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What an awful film. And don't give me any of that oh you didn't get it, I got it and it was crap

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That's fine. But what aspects in particular did you not like?





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We can start with the soundtrack destroying the film. Tarantino did something similar with Django Unchained and I hope it's not something the directors think is hot... If I want soundtrack like that I watch bad movies from the eighties and I don't care if the director intends to do some hommage.

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Really? I'm glad that Refn went for the soundtrack he did: it's actually a refreshing change of pace from the usual cheesy pounding rock music or the overtly dramatic orchestra music. It's a movie where the music isn't supposed to be the device that evokes the emotions from the viewer, nor was it bogged down by an actual soundtrack. The three actual songs that were played were during the intro, during a moment where it truly fit thematically, and then the ending. The rest was just ambient background music that put out a vibe and nothing more.

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I can only repeat that I must love films from the eighties and nineties with low budget to think it's good.... It sounded like that back then and if Refn wanted to do an hommage to some film/genre it might be the reason.

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Yes, the electronic songs are fresh and fitting indeed, but can they at least use better electronic music like Alan Parsons Project for example? The soundtracks are so repetitive and bland and we had to watch 20 minutes of ryan gosling's face fading away with that bad music.

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bad music? crap taste detected lol. It evokes the 80s atmosphere in case you failed to spot it. It's lined in with the neon pink lettering and skyline shots.

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Fair enough. I'm in the camp that really enjoyed the soundtrack and found it to be essential in the mood of the film.





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Sory if I ask, why is it essential? I thought it messed with the mood.

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The user Fire_Above_Ice_Below answered up there pretty well. The 3 pop songs used in the film fit the mood of the scenes they were in, I thought. The one in the beginning of the film, "Nightcall," set the cool, night-time driving vibe. The one played during the party in Irene's apartment was apt as well, it echoed her feelings for the Driver...




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Totally with you there.

I appreciate Refn's decision as far as the soundtrack is concerned. Goes well with the character of the Driver, the setting of L.A night time, and the existentialism of the movie. So yeah, it was without a doubt, essential.

In fact I would go as far as suggesting the mood of those night scenes in conjunction with the music was an effort in propagating a notion of realism. In doing so, it undermined the fantastical sentiments people hold about a big city such as Los Angeles.




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No retrowave would have killed the atmosphere they achieved completely, I'm glad they went for it

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Drive and Django Unchained have bad soundtracks? Drive's fit the film quite well and Django Unchained had an excellent selection of songs. Off topic, but what didn't you like about Django Unchained's soundtrack, the rap music or the spaghetti western music?

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"Drive's fit the film quite well"

I disagree. It might be an age thing but I have heard that kind of soundtrack in endless bad action films from the eighties where they didn't have a budget to get a real composer to the soundtrack.

In my view it's a pastiche or hommage to the "bad" action films in the eighties...Or german pornmovies from the seventies...

"what didn't you like about Django Unchained's soundtrack, the rap music or the spaghetti western music?"

In my view, the music didn't enhance the scenes in the film except one scene where you had a scream in the song.

Why have a soundtrack if you don't want to get more feelings out of the scene. Now it's just numb music for the sake of it....
I have no problem with rap or spagetti western music either so it's not that.

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Real off topic with this Django Unchained discussion, but yeah, I guess Tarantino's use of music wasn't the best in his most recent movie. Ennio Morricone has refused to work with him any further as a result, last I heard.

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Haha jimmy nice one about Morricone :)

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You see, Morricone's actually joined Tarantino for his new film 'The Hateful Eight'.

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Revisiting Django Unchained, I found the soundtrack to enhance scenes. There was a song from Corbucci's Django that enhanced the passions of Django's revenge on his former masters/tormentors.

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I disagree…. It's about taste as it seems… Drive had an awful eighties soundtrack and some thought it was great.

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It really is. I can only think of one song in Django Unchained's soundtrack that I don't really like only because it's straight up rap and didn't quite fit the scene (black coffins). Other than that and not quite using a Morricone song composed for the movie in the most optimal place, I have no problems with any song's placement.

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Well, sure it's about taste. What else would it be? I liked, you didn't. That's down to taste and nothing else. Drive had an awesome eighties soundtrack. ;)
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The soundtrack was great. I'm going to have to assume you don't get out much. It's not 80's music.

What a lovely way to burn...

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It's not 80's music


Off course it's not 80's music.It sounds like it and especially filmmusic from the eighties…. And I'm not takling of the 80's blockbuster. I'm talking of films with less budget so they had some guy doing the soundtrack on cheap and/or cheesy keyboards.

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I don't think I could disagree more strongly. The soundtrack was excellent. In fact, I'd go as far as saying it was perfectly suited to the movie. I would, quite honestly, have enjoyed the movie less had those specific tunes not been used.

