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Should season 2 stick more to the original?

posted 15 years ago by justride
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Im sorry but im so sick of all you cyclops-hating wolverine fanatics that crave whatever crap marvel wants you to buy. Cyclops and jean are meant to be. I think now that jean is back cyclops can now lead. he should really man up and be himself. the writers and horrible to him and make him completely incompetent and insecure.
While putting wolverine in the spotlight for season 1 made sense, its time for a change. theres nothing we can really do about season 1 except appreciate it. sure the show is called 'wolverine and the x-men' but now that we got into the series he cannot be the star for every episode, nor the lead. dont get me wrong i dont hate wolverine. i always thought he was cool. except when he was the badass side character and had a unrequited love with jean. of course she was aware of his love for her but she is scott's lifelong flame. sorry do you expect that jean and wolverine will have babies? no. do you really think they will have a future? no.
lets also focus more on the other characters. as in storm, collosus, kitty ect. and with rogue. ok we get what her original power is. basically makes her useless. with this series and the movies i think its time for her to permanently get miss marvels power. its time. x-men evolution didnt even do that till the very very end. and a glimpse into the future. but now its time for her to fly and have super strength.
i also think wolverine should not be exclusive in every episode. skip him a little bit. not the entire season of course, but maybe 3-5 episodes. have him not the focus. its sickening how they are making the real fans sick of him. we get it. 5-12 year olds LOVE HIM. but i think the writers should have more respect for the other viewers.
so what do you think? do you think im totally fcking crazy?! or do you agree.

I'm sorry what do you think your doing?

[–] classOFfitness 15 years ago

x men evolution got axed, before they could do anything real with rogue.

[–] confidential_75 15 years ago

I have always wondered what the angle (now that Jean is back) will be in keeping Wolverine in charge in season 2.

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[–] justride 15 years ago

yeah but remember when an x-men series was about the actual x-man? and not wolverine?
hmm the golden years

I'm sorry what do you think your doing?

[–] DarthBill 15 years ago

I miss the days when animated X-Men series were about the X-Men as a whole and not just Wolverine. I've given up hope of this version of Cyclops being redeemed, the foundation of his characterization is just too horrible.

[–] matty_cooly 15 years ago

i don't think there was anything wrong with the rendition of Cyclops, and its a bit of an evolution of 40 years worth of characters here to make Wolverine actually take responsibility. That was the point of losing Jean - it makes Cyclops completely inable of leading the X-men and Wolverine has to step up to the plate. And it's reflected in the show that wolverine has a hard time leading the group. Like, if Xavier didn't contact his and tell him to "You need to trust..." he would have made the fatal mistake of not trusting emma frost. It's an interesting take on classic X-men and it's a strong well thought out story - I hope people don't just reject it because it's different, you can't keep recycling the same ideas. Cyclops will be interesting in season 2. Torn between having lost Emma (the only person that cared for his while Jean was away) to have Jean back.

[–] DarthBill 15 years ago

Cyclops will be interesting in season 2. Torn between having lost Emma (the only person that cared for his while Jean was away) to have Jean back.

Except this rendition of Cyclops clearly does not deserve either woman (and they clearly deserve better than him) given that he was a worthless putz even before he met Jean, so there's nothing really "interesting" about it.

[–] themummyman 15 years ago

Forget Jean and Cyclops, what about my Storm? She's had it the worse in the series by the simple fact of her not showing any leadership qualities after losing cyclops, the professor, and jean. She's still wallpaper and her power displays sucks the fattest part of a donkey's ass...

They have alot of work to do in building her up into what she should be in this series. I'd say make the one we have a clone Storm all alone and have the real one captured by someone. That would explain why she's so weak and insignificant to the team at the moment...

[–] DarthBill 15 years ago

^^So true, Storm got it pretty bad too, reduced to a non-entity simply because Wolverine sells more action figures. Even more ironic is that Wolverine usually got along better with Storm than he ever did with Cyclops [it probably helps that Wolvie & Storm weren't competing for the love of some woman ;)].

[–] Leonhart_v2 15 years ago

...it probably helps that Wolvie & Storm weren't competing for the love of some woman ;)].

umm... what?

Anyways I totally agree with the opener. You don't know how much I hate this exaggerating spotlight that Wolverine has. Im tired that Cyclops always has to look like a punk in order for Wolverine to look good. In the comics, Cyclops has really stepped up as a leader after the death of Jean. This series keeps making looking like wimp whining for Jean all the time. And i also hate how Cyclops is depicted as screw up. I used to like Wolverine back in the 90's but I can't stand him. I hate how the writers find an excuse to put him in every episode (major example episode 15). Episode 17 was such a diss to the X-men, and all to make that whore Wolverine look good.

