I'm sorry, but 'Mick' is not at all cool, he is a complete loser, douche, dork who is trying to be a tough guy, bad ass. The fact that this is Durst's image ( and the image of himself that he's tried so hard to project onto the public ) of a 'cool' guy just provides further, unneeded proof that he is the biggest douche of all time.
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.
He didn't write the script. And you clearly went into the film with prejudices already in place.
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He may not have written it, but he did CHOOSE to direct it, which means he told the character HOW TO ACT, and he acted like a complete douche. And no I did not "go into the film with prejudices", I had no idea who directed the movie until about an hour in when I had to find out who could make such a crap movie.
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.
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I know that his character was a douche. The only problem with this is that he was not supposed to be, he was supposed to be an a$$hole, a cool tough guy and several other things I suppose, but none of which include being a douche. He came across as a douche because Durst's image of cool that he was trying to portray is not at all cool, but just about epitomizes what a douchebag is.
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.
The film - and by extension, Durst as the director - doesn't ever try to argue that Mick is cool... If anything, the movie is about Durst trying to grow away from his own image, so he should get credit for that.
"I've been turned down more times than the beds at the Holiday Inn; I still try"
Agreed, Howlin Wolf.
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"doesn't ever try to argue that Mick is cool."
Actually, it does exactly that. From the very first scene in the movie they try to project his being 'cool' with all the kids staring at him in aw from the bus, and the one kid gets so excited when he acknowledges him, why would this be if he wasn't cool? Through the whole movie they show how everyone thinks that he's cool, everyone always wants to hang around him and the girls want him.
"the movie is about Durst trying to grow away from his own image"
I really have no idea what you're talking about here. I would very much appreciate it if you would elaborate. Durst's public image is not of him being a tough guy, badass, although, that is the image that he has so desperately tried to portray to the public.
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.
Kids look at bullies with a mixture of fear and respect - briefly acknowledging the truth of this doesn't mean it's meant to be the overarching theme of the movie... Plus; they're kids, even if it were true that he's seen as cool from their point of view, what does this prove in relation to adults? Kids think people who can burp the alphabet are cool, by and large they are very superficial, which is another way to interpret that scene.
Girls are often attracted to bad boys, and the inclusion of this detail can be explained away in much the same fashion as above. We mostly see events from the perspective of Charlie Banks, who is conflicted at certain points because he wonders if Mick is a nice guy at heart, but he never sees him as "cool"; he's constantly apprehensive around him, in fact.
Mick wants to be taken seriously and lead a privileged life, but his background and attitude combine to get in the way of that aspiration... Now; take your opinion of Durst, and tell me that this movie isn't HIS attempt to be taken seriously after some immaturity in the past... Whether it works or not is entirely subjective, but I'm sure he saw something of himself in Mick's journey.
"I've been turned down more times than the beds at the Holiday Inn; I still try"
O.K, let me clarify my response. Mick is portrayed as a tough guy, bad ass, criminal which is Durst's perception of a 'cool' guy, if not he wouldn't have tried so hard throughout his career to reflect that image upon himself. Dusrt has always been the guy who has to brag about every girl who ever looked at him because he equates being a 'player' to being 'cool'. He reminds me of the kids in school who would make up a story about being arrested because they think that it made them look cool.
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.
Maybe it was when he started his career... People can change as they get older, even Durst... Perhaps the film presents an alternative view to how he used to think.
If we were meant to come away thinking that the makers admire Mick, then no way could they have gotten away with having him headbutt Mary... Not even Durst is that insensitive.
You're doing exactly what someone else has already accused you of doing; taking your interpretation of Fred's music persona and bringing it to the movie. It's not about how he might be seen in public, it's about what, if anything, he brings to the material. There is a difference, a shift in tone, between his music and the movie; perhaps according to the assessment of some people it fails, but it's there.
"I've been turned down more times than the beds at the Holiday Inn; I still try"
All I can say is that I am very disappointed that someone with enough good taste to be a fan of Howllin Wolf is also a fan of Fred (Douchebag) Durst. Shame on you!
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.
A) "Howlin Wolf" isn't a tribute to the musician
and:
B) Who says I'm a 'Fred Durst fan', just because I'm arguing without prejudice?!
"I've been turned down more times than the beds at the Holiday Inn; I still try"
Yes, it's a flat fact that some of us just really like this movie and couldn't give a rat's ass one way or another about Durst.
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"A) "Howlin Wolf" isn't a tribute to the musician"
I should have known better.
"B) Who says I'm a 'Fred Durst fan', just because I'm arguing without prejudice?!"
Uhhh... you're a fan of a movie made by Durst, hmm... how would I ever get the idea that you're a fan of Durst's "work". Sorry to kill your "AH HAH" moment.
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.
The work and the person are separate. I'm not a fan of his music and I don't like some of his behaviour that I've seen documented in the news and the videos I've seen on MTV... Doesn't mean I'm incapable of acknowledging it when I believe he's put out some good work, as is the case with this film, in my opinion. By your logic, you couldn't ever admit to liking some of the man's work even if you wanted to, because you don't like the man himself. This proves our point that you are letting your personal disdain for the guy unfairly colour your assessment of any directing ability he may have.
I can admit I love some of Phil Spector's music; that doesn't mean I'm not aware that he's an unhinged individual... Looking at things in black and white terms tends to hinder your ability to appreciate subtlety.
"I've been turned down more times than the beds at the Holiday Inn; I still try"
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Haaater!
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