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Disappointing to say the least


So I am a great fan of animated films in general and seeing how this was nominated for the oscars last year alongside Toy Story 3 and the absolutely fantastic How To Train Your Dragon I decided to give it a go.

Now I enjoy art films and all that but this film is just so ... bland. The animation is fantastic but aside from that it really doesn't have much going for it. I never feel for any of the characters and about the only development the characters get over the course of the film is that the girl becomes a spoiled brat and the illusionist loses his will to perform magic ... The depressing atmosphere throughout makes it look like its trying way too hard to be pretentious and appeal only to a niche audience.

The film is so short and yet it runs out of steam and material much much earlier than its ending. It doesn't help that I had to force myself to watch this movie in 2 parts since my sister, me and my mother all fell asleep watching this the first time ... Overall honestly I would give this film a 5/10.

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I'd say you're looking at this animated film with a decidedly American view of animation. In this country, cartoons are for kids. Notably, in recent years, the animated film industry has gradually adopted an unspoken shift in policy where though the target audience for animated films is still children, adults should be able to enjoy them too. Most likely this policy was adopted because the industry realized that adults were the ones taking kids to movies, so it'd be in the industry's best interests to keep the adults interested too. So nowadays in America, we have animated films that are not JUST for kids, but even with their universal appeal, unarguable charm and truckloads of eye-winking jokes that go over children's heads, as a rule, American animated films must still be appealing to children. That being the case, we Americans approach animated films with certain expectations and preconceived notions. It sounds to me like that's exactly what you're doing.

In many other parts of the world, animated films need not be for children or even appeal to children. Instead animation is used as a unique medium for storytelling that wouldn't be possible with live action. An almost silent animated film with a liberal sprinkling of pantomime and an emphasis on unspoken emotional themes like remorse and helplessness is the perfect example of this.

I'd venture that you and your family walked in to this film expecting an "animated film" in the American sense when in actuality, it's a very adult tale that's oftentimes depressing and, just like in real life, sometimes "bland." I'd say the best comparison for this movie isn't an American animated film but instead something closer to Lost in Translation - deliberately paced, quiet and contemplative. You may argue that I'm just euphemizing descriptors for slow, boring and pretentious, but all the same, they're qualities you'd never find in American animation, which seems to be what your primary complaint revolves around. Instead of looking at this as a cartoon and comparing it to the likes of Pixar movies, think of it more as a silent film with adult themes that just happens to be animated.

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I must have missed my point in the original post. But I never meant to compare TS3 and HTTYD with this. It was just a general statement that as it was nominated in the animated category I was looking forward to it and knew exactly what to expect.

I have seen and enjoyed many a "slow and meaningful" movie before. And my comparison was more with that style of movies. It just felt like this movie was done by a set formula. There was no real "heart" to it. It just was not a very emotional movie and did not make me feel for any of the characters and honestly I do not see where the praise for this movie is coming from. It has amazingly beautiful animation but the story itself is weak.

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I can't understand how you feel this way. This movie touched me very deeply. I especially felt for the old clown and the ventriloquist. To me, the story was about its people and so was very strong.

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Have you tried hurrying to and fro just to feed yourself? Do you know the burden of a father, trying to please and suit his daughter's need? The beauty of this film is about how it is true to life. The reality is cruel, but we always try to deny it. Sadly the American culture always fails to comprehend that.

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No heart? Then I say you've definitely missed the point of the movie, as I found it to be quite emotional. I think this just isn't your kind of movie, because I didn't think HTTYD was very good (but you did!), I found it very generic and full animation cliches. I thought the dragon was cute though, so it had that going for it, lol.

If you ever have the time, watch it again. The girl isn't actually a spoiled brat, that was my first impression as well, but if you watch again you'll understand what's actually going on. Btw, that sounded harsh but I meant no offense. The name of the title isn't just because of his profession *wink wink*

"Everything could've been anything else, and it would have just as much meaning."

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To jump to the conclusion that somebody being disappointed with this movie must have a closed-minded view of animation is unfair. Just because they don't like this doesn't mean that they simply don't appreciate it. I just watched it, and it was a bit boring. I wasn't comparing it to any other film except maybe "Triplets Of Belleville," which is probably the fairest thing to compare it to, if comparing could be at all fair. It was a little slow and dark. While I loved the lack of dialogue in Triplets, that way of telling a story doesn't work for every story, and this movie could have used some words. Not saying it was horrible, but it really could have been better.

