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Why can't they give it up?


This movie will be out when the next presidential campaign is beginning. Why can't democrats give it up that they lost in 2000 and 2004?

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People with Bush Derangement Syndrome are scary.
BDS is a real. We can help them by sending them to Canada or France.

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So the 65% of people who think Bush is doing a bad job are deranged?

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....yes

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William F. Buckley came out against Bush. He is one of the most respected conservative voices in America. Is he deranged? Perhaps the people who still blindly support Bush deranged.

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I don't blindly support Bush in anything. It is just crazy that 2 and 6 years after he was elected people can't live in the present. This movie will come out when he has 1 year left on his term! To quote Wayne's World "live in the now"

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Cause he's still screwing up. He can do a lot of damage in one year as anyone who has been paying attention to the last 6 years can see.

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If Bush were to walk on water, tomorrow you bozos and the press would be screaming, "Bush can't swim!"

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What evidence do you have to back that up? When was the last time Bush and Co. did anything worth lauding and the people in the media attacked him for it? Hell, when was the last time anyone in the Bush administration did anything worth lauding?

I await your response, but since you seem to be the kind of person that cuts and pastes and argument as if it were his own, (http://jphilip.typepad.com/redguybluestate/2005/03/march.html), I won't be surprised when I get nothing intelligent in return.

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For starters he took out a regional would-be Hitler like we should have done to the original model when he started violating the Treaty of Versailles in the 1930s.

The problem you people have is simple. Whatever GOP president succeeded Clinton, especially given the impeachment, was going to get a non-stop rectal exam from you ghouls. It didn't matter WHAT GOP prez got elected.

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"For starters he took out a regional would-be Hitler like we should have done to the original model when he started violating the Treaty of Versailles in the 1930s. "

By comparing Saddam to Hitler you have shown you have no idea what you are talking about. Read a history book.

Maybe if you weren't completely ignorant you wouldn't still support Bush.

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Ah, the classic "you're stupid" intellectual argument. Read a book yourself junior. The comparisons are pretty clear, with a touch of Stalin thrown in whom Saddam openly admired.

And, by the way, I was reading and reasoning while your biggest ambition was filling your diaper.

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"Ah, the classic "you're stupid" intellectual argument."

You are stupid if you think you can compare a man who tried to exterminate an entire people kill 13 million individuals in the process is the same as a tin pot dictator who killed fewer people than many American allies. Do some research on General Suharto if you need proof of that. Not to mention Saddam's biggest crimes, the ones he was executed for, happened while he WAS an American Ally. Those chemical weapons he used on his own people, they cam from America.

"And, by the way, I was reading and reasoning while your biggest ambition was filling your diaper."

And being old somehow makes you smart?

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Ok, so this isn't a comedy then? It's a searing indictment of something? Moving to Canada is presented as a laudable decision?
Thanks for clearing that up.

Pat a wet nun?

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If Bush has done such a terrible job and if he's so evil, why haven't more people left this country? I hear so many useless, brainless celebrities (you know, the people most of you get your opinions from) talk about Bush being evil or the biggest villain in the world, they may threaten to run off to Canada, but how many have?

Fact: George Bush is the leader of the US. That means he is the citizens of the US's leader.

Did it ever occur to people that maybe a reason that so much of the world appears to be against Bush and the US is because of the US and not Bush? For many people in the world, what goes on in the US is more important than what goes on in their own country. They all get our news and celebrity worship just like American's do here, so when they see so much bashing of Bush (a whole lot of lies and half truths) by his own people, don't you think that will sway their opinion? Of course, this is kind of a mute point considering that what the American media reports about how the rest of the world hates us and hates Bush isn't even true.'

Go ahead and respond with "you're an idiot for supporting Bush." Keep this in mind though, I supported Clinton for 8 years and didn't agree with a lot of what he stood for or how this country behaved during those 8 years.

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Ok, we get it. You're old. Anything else?

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So what you are saying is this, just because you cant retort to previous statement ill generalise over all "you people".

IF this isnt enough just look for the class differences within the country - the poor is getting the hard end whilst the allready rich gets richer.
If you are thinking of the nature logics that the strongest survive (aka capitalism) you're just another ignorant person, to small to be worth any of my time (yeah i feel i got the right to be arrogant here) - so just skip what i've written and good luck to you.

If you kept on reading im surprised, but good for you.
Removing Saddam that had no WOMD on the basis of what crazy chemical Ali did isn't really logical is it? Neither to remove a leader that got weaker and weaker as years passed... I'm not sure u can spell to this word but if u dont believe that OIL - O - I - L was the reason u should check the ties throughout the republican party to the companies that did land the biggest contracts of rebuilding IRAQ, and which companies has taken full control over the oil...
I even wrote an essay at that point about 3-4 months before they attacked it that there was NO chance that they wouldnt (i were still studying back then).