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I know this post is a year old, but I just have to say that I agree. I thought Drive's soundtrack was terrible until I saw Django Unchained. That soundtrack defines godawful. Both films have soundtracks that are irritating and distracting at the same time.

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How the hell is this soundtrack similar to Django Unchained's? Seriously?

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To be honest, and you prob won't like my answer but I disliked every aspect of this film. I was maybe expecting to much after all the good reviews and all, but I was really disappointed at how bad It was.

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Thats not an answer. You still aren't explaining why its awful. I can hate almost all of The Notebook and give you a play by play commentary on why it sucks the whole way through.

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The film was not bad. You may not have liked it, but that doesn't make it a bad film.

There are plenty of really good films out there that I don't particularly like. But I recognize they are very well made and executed movies. I just don't care for them much. It's important to separate preference from objective criticism.

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It's objectively bad. Objective criticism would point out that it dragged on tediously, even if it was trying to make a point by doing so; and also that Gosling is wooden and unsympathetic. An expressionless dude with flat affect who risks his life for a frumpy single mother is a good way to appeal to autists, but that ain't me.

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An expressionless dude with flat affect who risks his life for a frumpy single mother is a good way to appeal to autists, but that ain't me.

You just proved my point with this statement of preference, rather than objective analysis.

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You didn't like it because you were expecting an action packed popcorn flick... I went into this movie expecting the exact style that was shown.. Therefore I enjoyed it very much.. And once it ended, I noticed the entire story was based on the fable of the scorpion and the frog.. Which intrigued me even more.. Saying you didn't like the aspects of it, isn't an answer..

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I liked the film, but to be honest, when I rented the DVD I was thinking the it was going to be a movie like 'Fast and Furious' with loads of car chases. I was surprised and quite shocked at how different it was than I imagined. The acting, writing and soundtrack were all good!

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Best film I have seen in ages.

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I also got it, and it was crap, a poor tag-along of the genre it apes.

Agree that the soundtrack is crap as well, the overhead nighttime shots of LA are a horribly overused cliche, and the shallow cutout main characters spend almost all of their screentime staring blankly offscreen or mumbling to each other.



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Couldn't agree more. Probably the most over-hyped piece of *beep* I've seen since the last Iphone release party. *beep* from a hipster-era.

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You didn't get it
When people come here to bitch about it, without any sight of valid reasoning around, it is just blind hate for something that, simply put, doesn't resonate with them, because they lack the sensibilities that the film is aiming for

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Amen to that and, by the way, the soundtrack is simply wonderful.

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"those who are open to new experiences"

What was the new experience?

I think you forgot the who seen it before...

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Even if this film takes hints and homages from past pictures; it is, still, a different take on a genre that, IMO, hasn't being refreshed since Pulp Fiction

The hand of a revisionist director its clearly seen all throught this film, from start to finish

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Ok, what was refreshing with this film?

Pulp Fiction was amasing. Everything was great. Not any strange soundtrack etc....

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I'm sorry, I have to disagree. I love this film. It's a nice, light film to watch, the soundtrack puts me in a heartwarming mood and the characters tell a pretty good story even with a majority of silence. My only real criticism of it is the ending, which could have been handled and executed better with a more dramatic payoff.

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you stole the words out of my mouth.

soundtrack was good. but yeah ending lacked oomph.

and its not so believable that someone would just leave a million dollars behind, next to a dead man.

at least give it to the girl (benicio's mom). its not like they are rich or something. who wouldn't want a million.

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Yeah, I do think the ending seemed a bit flat, but perhaps that's because we're so used to climactic finishes. Perhaps flat is not the right word, I didn't intend the negative connotation. I was very happy with the ending being different from the norm, I always appreciate when a film doesn't hand you the final outcome in plain bold lettering.

As far as the money, I didn't really take the lead to be the average guy on the street, I feel there could be many reasons he left it, one of those reasons could even be that he didn't even think of it; it was never important to him. And I also think he felt he'd offended the mum when he originally offered her the money, as well as wanting to stick to what he said wbout not seeing her again.

Anyway, this is not my defence of the film, just the thoughts I had at the time while watching.

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Everyone trashes the ending, but whenever they do, they want an ending that is more in tune with Hollywood sensibilities... you know, the "happy" ending.

These endings that people want incongruous with who the Driver is and his overall intention. It was an ending that didn't close up everything nicely, but also didn't make you scratch your head saying "that's it?" It was ambiguous as to the Driver's fate, but we knew that Irene would never see him again, though that she and Benecio are safe. How much more was necessary?

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Not going to go as far as saying the OP doesn't get it; others opinions should be respected. But he/she should know they are in the slim majority by almost every metric (IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, etc).