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It's a common syndrome on this website to condescend to those who don't like a particular film, especially one that is critically acclaimed, indie, artistic, or foreign.

I've watched plenty of foreign animation for adults, and I thought The Illusionist seemed like a stretched out short with a minimal plot, a visual poem that did not need to be feature length. The most interesting concept was the obsolescence of traditional stage performers with the rise of television and rock/pop music. But the film had already processed that theme within the first fifteen minutes.

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I'm sorry but I have to agree, I was rather disappointed in this movie. I wasn't expecting Disney/Pixar, but based on the synopsis that says both their lives were changed forever, I can't agree. Hers was changed for the better, but his was changed for the worse, which was quite a letdown. It was very cathartic and somewhat depressing, tbh. He basically gives up at the end. Here I was thinking that she'd make his life better, get him motivated, maybe become his assistant, but no, he just gives her gifts, realizes he's obsolete, and leaves. The message I got from this movie is "you get old, you're done, sorry chum." Rather sh***y if you ask me. The medium doesn't matter with this movie, animated or live action, I still wouldn't have liked it merely because of the story.

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Hmm....I find it really sad that you, SinisterKnight42, and sadly many others, interpret the movie that way. The real story is far from that at all.

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I'd like to stand up and urge everyone to give you a round of applause. Your reference to Lost In Translation really hit the nail.

The Illusionist is an animated film for adults (it even has PG rating). It doesn't make you cry the way Toy Story 3 does, but it goes beyond making someone cries. It makes your emotions welling up inside of you, it makes you think and think hard, and maybe hours after the movie itself ends, you'll have tears in your eyes. THAT, if you can really understand the movie. I think this is the same effect that Lost In Translation leaves to its audience.

Movies like these, are rare and precious.

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The fact that you hold this up against How to Train Your Dragon and Toy Story 3 - particularly just because they were all nominated against one another for an Oscar - speaks volumes.

I loved both those films, but they were nominated together because of the film format. It's like saying that Doubt didn't hold a candle to District 9, and that you're justified in comparing them apples-to-apples because they're up for Best Picture.

Further, TS3 and HTTYD are both extremely American films, and (and as a huge fan of the Pixar canon it galls me to say this), of a completely different corporate mindset. A second sequel to a colossal commercial hit distributed by Disney that was greenlit chiefly for its own commercial potential cannot be compared to a film made as a labor of love on a shoestring and funded independently.

You're entitled to your opinion, and you're entitled to find it bland and underdeveloped (I myself did not). But it's wrongheaded to drop those titles in the same discussion. Not because The Illusionist is some kind of masterpiece, but because they're just so different.

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Summed up my thoughts pacificboy.

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The Illusionist has an overall intimate message that the writer himself probably didnt want to tell..im sure it wasnt made to rake in money. Whereas a film like toy story 3 (and I love the franchise btw) was made purely to milk more money. Not to say TS3 wasnt good...and I'm not saying this to compare the 2 but just knowing that should make anyone appreciate what The Illusionist stands for a little bit more.

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It was very "French"

I actually like that it's very French!

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The fact that you hold this up against How to Train Your Dragon and Toy Story 3 - particularly just because they were all nominated against one another for an Oscar - speaks volumes.

Over two years later, but quoted for truth. The Illusionist was wonderful. Beautiful and melancholy. How To Train Your Dragon was a fun spectacle, but doesn't even come close to how deeply this film stirred my soul.

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The OP never compared this movie to and Pixar movie other than in measures of absolute quality. He only said he had high expectations because it was nominated for an award alongside Toy Story 3 and How to Train Your Dragon, which were in the OP's opinion highly enjoyable, if not in the same way as The Illusionist might be or even the same was as each other. You francophiles need to learn how to read.

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Yeah I found it a fairly dubious exercise in (attempted) moodiness and melancholy. The magic is dying for the aging guy and some others. That's sad I guess. Cruel world I guess.

The movie is not entirely without value - it is lovely to look at - but I need more.

When rating a movie I find borderline, I ask myself, would I ever watch it again? In this case, no. Thumbs down. 4.4 out of 10.

