the trailer came on.

It was about the most greasy-slimy piece of film I ever saw... speaking in terms of exaggeration, everything was so much way-too-much that it was not only unreal, but also embarrassing. I don't generally object this film genre (I mean the one where love and that kind of stuff is being displayed and handled in such an emphatic war), but this time I really could not see how a film director could waste his time with such a superfluous film.

Now while some of you who like / will eventually like this film might think I'm completely stupid for not liking it, you can agree that it could be true that it is indeed very unreal and over-the-top - and that exactly the same subjects were all handled by better writers during the last few centuries?


or did I miss a point and this is just for the people who also love reading tabloid press?

greets.

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I don't understand all the criticism. Today I am going to watch it in cinema in Holland for the 4th time and I can't get enough of it and I am NOT someone who at all reads or enjoys tabloids or the sort of novels Angel Deverell writes but you can watch this movie at various levels. I love it for the costumes, art direction, cinematography ,music and the spectacular acting, It is NOT miscast at all. It is just perfectly cast. If anything is lacking it will be because of the funding. Ozon had troubles getting it funded and had to shoot big parts in Belgium because he at first did not get enough cooperation in Britain.
The few parts where a background was running was cleverly done as to make it look like a 1940's film which were also never shot on real locations.
Just read the interviews at www.francois-ozon.com and all will be clear and if one still does not agree or like it: too bad for him/her that one cannot enjoy
such pleasures as this movie offers, or that they all take it so seriously.
There is a HUGE multitude of things to enjoy in this movie. Why wasting a life by not being able to enjoy such things?
And for the record; I am mainly interested in really good literature, art, opera, classical music, nature and consider myself to have great taste but/and I know how to enjoy beauty where it exists, which is the essence of life.

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it was worst movie I have ever seen,really, such a stupid! first part of the movie was like poor, idiotic comedy, and the end was like trite, banal drama , gosh, sh*t,not film.

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Here in Italy the critics loved it!
I've read no negative review so far.

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Critics at Toronto loved it and applauded Romola's performance ( actually her performanc was lauded every where ).

Francois Ozon is one of those directors who can never disappoint. I am watching the movie at the LFF.

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I don't think it had anything to do with the acting, Romola was convincing as an egocentric child who never grew up. The movie was tacky (I am mainly referring to the "montage" of her success, with the spinning book covers, etc.) and the story itself was overly predictable. I can't honestly think of a single thing which surprised the viewer, and, upon leaving the cinema I was left totally cold.
Most disappointing.

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This movie is an insidious malicious caricature of Melodrama
The over predictability of the story is totally intentional

/ana:l nathrakh, u:rth va:s bethud, dokhje:l djenve:/.

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I watched it this morning and loved it, maybe because I love costume movies. From the beginning it was easy to see Angel was living in a fantasy world of her own, so it was easy to just go with it and enjoy the ride. The rise and fall of a woman who knew what she wanted, and lived it.

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The rating is far too high for this movie. Have seen many other 6-rated movies (IMDB scale) that were far better than this one. Too many big name stars suckered me into this film but the story and the acting of Romola Garai are inexcusable.

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