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"But he/she should know they are in the slim majority by almost every metric (IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, etc)"

Remember that people starve for something else so when something else is presented peopl swallow without waching the details...

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That would be a stupid thing to remember since I don't see the relevance or application here.

I think it is very clear that many of the people on this thread alone like the film explicitly because of the details.

I enjoyed it because of it's textured juxtoposition which, to me, reflected the character of the driver himself.

Quiet and unassuming to the point of almost seeming banal, if sweet, until a darker underbelly is exposed that is aggressive, unrepentant and totally unexpected.




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"Quiet and unassuming to the point of almost seeming banal, if sweet, until a darker underbelly is exposed that is aggressive, unrepentant and totally unexpected"

So you didn't see him as a sociopath? If you did it wasn't unexpected....

And don't take what I said too literary. I meant people who like something else get head over heels invested in something else indifferent of if it's good or bad...

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A sociopath? No. Social interaction is not his strong suit but he does not bare most/all/any of the hallmarks of a sociopath.

He is not impulsive or a compulsive liar, he isn't adept at weaving lies and drawing people to him.

He clearly feels pain, regret, love, connection and empathy and these traits are displayed throughout the movie.

His love for Irene, his genuine affection and consideration for her son, his altruistic efforts to help her husband and his genuine shock and alarm when he gets her husband killed, his concern for Irene's safety, his affection for Shannon.

I certainly do not expect quiet, seemingly unassuming people to be capable of beating a mans head completely in with their foot.

As I said, those telltale signs of sociopathy are simply not present in his character which makes his extreme violence a juxtaposition of his every day behaviour.




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"He clearly feels pain, regret, love, connection and empathy and these traits are displayed throughout the movie"

Where did you see empathy? Beating a woman without hesitation and in cold blood....

I saw a man without feelings but wanted to feel...

"As I said, those telltale signs of sociopathy are simply not present in his character which makes his extreme violence a juxtaposition of his every day behaviour"

So this is what people think is great with this film. They see a mild mannered person that suddenly explode in violence.

I saw a man escaping from the past trying to fit in and it doesn't work out so good.

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Empathy is shown clearly when he is genuinely upset by the death of Standard. He could actually only possibly benefit from his death and yet he was visibly upset about it.

Beating a woman? When? The only thing I recall is his slapping Blanche in the face and it was definitely not for no reason. He knew she was lying to him about something crucial, he slapped her in the face . . . am I missing something?

I don't think the sudden explosions of violence are what is liked, but I loved how they contrasted to the various acts that surrounded him. The softness he exhibited and desired and how those two things met.

It's like, I guess, the tv show Sopranos. Most of the BEST, imo, scenes were ones that showed the sharp conflict between the two worlds of the titular character.

In this movie there is no balance between them, they must meet and I think it does so in a sad, beautiful way.

Who the Driver is is never really explained, there are vague allusions to his past but it remains largely unknown and left to speculation. What I do see in Gosling's brilliant portrayal are so many, unspoken, un-gestured moments of softness that occur only in his face and eyes, which is perhaps why the camera would linger so long on his face, absorbing the delicate array of emotions floating across his face.

I think Shannon was right when he said that Driver was inherently a 'good' guy, not without darkness undoubtedly, but it is actually his kindness that leads to all of the violent conflict within the movie.






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I can only go by the film as I haven't read the book. I assume I would know more about the character if I read the book first.

"He knew she was lying to him about something crucial, he slapped her in the face . . . am I missing something? "

Yes, normally a man doesn't beat a defenseless, scared woman.....


"What I do see in Gosling's brilliant portrayal are so many, unspoken, un-gestured moments of softness that occur only in his face and eyes, which is perhaps why the camera would linger so long on his face, absorbing the delicate array of emotions floating across his face"

I like that kind of acting and I didn't think Gosling presented something else then what I wrote.... sociopath may be too strong word. But the kid has some serious problem in his head.
He is socially awkward, without fear and empathy. It would be interesting to see how the character is in the book.

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Bollocks to that gendered nonsense, if she was a man she likely would have copped a bullet to the face a LOT earlier. She had knowledge and she got someone he was helping killed by witholding it and had put his life in danger, she definitely deserved a slap in the face.

I actually was not aware there was a book, I think that would be something interesting to read. I think the performance was tempered with genuine fear and empathy, but perhaps that is merely a difference in interpretation.




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"Bollocks to that gendered nonsense"

It's in the ethics of the culture Drive lives in....

"I think the performance was tempered with genuine fear and empathy"

Where did he show fear?

If we take the situations where he got violent. Someone who have feelings around it try to distance themselves in some way by using, par example, a gun. Drive on the other hand did it with his hands or feets without any remorse whatsoever...
He was calculating and cold in the situations as well. Just look at the way he put on the gloves before he hit the girl. A person doing what he did isn't capable of feeling normal affection and love.

