How is this movie inaccurate?

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"He is not the only one found not guilty. There are other people that have been found not guilty for not filing income taxes"

There are other cases, but I didn't even mention them. It's like talking to a brick wall.

How about you, I, and the other liberty-loving people just start our own country and leave these fools behind? It might prove humorous to see him "look over the fence" so to speak and see us working 36 or 40-hour weeks, with homes paid off, with little or no debt, with low taxes, no income tax, and with our wives at home taking care of our 3 or 4 happy children, while he and his wife both work 50-hour-weeks, and after taxes and debt-service, they can barely scrape together enough to put their one child in daycare and maybe pay for a college education.

I wonder if then he would wake up, or if he would demand his country attack our country to "spread freedom"?

"I'll try to ignore your attempt at pomposity as I think you feel it is a natural state of being. As for Trolling, maybe you need to make better, more fact based argument"

Why did I even bother with you? Why did I expect that logic and more importantly REASON would have any effect on you? Why was I nice to you, an evil person, seeking pain suffering and conflict in the world. A troll is exactly what you are, because you said EXACTLY what a troll would say.

I am going to continue to try and be nice to you, because somewhere in there you have a logical, rational side that can be appealed to. Or I'm wrong, and this is a waste of my time...either way, I will continue to be of a decent disposition. You throw a lot of negative adjectives around without a lot behind them, so I'll treat with consideration to their due worth.

"I reject your facts, I reject your argument, I will not listen to you, my fingers are in my ears, I can't hear you, lah, lah, lah!"

Are you referring to yourself, or me, sir? I watched your videos, I am just not convinced by them....perhaps after I go over the actual court transcripts, I'll be more convinced. If what you say about this man is indeed fact, then the facts will make your argument for you. You should embrace this kind of attitude. You have already completely misread both my intention in this discussion, and my logical framework, describing me as a liberal, anti 2nd ammendment and so forth. Perhaps you should dampen down the empty rhetoric and work on the principle of exchanging rational facts and arguments instead...

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"Cryer never made his arguments about the legality of the income tax. In fact, the case of tax evasion was dropped"

Hmmm, I wonder why?

As do I. However, neither you, nor I have answers, merely supposition. Unless you claim personal knowledge of the prosecutions motives?

Are you capable of thought?

Yes

I mean deep-thought?

Still yes

Not the blind obedience and order-taking of a brain-washed soldier, but actual intelligent thought?

Still yes

If you are then you might realize the government dropped the charges so they wouldn't "lose" and so he couldn't claim "victory", or if he lost, he would have nothing to appeal up to the Supreme Court.

Or I might realize that, absent first hand knowledge of the prosecutions motives, internal briefs, or strategy that that realization, whatever proximity to actual events, is blind supposition. You and I have equal ignorance of this 'why.'

You simply want to believe what your carefully crafted, pre-existing world-view will allow you to believe.

You have no first hand knowledge of my beliefs, and your last attempt to guess them was horrrendously innaccruate. Perhaps you should deal in facts, instead?

And do you know how I know? Because I was once like you.

Blind supposition again, based on your preconceptions. Probably innaccurate based on your prior assessment of my beliefs.

Do you think I was born doubting the validity of the way the income tax is being collected? Do you think they taught me that in school? I recognized problems, looked for answers, found them, even though I didn't like the implications, I dealt with the truth and I woke up!

Most of this is irrelevant to me. I am hoping you make your argument through examples and fact based sources. You have given me a case, although there are questions, I am dutifully looking to the source material to find my answers.


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"and only the charges of willful non payment remained. The jury believed he truly believes he doesn't owe the money, therefore he was found not guilty of those charges."

Thank God the Founding Father's included the Right to trial by jury. This is EXACTLY why they did. They knew government power-structures become corrupt and the people themselves can free themselves via the jury. If the U.S. government isn't corrupt or stealing from it's citizens, then it would be the ONLY government in history which HASN'T done so. So are you actually going to take that position? And you claim intelligence and knowledge of history!

Again, most of this is irrelevant to the question at hand. The question is, is the current income tax Constitutional? Boiled down to ' do we really have to pay income tax?" The founding fathers established the rule of law to limit its capricious application and to ensure equality. No system is perfect, however. The US gov't may indeed be corrupt, however, the question of income tax remains a question of law, not corruption. If this law is indeed amoral, then I fully support a move to a more judicious system such as the flat tax or consumption tax.

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"It is not the same thing as winning the argument against the legality of income tax in court. You do understand this, right? He also still owes the taxes, including penalties and interest. He won the criminal case, but will still be liable for the tax burden. He set up a weird trust that he tried to establish as non taxable."

Not if I sit on his jury he won't! He won't owe a dime. In fact, I would find you guilty of treason for supporting this evil system. I would have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM convicting you to life at hard labor, or even death!

Until I see the transcripts, I don't know whether or not the jury even got to decide whether or not he will pay his taxes, only guilt or innocence of the proferred charges. If you think I support the current system, you do so based on nothing but your own assumption, so your odd statements to treason will remain simply, odd. Likewise with your increasingly odd statement about hard labor or death. Maybe a warm milk or cream soda will bring you back into good spirits.

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You've seen all the proof any reasonable person would need and still you act like a slave, you want to be a slave, but more importantly, you want me working right along side you on the chain gang.

I have seen a man's argument. I will look to the transcripts to see the other side, and I have the actual laws on the books to consult. As soon as one side claims truth to the exclusion of argument, I get suspicious. You should be welcoming these questions as a chance to reveal the facts, not belittling them. If the facts are on your side, then so is open inquiry.

Can you understand why the day is approaching where we may have to start killing people like you?

I am openly smiling at this statement......and you are certainly welcome to try.

You do understand that, right?

Not particularly in a reasonable setting, but certainly if you and reason have parted ways.

If you insist on enslaving us, with no way for us to alter the system, amend the system, or break free of the system, the HELL you have created for us, we will be FORCED to free ourselves from YOU, because you support the system, because YOU are the system!

There are many ways to alter the system.....the system was designed this way. To break free of the system, please feel free to move somewhere where this system isn't in existence. Your odd statements to my existence as the system nonwithstanding, perhaps you can strengthen your case with another example?

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