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Actually, Stercus, the OP was comparing the movies to each other by saying that they expected more from it because it was nominated with the others.
Were there no intention of comparison, there would be no need to mention the others. The OP would just have had to give their opinion of this film and left it at that. When people say things like "I am a fan of animated films in general" to start their post, then mention other animated films, it's like saying "no offense" before you are going to offend someone.
They may not have been trying to compare styles, but they were comparing the perceived quality of the movie to the others mentioned because they were all animated. As another poster pointed out, those other films were animated films, The Illusionist was a film that just happened to be animated. Therefore, it's more fair to compare the quality of this movie to that of a non-animated one, and if you are going to mention other animated films, make them ones that are more similar, and don't just use others that were nominated in the category.....after all Jethro Tull did win the first Grammy for heavy metal only because they were unwilling to place them in another category.
Also, I shudder at the thought of anyone who would proclaim their love for animation with the backing of Toy Story 3. It was complete rubbish and had no business being made other that to scam cash from so called "animation lovers" and their children who don't know any better yet.

On a side note, does anyone remember the brilliant, short, originally silent except for the song, animated film "The Snowman" from about 30 years ago? Now that was a top notch animated movie.

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Hear hear. Much of this discussion is built on a straw man argument. The original poster never implied this film was anything like the other two.

Personally I am a great fan of animated films from all over the globe and spanning many different genres. I am also fond of Tati's films, but I found this film to be on par with his lesser works. Quirkily amusing and chuckleworthy, but not the equivalent of any of his greater projects. The pacing combined with the muted, khaki-infused color palette (similar to that which was used to great effect in The Triplettes of Bellville and Tokyo Godfathers) put the viewer to sleep.

I second that it was a bit of a disappointment.

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It's ok to have your opinion on the movie, even though I do not share it.
You are correct that the OP was not saying the movie was like the other two, as much as saying that Taxi Driver was not like Steel Magnolias or Saw was not like The Swiss Family Robinson. However, they were clearly comparing them as animated movies, no matter how much anyone will try and argue the contrary.
This is where the problem lies. Mentioning the Illusionist along with How to Train Your Dragon or Toy Story, just because they are all animated, is nonsense.

I personally enjoyed The Illusionist more than The Triplets of Belleville. Mainly because I enjoyed the story much more. I understand not everyone will feel the same way, but if you're going to come and start a thread about not liking it, don't come at it that way.

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Man, was this ever a disappointment for me. I loved "The Triplets of Belleville," and was excited to see another film in that same spare, wry and refreshingly different style. But "The Illusionist" failed to engage me at any point. I wanted desperately to feel compassion for the artist in what was becoming (for him) a dying art. And I wanted to understand the girl's longing for new places and new things. But none of this happened - none of these characters engaged my empathy or interest - and, toward the end, I found myself checking the DVD counter about every five minutes to see how much time was left.

I've been known, in the case of real dreck, to just quit while I'm ahead, rather than waste 60 more minutes watching what was for me the unwatchable (e.g. "Date Movie"), but I couldn't quite bring myself to do that here. I thought the animation was beautiful, and the music moving. But, for me, the story could've been compelling and wasn't; the characters could have had unique, if subtle, charm and didn't.

I hope Sylvain Chomet tries his hand again soon, and I'll be there, but I wish I'd passed on this. I think I'll rent "The Triplets..." or "Paris, J'TAime" again just to remind myself how good he can be.

And to those who think anyone disappointed with this effort has a "decidedly American view of animation," as one poster said, or a Disney world view in general, I'd just say that apart from loving "The Triplets...," my favorite director of animated films is Miyazaki. Also, I'd rather watch good anime-type stuff like "Ghost in the Shell" than "Toy Story" any day. That said, I do enjoy a lot of Pixar stuff as well. I hate feeling like I have to justify my subjective dislike of a film, but ad hominem/blanket statements can really bait.

I wanted to love this -- that's why it's more disappointing for me than if I'd really not cared to begin with.


