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Richard Dawkins: Brilliant Mind, Awful Debator


He's really unable to deal with people of opposite viewpoints, which is really strange considering he's such a brilliant man. I could have easily responded to many of hte comments that the men being interviewed stated, calmly, and it's not even my job. Haggard isn't a bastard, he's just misguided, so you should simply treat him that way. However, the New York Muslim was a bastard, and still should have gotten respect.

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I guess he comes from a background where a lot of the people he engages with intellectually (even if they disagree about certain things) have a lot in common with him. He's making a break from being a scientist who disses religion a lot to being a celebrity atheist and activist, which is a bit of a learning curve.

When they showed this on Channel 4 a year ago, a journalist who previewed it said that he's not a natural TV presenter, and there's something in that.

Having said that, he scored a good point in the interview with the Muslim guy, who was trying to emphasize how marginalized and mistreated Muslims were, when he said 'Do you want Islam to dominate the world?' and quick as a flash the guy said 'Yes, and it will'.

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Again...WTF?! Let's see you on camera, up against some *beep* Fundie, bring up perfect recitations completely off the cuff in the face of their angst and obvious anger towards you. Another *beep* moron....!

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I agree that Dawkins was certainly over-run by some of his interviewees.

However, his mindset (and certainly mine as well) is that these people are otherwise normal people who are completely deluded by their beliefs.

In the fact of such overwhelming sense of righteousness on the part of the religious persons, Dawkins arguments can seem to fall flat.

In almost all cases, I agreed with Dawkins, and I found most of his interviewees responses deeply unsatisfying.

Ted Haggard's claims seemed very slick, but deeply wrong. He said the Bible doesn't contradict itself, but i'm sure i've read that it does. Of course, I shall need proof of this before I am happy!

All in all, I think Dawkins has some very valid points about religion.
I've never been religious myself, and have always found the progress of science very impressive, and most of all, I find the attitude of science to be very noble - i.e. have a hypothesis, test, re-test, disprove. Some scientists can hold very strong views on how they think the Universe works, but the beauty of science is that those views can be shattered in the face of newer, more accurate evidence.

(Scientist Fred Hoyle's brilliance with studying the Sun, then failure by supporting the Steady-State theory, which was demolished by the Big Bang proves a point)

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Well, Dawkins strikes me as a very polite, almost timid man, and he's having to deal with a lot of people who, no matter how successfully he presents an argument, he knows will never give any thought to anything he has to say. I can't even imagine the frustration involved in such a position. The ironic thing to me is that he really doesn't seem as arrogant as his religious counterparts, and yet he is so often labeled that way.

It is a rather disturbing figure, in any sense, that 53% of the American public, with as much as we know about the age of the earth and evolutionary processes over the last several million years, still believe the literal interpretation of Genesis which states the earth as being somewhere between 6,000 and 10,000 years old. I can imagine Dawkins feels very much that he is arguing with people who, for lack of a better way of putting it, are still wanting to say the earth just might be flat.

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At times though, Richard Dawkins seems to come out as intolerant of anyone who holds beliefs he doesn't like, which is all beliefs and ideas except atheism. It seems to come out in his debates with others, and he does seem to choose easy targets. It also doesn't help him debating when at times he seems to get angry.

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Scientist Fred Hoyle's brilliance with studying the Sun, then failure by supporting the Steady-State theory, which was demolished by the Big Bang proves a point

Despite the propaganda, the Big Bang Theory does have many holes in it, not least of which is the fact that there are stellar phenomena which the theory cannot explain.

Physicists since the days of Einstein have IMO been overly reliant on their formulas to explain the universe. They gloss over the fact that formulas are useless when the input is inaccurate. Garbage in, garbage out.

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Even though Dawkins has a clear agenda in his intellectual work, this doco wasn't a forum for debate. I've heard him in debate, and think he's an excellent debater. In regards to this doco, he mainly did the right thing and simply posed questions and allowed them to be answered. It wouldn't have served the purpose of the project to engage in slanging matches with his interviewees.

I think Dawkins did treat Haggard as misguided, and showed more than sufficient respect for the Muslim. The only time he seemed to answer back was quite appropriately to the assertion that "you" let women dress like whores, to which Dawkins replied, "I don't dress them, they dress themselves." Therein lies a fascinating dichotomy between Western and Islamic fundamentalism's attitudes towards women, but that's another matter.

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-- "I can imagine Dawkins feels very much that he is arguing with people who, for lack of a better way of putting it, are still wanting to say the earth just might be flat." --

Exactly. Even his simplest arguments and opinions barely sink in. Anything deeper is just wasted time and energy.

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The only reason a skilled debater would try to give in to the opposing argument is if:
1) the goal was to change the opponent's mind
2) the opponent was capable of being convinced otherwise

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"Haggard isn´t a bastard, he´s just misguided".

He´s a hypocrite and a fraud who got rich off poisoning people´s minds with his reactionary nonsense. No different from someone like Jimmy Swaggart and his hilarious "mishap" with underaged prostitutes.



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Dawkins has the patience of a saint in this as various idiocies are spouted at him in this documentary.

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