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It is not the ethics of a culture we live in, increasingly as women demand gender equality that is metered out both negatively and positively. A woman is not inherently more of an awful thing to assault than a man and he actually delivered her an incredibly mild blow comparatively.

"Never hit a woman" does not make any sense, nor should films or society in general cater to the archaic notion.

He showed a great deal of fear when Standard was shot, when Shannon revealed that he had talked about Irene's importance and, even though he was angry, he showed fear for Shannon's safety.

Of course people doing horrible things are capable of affection and love, even sociopaths are capable of love. People can do horrible things in life and STILL feel love and affection, they are not mutually exclusive concepts.




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"It is not the ethics of a culture we live in, increasingly as women demand gender equality that is metered out both negatively and positively. A woman is not inherently more of an awful thing to assault than a man and he actually delivered her an incredibly mild blow comparatively"

Yes it is, we don't assault a man either... Played too much GTA?
He was prepared to really beat her up. You don't put on gloves just to throw a backhand..

"He showed a great deal of fear when Standard was shot, when Shannon revealed that he had talked about Irene's importance and, even though he was angry, he showed fear for Shannon's safety."

I don't think it was fear you saw...

"Of course people doing horrible things are capable of affection and love, even sociopaths are capable of love. People can do horrible things in life and STILL feel love and affection, they are not mutually exclusive concepts"

You forgot the part about normal before love and affection....

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I don't play GTA, which isn't relevant since that is a video game anyway . . men do assault other men, with great frequency actually. No, it's not seen as a good thing, but it does often occur.

None of the violence in this film was betrayed as a good thing but it still makes little sense that you picked the most MILD form of violence that occurred and then picked that out as a presentation of poor character.

"I don't think it was fear you saw..."

I do.

You would have to define NORMAL love and affection? That is an incredibly . . .broad term, love is an incredibly abstract term that manifests differently in every situation.

I think he was capable of affection, caring for her safety, caring for how things affected her negatively and not wanting those things even if those things were good for him. He placed her safety above his own and acted altruistically in regards to her and her son. I think he was clearly capable of 'normal' deep seeded, complex love. The kind that strengthens and bolsters you while also giving you an incredible vulnerability.




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I think we've reached the end of the road here.

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It's ok, we can agree to disagree!




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Thanks for your posts, RottenBeauty, that's beautifully put, and I have to agree with everything. I could have done without the fork scene and the head kicking, but I really liked the rest. Especially Gosling's acting, the little gestures and looks, the way he only smiles when he sees Irene or her son.
I even liked the end, I would have wished for a happier outcome for him, but it was still good. All in all a pleasant surprise after the few comments I had heard were very mixed.

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I always want to see a happy ending, it's the Disney girl within me, but I think the ending poetically fit with the theme and context of the movie. Plus I hold out hope he'll call her again and she'll drive off with him into the sunset.




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My thoughts exactly. After she knocked on his door in the end, he might even have a chance.

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Yes really, and I never ripped it to shreds I said it was an awful film, my opinion which I'm entitled to. One of the greatest films of the last few year (really really). If you want to watch a great film of the last few years watch the master Joaquin phoenix and Phillip s Hoffman are absolutely fantisctic in this truely amazing acting.
And yes I did get it

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oh you didn't get it

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wouldnt call it an awful film... but it sure doesnt deserve 7.9..... its a 6.5 at best...

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It's awful because it's beautifully shot but completely devoid of any kind of substance. The plot, or lack thereof, and the characters are completely uninteresting. If you're judging the film from an aesthetic standpoint, I'd give it a 10, but overall, when you factor in how weak of a script it had, it's not much better than a 4 or 5.

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The method of character development in this film was unconventional to say the least, but I think it would be a stretch to call them uninteresting.

The lead character for instance, on whom this film hinges, made me care for him and his future without speaking so much as five words during the course of the entire film. That is not something that has ever happened to me before and hence I must tip my hat to some great acting.

Through subtle facial ticks and other gestures Ryan Gosling gave us a portrayal of a troubled character with just the appropriate amount of emotion, mystery and grit to make him interesting. The use of no backstory in my opinion lends itself to the character rather than taking away from it as it a) Allows our imagination to run free, b) Gives the character an air of mystery which adds to his persona.

So yes, it wasn't the typical methodology used to develop a character but from my viewpoint it worked.

As to plot and script writing; the plot was simple yes but I didn't see many glaring holes (it has been a while since I watched this so feel free to correct me). And the script again lent itself to the feel of the film which was raw, basic and mysterious.

Don't think it deserves a 7.9 but a 7 or a 7.2 would be quite reasonable.

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