Money is a strange thing huh? When Bush got elected senator he ran with a completely different agenda. It wasnt until he (a man with an IQ that probably is less than 90) started climbing, that his opinions changed (there is actually videos making fun of him as he is debating himself on different sites, you can probably search it up on youtube aswell...).

To finish it off, no i'm not giving youtube as my source, if you're dumb enough to ignore the sum of what i've posted and try your chances on personal assaults it's your choice. I'm simply asking you to look what he has achieved for the people, the ones that gave him work and think of, if it was really worth it.
The patriot act has destroyed what little freedom US had (exposed that US is continously building up information about the citizens to use at apropriate times), the fact that there was tampering at both elections aswell show a disgust towards the constitution itself.
US isn't the land of the free and neither has it been for quite a long time. The "terrorists" have achieved their goal in showing what that president, that believes torture to be one of the most valuable tools in the war, really stands for. It's not democracy - "it would be alot easier if US had a dictatorship".

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I don't think it will hurt to remind people of the mess they had to deal with for 7 years. Perhaps that will affect them at the polls in 11/08. Besides, when have people -ever- stopped railing against the man they didn't vote for? It'd be un-American not to at least criticize when one feels one ought to.

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Bush did more to ruin your countries reputation than any other American President before. Sooner or later you will realize this. Your grand kids will still be having a reason to be ashamed of him.

I know that a lot of americans still don't understand that, but in the minds and hearts of a lot of people the US is the REAL threat to their lives.

You are you just 2 or 3 steps away from being a totalist regime and still don't get it.

Ask some germans who survived the 2nd world war. They can tell you how it starts.

And how it ends.

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or better yet leave the country like they said

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Actually Gore won in 2000.

Democrats definitely lost in 2004 because the Bush administration used scare tactics to say "Reelect me or else terrorists will strike again". It was a great strategy.

The administration should hold their heads high seeing how many US soldiers they've assisted in murdering in Iraq. This administration is the closest thing to evil as America has seen in its history.

This movie was fun.

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Did you notice that the terror level was never raised after he won the 2nd term? In fact, that color system was never used again.

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This isn't even really that anti-Bush, not as much as you'd expect anyway.



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Because it makes me lose my faith in democracy. I'm not one to complain about Bush 'stealing' the 2000 election (and certainly not that of 2004), but it just makes me so sad that so many Americans were so *beep* STUPID! By the way, I did move to Canada, so you needn't tell me to do so.

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You obviously didn't see the film. It's right wing anti-progressive, anti-Canadian American apologist garbage. You would love it.

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I keep reading comments about how the film is really a Neocon fantasy in disguise. I just didn't see that and I hate, despise (no word is strong enough) Bush and the Neocon posse. The film presents one extreme liberal and his utopian idea of liberal Canada---I can't speak for the way Canadians are presented in the film, as I don't know many Canadians, but I think it's safe to say that the way they are presented in this movie is not the way most of them are. That "Marry a Canadian" HQ seemed like something from Haight-Ashbury in 1967.

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John, Meyer's character, was angry----for many reasons. He was estranged from his family, lost his brother in Iraq, and he put all of his energy into electing Kerry, who was about as electable as Dukakis when you get right down to it (WHY can't the Dems get a Presidential candidate who truly represents Middle America? Who we have now is no ideal candidate, but that's another argument for another day). He joked about moving to Canada if Kerry lost but decided to do it after getting pressure from his friends; he finds the Marry a Canadian website, has a conversation with the owner, and instantly idealizes a "liberal Canada." And his idealistic vision slowly fades when he arrives there. I don't think this was a Neocon fantasy disguised as a liberal romantic comedy at all. In fact, I know some extreme conservatives and they would hate hate hate this movie; they would not even make it to the end, when the liberals start getting raked over the coals a little. And in the end, John ends up running for Senate.....it was a perfect ending.

The only viewers I can think of who would dismiss this movie as right-wing anti-progressive are the Canadian folks portrayed in this movie. Or the Haight Ashbury crowd.

Human Beings...Wow

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"The only viewers I can think of who would dismiss this movie as right-wing anti-progressive are the Canadian folks portrayed in this movie. Or the Haight Ashbury crowd."

Them and the humorless, perpetually angry, reactionary dullards among the left -- the primary target of this movie. Seems they missed the entire message, which was this: stop being so flippin' angry and indignant about everygoddamnthing and put all that energy into meaningful action.

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I dunno, why can't Republicans give it up that they lost in 2008?

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