(((((SPOILERS)))))

After watching the season finale, i have feeling that in Season 2 Cyclops will even look more like a wimp. Seeing how the future will be the Age of Apocalypse and Scott is with bad guys most likely what will happen is that he will suspect that Wolverine and Jean are having a fling which will make Cyclops leave the team crying or something like that and make him join Sinister. So I doubt we'll be seeing Cyclops regaining his leadership anytime soon.

(((((end of SPOILERS)))))

[–] DarthBill 15 years ago

umm... what?

It was a joke. A very bad joke. ;)

I agree with your post by the way.

[–] matty_cooly 15 years ago

[–] DarthBill 15 years ago

Because Cylops is always expected to be the leader and in control, it makes him interesting that he is a "putz." I don't know if I understand what you mean when you say he was lame even before Jean dissapeared - he was jealous because of her attraction to wolvie--not unnatural and a prevalent characteristic of Scott.

Episode 20, "Breakdown", clearly establishes via flashbacks that Scott was a worthless, hopelessly inept recruit who couldn't even handle a basic training simulation (much to the amusement of his fellow misfits) and was too stupid or too cowardly (or both) to blast Magneto at point blank range sans visor and needed Jean to basically lead him by the hand (or optic blast) to get anything done. At no point in that episode or any other episode is Scott ever shown to have been a capable leader or a competent hero before the events of the pilot, which makes the whole "fall from grace" plot meaningless because he was never shown having had an actual grace period to fall from, thus it is anything but interesting (ironically this plot worked out better with Warren Worthington III/Angel/ArcAngel).

Being jealous of Jean's attraction to Wolvie does not give Scott permission to blast him when his back is turned.

I have to agree with everyone saying Storm didn't get what she deserved. I hope they expand on her in the future. She's such a strong character (Xtreme Xmen anyone??)

They needed to think of an actual reason for why she couldn't be in charge.

[–] ZeroWolf86 15 years ago

Are you kidding me , Cyclops and Storm 2D leaders. Cyclops and Storm both have different style of managing the X-Men.

Lets’ face it , the writer of this show just want to use the status quo that Cyclops is the pretty boy who is a whinny pussy ,and lousy leader created by the Movie verse, just to make the Almighty Wolverine look good.

IF they really wanted to break the mold by other Media , they could use the current Cyclops in the comics , which has never been done.

Scott in the comic now has surpassed Xavier as the student. He's not just the leader of the X-men but also leader for the remaining mutantkind. He makes all the cold hard decision ,doesn’t whine like he use to and doesn’t take *beep* from anyone , yes not Wolverine and not even Xavier.

Even Magneto who always use look at Scott as Charles student now respects him as a great leader for uniting Mutant kind and as a equal. Of course if they follow this version then the Almighty Wolverine wouldn’t look so cool, would he? Cyclops not taking *beep* from Wolverine and Wolverine actually respecting him and following orders.

And let’s face it Wolverine is good leader when his leading teams like the X-force ,the black ops team formed by Cyclops that uses lethal force to permanently deal with threats against mutantkind. He’s good at doing thing not by the book, far from the public light .Doing the dirty wet work. He not suited in leading the X-Men .There a lot of politics and careful planning needed in trying to keep the facade of a clean image for the X-Men to the world that Wolverine probably doesn’t give a *beep* about.

Conclusion, this cartoon is a Wolverine love feast, it makes Wolverine look good at the expense of the other characters (There been so many thread pointing this out). MAJORITY of the public finally figured this out when origins came this year. Gambit , Deadpool where screwed just to make Wolverine look good.

Their over using and over selling him.If they continue with this changes , making Wolverine more mainstream then he's gonna lose all his anti-hero , bad boy , underdog charm that made him great in the first place .One day he will be the good looking ,responsible , powerful leader of the X-men.

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[–] matty_cooly 14 years ago

Woah, guys, we're getting really serious and defensive about a drawing here.

You have to realize and understand that the entire X-men (marvel) universe is created for the creators to cash in. They deliver us something favorable and enjoyable, and they do what they love to make money. Right now, Wolverine is so extremely loved in popular media - so if sacrificing that "characterization" of a few favorites (like Gambit [blah, I don't like him, never have]) - they cash in.

IF, however, you're right about Wolvie losing his bad boy image (he must be, I'm pet-naming him wolvie), then people will lose interest and they will let other characters develope - all for the sake of cashing in.

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