when I was in college, if our professors had earned their doctorates, they were addressed as "Dr." for respect- one of my teachers was the Dean of Students so in class he was addressed as "Dean Smith".....
the sister says her brother has a Ph.D., but in class, when the girl asks a question, she says "Mr. Savage"- what did you call your professors (to their face) in class?
That part really stuck out to me...some profs go by their first name or Dr, but never Mr. He should have tossed that chick out of the class.
shareI noticed that he was never once called Dr. Savage throughout the entire movie. Odd...
"We don't have to go find him Wendy, we're not in a Sam Shepard play."-Jon Savage
My guess is calling a doctor of drama, a doctor, is an honourific too far.
Don't Care What The Governments Say
They're All Bought And Paid For Anyway
- Sun Green
Whether it be a doctor of theater or of medicine, you are still a doctor regardless and you have EARNED that title. It isn't something that is simply bestowed on someone.
"We don't have to go find him Wendy, we're not in a Sam Shepard play."-Jon Savage
He might well of asked his class to refer to him as "Mr" at the start of term. Maybe he also thought that being a Doctor of Drama was an honourific too far.
shareI don't really think it is - to obtain your PhD (in any subject) you have to write a 100,000 word (min) thesis over the course of three years (min), and have previously done a three year undergraduate degree and a 1 year masters (in most cases) - so to earn the title 'Doctor' you've put in your 7 years of higher education, just like an MD. I think by that point you've shown enough dedication and talent to be referred to as 'Dr' without it being "an honourific too far".
Typically, it's 4 years to complete an undergraduate degree and at least one year for a masters. There is usually no word count requirement for a PhD thesis;you must do some significant work and then defend your work successfully.
Generally, the honorific Dr. is reserved for use within the academic environment and, in my experience, it is the young, the egotistic or the insecure who insist on using the honorific in other than academic situations.
At my college, all of the professors of theater had an M.F.A., a Master's of Fine Arts, not a Ph.D. I was under the impression that the M.F.A. was the highest degree attainable for this particular field of study. If this is true, then it would be incorrect for the students to call the character a doctor--my own professors typically corrected us when we addressed them as "Doctor," preferring either their first names, or "Professor," more formally.
Actually, at the better universities most all professors are Ph.D's. At those universities there is less of an ego issue about being called doctor (again, this is for Ph.D.s not M.D.s). Look at the faculty directories for some of the Ivy League schools and you will see faculty names and no mention of their advanced degree.
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i think that it was just more realistic to call him mr. most kids screw up and say mr/ just because theyre more used to that from high school...
shareSpeaking as a (retired) professor (at UNC Chapel Hill), I recall that students more often addressed the faculty as "Mr.", with no disrespect implied. In fact, using "Dr." sounded a little pretentious. On the other hand, someone who was insecure (as Jon Savage seemed to be) might have preferred "Dr.".
shareI am working on my doctoral degree, and hope to one day be called Dr. without it being considered an "honourific too far" because I will have earned it after enduring 10 years of higher education.
More to the point, when I was undergrad (at a large University) we called our professors "Professor Savage" if they had made tenure, and if not, then Dr. Savage. In some instances, the faculty prefer to be called by their first names. I can't recall ever hearing a student address a professor (or lecturer) as Mr.
As someone who is also working on a dissertation (not a thesis people!) in my opinion it is respectful to address teachers by Dr. xxx. What I hate is people addressing teachers by Professor xxx or just Professor, this is America not Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. Using Professor perpetuates the "publish or perish" ideology. It just sounds stupid. The majority of people who have a doctoral degree would like to have the title respectfully aknowleged. Moreover, we don't make the distinction b/n Associate Professor xxxx or Assistant Professor xxxx.
shareEven though all my professors have PhDs and stuff, most of them go by their first names.
They get called 'Dr' too often at symposiums and just want to be treated like another person.
At the University of Virginia, professors are called "Mr." or "Ms.," except in the School of Education and, naturally, the School of Medicine. It's a form of reverse snobbism--the same way some M.D.s in Britain (surgeons?) are called "Mr." instead of "Dr." Here, you *never* hear a professor in such depts. as English or History called "Dr." by a student.
share"Reverse snobbism" at Mr. Jefferson's university? Too bad you guys evolve to snobs as soon as graduation. Sorry, I couldn't resist.
share and tell you about 'the code of honor' at their old school whenever there is a free moment. at least they named their new basketball arena after the led zep bassist.
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A friend of mine is a professor at the UVa School of Law and he goes by Dr.
sharei think that it was just more realistic to call him mr. most kids screw up and say mr/ just because theyre more used to that from high school...
Speaking as a (retired) professor (at UNC Chapel Hill), I recall that students more often addressed the faculty as "Mr.", with no disrespect implied.
I usually called them "Dr." but I did have one who put "Mr." on his syllabus. Some, I called by their first names, if they asked us to.
I had some students who started out calling me Dr. or Professor, but I told them that I didn't have a Ph.d., so "Mrs." was fine. Some called me by my first name, especially if they were close to me in age.
1/20/09. End of an error-Party at my place!
There's this guy who stands on the corner down the block who has a sign that says, "Call me the Love Doctor! I have a PHD in gettin' it on! Will teach for food." He gets upset when people call him the Love Mister.
sharei called all professors professors. and i call all MDs doctor, except my siblings.
i have a phd and never tell anyone. it doesn't define who i am. hopefully my work and contributions bring respect, not my title.
when i was in HS i met a friend's dad and said "hi mr. smith" and he said "actually, dr. smith" and i was sorely tempted to say "you're not my doctor" but i bit my tongue.
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Actually, you seem like the tool by the sounds of your rude reply.
I think this
i have a phd and never tell anyone. it doesn't define who i am. hopefully my work and contributions bring respect, not my title.
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