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I wanted to like this movie, too.
Triplettes of Belleville was more interesting from start to finish. This was a slow downer that got slower and slower over the last 20 mins.
I was sad for the magician, I was sad for the ventriliquist, I was sad for the dachshund with the training wheels. Even the Mr. Bean-like car garage scene couldn't bouy it... I felt 'sympathy' for the characters, but it wasn't really a result of their actions, it was more a result of the situation they were in before we even saw them.
'Belleville' had some good guys, some bad guys, gamblers, cyclists, frogs, and a cool dog. And a ridiculously catchy showtune in the middle. (And grenades, did I mention the grenades?)

There was no mirth to counterbalance the 'downer-ism'. Where's the 'Rent a boat' guy still waiting for his rented boat to come back? (And okay, I did like the "Brittoons", and the trapeze act, but those were fleeting moments...)
There was no 'conflict' in the movie that could be resolved, and I guess life can be like that. In 21 words of less: Older magician beguiles young simple woman, she ingratiates herself to him, they travel together, and she dumps him for younger man.
(Oh, and she gets him to spend all of his money on stuff for her...).
He got duped, and so did we...

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mroulier, Your 21 word synopsis as to what happened in this movie isn't far off until the last line. He was not duped, he wanted to provide for her because he had no one else in his life that was now seeming to him to not be worth much. He had no family of his own. He was treating her more as a daughter than a girlfriend. There was never anything to suggest that they were lovers. He made the decision for her to go with the younger man because he saw that she was happy with him...something most fathers of daughters will go through at some point.
That being said, I understand the reasons you like Triplets better, however none of the reasons you gave for not liking it, actually make this a bad movie, just one you didn't enjoy. So to say WE got duped, is way off the mark. Not only did WE not get duped, you really didn't either. So it didn;t have as many laughs, or a catchy song, but not all movies do have those things, and that does not make them bad, just not your cup of tea.

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I was also a little bit disappointed in this movie. I loved Triplets and really wanted to love this one too. It LOOKED great in the trailers. The animation is stunning, but the story was just rather flat to me with hardly any ups or downs within it. A lonely, struggling magician gets an emotional lift from a young girl who still believes in magic? Except that even she didn't seem to make him happy. Also she hardly ever had any sort of expressions on her face, so how are we to tell that she is in awe of the magician's talents? I found it sort of confusing at times since the characters didn't talk much and most of the animation was done in full/wide view with no close ups. Some close ups so that we could see a little bit better would have probably been helpful.Especially since the animation was so subtle. Either way, I ended the movie feeling sort of empty. I went from feeling rather sad for the magician to feeling sad for the magician, ventriloquist and clown, etc... I can't say that I DIDN'T like the the movie but I also can't say that I liked it. My feelings regarding it are about as blah as the movie.

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It made for a strange viewing experience for me. On one hand there are such good things about it, namely the animation is so beautiful and I liked the music.

But I agree that the story felt thin. The rabbit was my favorite character, which doesn't say much for the main people in the plot clearly. I like the scene where she brings the clown soup and he chooses not to commit suicide, I thought that was moving and well done. But it was still depressing then to see the ventriloquist homeless and on his own, the uncertain end for the illusionist himself, and for the girl, I didn't really care what would happen to her but what did was very cliche and boring. And again on the depressing end, the card about how magicians don't exist.

I try to get away from American animated films because they always end so predictably and happily, but I guess that is what I wanted from this film and every whimsical character basically was depressed, rejected, and had a sour conclusion. Realistic? Sure. Still really sad, though.

And the point I think I understand, that the rock band for instance was more popular and all of these other acts were outdated and rejected. I get the message there, sort of. But that doesn't make me like it any more than before.

I watched 'A Cat in Paris' before this and that movie was much more satisfying. It had a good story, good characters and a good ending. That was what I was hoping for since this was a recommended title if you like that film, but this is much more solemn and not as well thought-out.

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That is an hour of my life I will never get back. What a waste of time watching such a boring movie. I kept waiting for it to get interesting, but it didnt.

I actuall enjoyed the last half hour more watching in in fast forward.

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Kind of a bummer of a film for me, since as a librarian, I've seen my career fall out from under me just about the same way as the vaudevillians in the movie. But the movie tells us life goes on and you have to roll with it.

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I have to agree. It's bland.

The OP hit the nail on the head.

And NO it is not because being used to American animation it's just the characters seemed lacking and the film tried to hard to be artsy, and pretentious.

He's right.

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this movie is not for conservative vicious capitalists like you.

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