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What happened to Frances? (Spoilers)


Ok, let's put aside all the artsy "interpretations" for a second and get to the nitty-gritty. So we go through all this drama and we find out the horrible secret that surely had a great impact on her life (Frances), but why do we still not know what _actually_ happened to her that day.

I get that the film is more about the closure her sister seeks and how all that really matters in the end is that she wasn't there anymore, but for the shallow ones like myself who just want to know what happened to her for the sake of our own closure, I for one would really like to know what happened to her.

Now I don't mean "give me your interpretation", I mean if there was something in the movie which gave a definite indication to her fate on that day, please point it out to me because after watching the movie a second time now, I still don't believe the matter get's addressed suitably and in no uncertain terms.

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One possible clue is that Francis insisted Elise stay down by the pier and not disturb her while she sunbathed up on the dunes, out of Elise's direct line of site, perhaps suggesting that she was dying to run away from her mother and ready to leave with the first guy who showed an interest, while seeking to allay any possible interference by Elise. Along the same lines, she was smoking and going out of the house somewhere alone (possibly looking for someone to run away with), disobeying her mother in various ways.




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I also want to knowww

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I thought it was pretty obvious. You have to put 1 and 1 together, and you will get the picture:

clue 1: The doctor tells Elise about a bicycle accident that her sister supposedly had. He believed it to be something else.

clue 2: Frances says she wanted her father dead.

clue 3: Frances talks to Elise about sex - that her father didn't love her mother but only "wanted to stick it in".

clue 4: Elise confronts her mom: "You knew all along".

Apparently Frances was sexually abused by her father. Frances killed him and confessed to her sister. After that act, she had to get away from the small suburb town where she was abused, hence disappeared.
When Elise finally figured out the reason for her sister's disappearance, she could let her past and her sister go, and start living her present life. This concludes in the scene, when she returns to Martin.

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One must respectfully disagree with you, Jannis Petersen. Clues in the order in which they occurred in the film:

1. Frances telling Elise about 'She's done it. With him. He did it to her under the jetty. He didn't love her, he just wanted to stick in into her. And she let him.' One rather believes she was referring to herself, not her mother. Her sadness, her demeanor, the way in which she related it to her sister is telling. This is classic with sexually abused children...and for all we know, it could well have been a stepfather. This writer has no access to the book.

2. Announcement of the death of the girls' father (by electrocution at work, Frances had nothing to do with his death), and Frances admitting that she had wished her father dead. These reveals happened in the subsequent scenes.

3. Frances' gathering of the sea wrack and leaving it under the window was perhaps a punishment of her mother for not keeping her safe. Sexually abused children often act out, blaming the other parent. It's irrational but it happens. She took seaweed from the ocean (remember the jetty?) and brought it to the house to make a noxious smell under *Dorothy's* window.

Elise was punished for Frances' seaweed crime just as she was punished with Dorothy's withdrawal after Frances was gone.

Elise creating a garden from seaweed and the dead newspapers was a symbol that she was ready to move on. Dorothy was so curious about what was going on she fell from her bed while she was peeking in her mirror. She was ready to move on, too.

4. The medical record read 'Difficulty urinating, unwilling to be examined.' The good doctor was apologising to Elise for not recognising sexual abuse in her sister, Frances. She came back to see the doctor three weeks later on her own. Here's what I think: Frances fell pregnant when she was forced by her father and perhaps even given an STD.

5. Elise asking her mother, 'Did he do it? Tell me!' and the response, 'We loved each other,' was code for, 'Did you know that my father raped my sister?' and 'Yes, but I loved him anyway.'

Here's what I believe happened to Frances: she was impregnated by her father, given a disease, and went for help to Doctor John. When he wasn't there in the surgery that day when she was willing to ask for help, she went in the sea and swam straight out until she drowned from exhaustion.

Frances is dead. Elise accepted this once Doctor John told her the truth and showed her the medical records. Dorothy, too, is now able to get on with her life.





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I'm having a hard time with the assertion that Frances swam to her death. I see nothing in the film that points to this conclusion. On the contrary, towards the end of the film young Elise watches Frances walk away from the beach, towel in hand, by herself. All of this occurs just after adult Elise tells us (through her voice over monologue) that she "she remembers, but she doesn't know what she remembers anymore."

I'm leaning towards Frances running away. Regardless, the story is about Elise coming to grips with the fact that she'll never return.

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Jannispetersen -- Frances didn't kill her dad. The workers came to break the news to the family that he was killed in a work accident.

Lexyladyjax -- you made great sense right up until your second to last paragraph.

I don't think there's any reason/evidence to speculate Frances committed suicide by drowning.

In fact, Elise said when she went to look for Frances, all she found was a cigarette butt. If Frances went for a swim to her death, why would she have brought her flip-flops and her towel with her? (I don't think she would've planned it to make it look like she vanished without a trace.)

It makes more sense that she willingly went with someone, taking her towel and flip-flops, and was simply never heard from again. She was either murdered and her body never found or she simply felt the need to abandon her previous life and live a new one somewhere else, perhaps with the aid of someone like a scumbag taking advantage of a vulnerable kid.

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There are no definite answers in the film to any of the questions about Frances.

You can take an interpretation or you can go whistle because that's all you're gonna get from this loser film.

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Apologizing again for being late to this board. I saw Closed for Winter for the first time yesterday and it bothers me so much how much they wasted such a good premise with what resulted on film. It dragged on interminably and you always feel a sense of waiting for the other shoe to drop.

If the dad did molest Frances, that still does not explain what happened to her. I mean, WTH! Did she run off with that boy? Did that boy hurt her? Did she just runaway period? Was she abducted? Was she really that girl that Elise chases through the dancing club?

This movie was such a dragging muddled mess.

I was waiting for young Elise to blow her own head off when she sprayed herself with hairspray and then was ready to light the cigarette when she was putting on her mom's clothes and makeup. Not to mention the chain smoking and the thousands of newspapers. I was waiting for A&E to show up to do an episode of BURIED ALIVE: Hoarders.

Elise's mom seemed so intent on obsessively cutting out articles and writing letters about missing children and whatnot, but didn't seem at all fazed (well a little but she didn't go bonkers) when Elise's boyfriend took a bunch of newspapers off the table and threw them in the furnace.

This was a bizarre mess of a movie. Frances where are you???????????????

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