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What a dull and pretensious comment (about Where The Chicken Got The Axe


Sorry to react like that to a comment but it's the only one yet on "Ne touchez pas la have" (I'm writing my own...) and it's really injust to Rivette (that I don't even particulary apreciat), and, above all, it's full of inexactitudes and semi-thruths (that is lies, I guess...)
I'm talking about this comment : Where The Chicken Got The Axe, who's author is writers_reign from London, England (0 out of 10 people found the following comment useful, by the way).

I just want to say one or two thinks about some false critics, that easily comes to mind when you're unable to see any interset in Rivette's movie, but which are totaly injustified.

First of all, the french "Nouvelle Vague", which included Rivette, but also Truffaut, Rohmer, Godard or Chabrol, is the most important mouvment in the history of french cinema, and even "POSITIF" agrees to say that it was certainly the only time, where french cinema shined over the entired world (there would have been no Scorsese, DePalma or Forman whithout it).
They DIDN'T have any "pathological hatred for anything shot in a Studio by professional technicians", for they were the first to praise Hollywoodian studio directors like Hitchcock, Hawks or Ford : then stop with the clichés !
The same thing goes with balzac, who is omnipresent in Godard's, Truffaut, and especially Rivette's !!! So it's NOT "difficult to find something less New Wavelet than Honore Balzac" : "Out 1" is already inspired by "L'histoire des 13" (in 1971), and "La belle noiseuse" is a Balzac adaptation of "Le chef d'oeuvre inconnu"... Balzac is very familiar in Rivette's film, and also appears quite often in his articles in les cahiers du cinema, in the 50's...
(And one last thing concerning the human comedy : it's not a very laughable one, by the way.)
Before writing a so pretentious and ridiculous comment, it's preferable to take some informations on Rivette, la nouvelle vague and Balzac, please...



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You chose to send this comment to me as a PM and I have replied in the same way so perhaps we should leave this thread for those who require information about the film or wish to explore other facets.

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or, we could all chime in with our six eggs.

for example, don't forget the shrine to balzac that antoine has in les 400 coups. and the dude in la peau douce who's a balzac lecturer. he was one of their favorite authors- i think chabrol slips him in somewhere too. probably to do with the scott-inspired romantic adventure, and the obsessive socail realism. and eric rohmer is a balzac prof in out 1, tho that's a bit later. and there's books in all of them. they loved books, those new wave frenchies. (as well, as moimoichan6 mentioned, as the us studio system).

rivette doesn't use jump cuts all that much. i struggle to think of one, in fact. nor does he use meaningless tracking shots. he had strong ideas about the tracking shot (see the argument over his discourse on a tracking shot in battle of algiers) and when he wanted "empty" shots, he tended to use a static camera. i use the past because although he was just as way out as godard, in his fashion, until his breakdown in 78 or so, his subsequent films really haven't been as exciting, but on the most superficial level, the simple length of his movies indicates his self-positioning outside an establishment cinema. rohmer is the most literary of the lot - he just filmed his own novellas initially - and his distinct style remains inimitably free from affect. if we want to look only at godard, truffaut, rohmer, chabrol and rivette, then there's only two sell-outs. throw in demy, varda, marker, resnais, robbe-grillet et al and i think we have rather a splendid alternative ouevre to that of the cinema du papa.

the stylistic quirks of the new wave were not only a way of showing off and doing things differently, but also a way of filming cheaply, and simply having fun with "cinema" (i like best the guy's mum keeling over in tirez sur le pianiste). however one feels about the aesthetic merits of la nouvelle vague and the commitment of its practitioners, it's probably best to understand it a bit better, mr reign. and if you really prefer the french cinema of the 1950's to '59+, then god help you.

plein d'essence, alphonse!

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Let's hope God Will help me. You're clearly beyond His or anyone's help if you're quite happy to abase yourself genuflecting before the altar of Pseud. Having said that let me add, as I never tire of saying that we live in a Democracy which guarantees all of us the right to an individual opinion, the right to express it, and the right to differ with other opinions.

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The last time I checked, pal, this was STILL a democracy and that gives me the right to come across as dull and pretentious to you just as it gives you the right to sound like a twat. Not that it matters but I happen to like, enjoy and even LOVE dozens of French films that were made after 1959, even some made in this century, but maybe that's because the newer French filmmakers have rejected the new wavelet and returned to making movies with 1) strong scripts - as opposed to something ad libbed on the street under the direction of some pseud who thinks an Arriflex, Sun-gun and a Nagra are a substitute for talent -2)employing technicians who know their ass from third base rather than finding work for hangers-on at Cahiers du Cinema, 3) employing bona fide actors who've paid their dues rather than stopping pedestrians on the street and asking them to be themselves. Here, off the top of my head, is a list of French Directors currently working whose work I admire and collect on dvd:

Patrice Leconte
Diane Kurys
Francis Veber
Michel Blanc
Nicole Garcia
Sam Karmann
Danielle Thompson
Toni Marshall
Claude Berri
Alain Corneau
Sophie Marceau
Valeria Bruni-Tedeschi
Olivier Marchal
Noemie Lvosky
Jean-Paul Rappeneau
Philippe Lioret
Alain Resnais
Agnes Jaoui
Alain Chabat
Yvan Attal
Hope you have a safe journey back to Pseuds Corner

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Hey big boy, is that a list of french directors in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

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