I've said this before and I'll say it again - this whole not being a goody two shoe thing is B.S. because he was a complete loser from start to finish. It didn't make him more "human" or "real" or "interesting", it made him a caricature, a stereotype, the one guy who doesn't like the boss because he can't stand how much better the boss is. He never won one for the team or himself. There's nothing interesting about a character who's basically doomed to fail over & over, and that's pretty much all he did in this series. His half assed origin episode all but stated that his whole life was nothing but a series of falling down over & over again.
As for being "tempted" by Frost, seriously, he never displayed any sign of being aware that she was interested in him no matter how many times she threw herself at him (in a network censored way of course).
Frankly, I find Wolverine's hack & slash routine dull.
Goody-two-shoes & loser are both stereotypes sure but at least 'loser' is something I've not seen in an X-men cartoon before for Scott. Plus, it was only season 1. Jean being brought back to him & Emma Frost dying would of effected him greatly I'm sure.
It's been a long time since I watched the series so I admit I can't remember how "tempted" Scott was by Emma... So I'll give you that one. I think for me, Scott automaticly became more interesting because Emma was interested in him and she's my favourite new character from the show.
Clearly your a Scott fan and I'm not but don't take that to mean I'm a Wolverine fan either, I'm not. His hack & slash is just as dull as eye mounted laser bears imo.
The characters I really like are Emma(Scott with Emma), Mystique, Magneto, Xavier, Polaris, Scarlet Witch & Nightcrawler, Dust, Gambit & Rogue(Wolverine in fatherly scenes WITH Rogue), Domino, Iceman & Kitty(I like the idea of them but hated them being kids in this series), Pyro(Not in this series, he needs more of a personal rivalry with Iceman).
I don't particuarly like any of the main X-men lol. Scott, Jean, Beast, Wolverine, Angel.
Edit: I actually wrote "eye mounted laser bears", best typo ever and best power ever.
"And she may cry but her tears will dry, when I hand her the keys to a shiny new Australia!"
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DarthBill
14 years ago
If all you want from Scott is to be a loser you can just watch the X-Men movies.
I seriously doubt Scott's situation would have improved in season 2. They were planning to do AoA after all, considering how poorly Scott was written in this show, they probably would have had him join the bad guys on account of Jean dumping him in front of the team so she could go hop on Wolverine's bike.
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Pyrofox666
14 years ago
I like Scott with Emma. There's a distinct lack of Emma in the movies.
"And she may cry but her tears will dry, when I hand her the keys to a shiny new Australia!"
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bellalpha
14 years ago
"eye mounted laser bears"
Now that would make an awesome character!
I don't know, the Scott in this was no where near as bad as the Scott in X3. He did see a redemption in the end, he wasn't a handicap in this, I don't even know it's correct to call him a "loser". He just seemed to stop caring about the world around him, now if you just saw your girlfriend and mentor get blown up right before your eyes, it would put you in a bad mood as well. I think his attitude was well deserved and not forced, he was probably better portrayed than Logan who seemed to feel no emotion at all for Jean's "death/disappearance" (I mean it fits his character, but he should have had a little more emotion or inner conflicts for it rather than none). Emma was able to warm up to him and change his character, and just when he was about recovered, Jean turns up and throws him another wrench. Then he discovers the true secrets and after some searching, he becomes himself again. It's probably the most range in character he's had in animation or cinema form.
Plus, complaining about Forge? That kind-of bugs me, this is the first time they are even acknowledging that he exists outside of the comics, and for a show where everyone is so serious, it doesn't hurt to have one guy for comic relief.
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DarthBill
14 years ago
I don't know, the Scott in this was no where near as bad as the Scott in X3. He did see a redemption in the end, he wasn't a handicap in this, I don't even know it's correct to call him a "loser". He just seemed to stop caring about the world around him, now if you just saw your girlfriend and mentor get blown up right before your eyes, it would put you in a bad mood as well. I think his attitude was well deserved and not forced, he was probably better portrayed than Logan who seemed to feel no emotion at all for Jean's "death/disappearance" (I mean it fits his character, but he should have had a little more emotion or inner conflicts for it rather than none). Emma was able to warm up to him and change his character, and just when he was about recovered, Jean turns up and throws him another wrench. Then he discovers the true secrets and after some searching, he becomes himself again. It's probably the most range in character he's had in animation or cinema form.
But in what way did Scott redeem himself within this series? Did he ever really step up and save the day? Did he take back leadership from Wolverine? No, he didn't achieve either of these things. Hell, in the end he didn't even save Jean, Emma had to save Jean for him. About the closest he ever came to 'saving the day' was bailing that Mohawked Morlock kid who grows up to fight alongside Xavier in the future, and that was more by accident than anything else. As for Logan, well, he apparently saw Jean as nothing but a potential one night stand.
It wasn't just that he missed his old girlfriend and mentor. They made it seem like he was pretty much useless before Jean came into his life, that he was never a real hero or leader and was never cut out to be an X-Man, which is not true to who he is in the books. He may not have had the best social skills, but he never had problems being a good X-Man. If anything, being an X-Man was easier for him than being just a regular person. He believed in Xavier's cause and tried to do right by the team even when they hated him for it. Jean helped him feel more open as a person, but he never needed her to make him a competent X-Man. When the Dark Phoenix saga played out in the comics, there were over 10 years worth of stories showing him being a competent X-Man, so you did feel a difference when he was grieving for Jean.
But this is not what this series portrays about him when they did his origin. What does this series say about him in Breakdown? That he was a pathetic weakling who could never pull it together, couldn't even get through one training simulation or properly stand up to a super villain before Jean came along and developed an unhealthy codependent "bond" with him. And then years later he apparently grew up to be an emotionally volatile brat trapped in a man's body who couldn't control himself when Logan started eyeing Jean. Yeah, Wolvie may have been a jerk for that, but it didn't give Scott the right to physically assault him. Not once in any episode, not even his botched origin episode, is he ever shown as being anything remotely close to the hero he's supposed to be from the comics. So yes, like it or not, Scott is a loser in this series, a worthless loser with no redeeming qualities. In fact, he's such a loser that the X-Men apparently don't care about him and only rescue him out of obligation, not genuine concern for his welfare. Hell, even Jean and Xavier don't seem to care about him in the long run of the series.
As for Emma "warming up to him", he was pretty much oblivious to Emma's interest in him and didn't even display an iota of concern towards her until the finale where she blew up. Frankly I'm surprised it ended on that note, considering that he's been with Emma in the comics for what, six years now?
Even if they had made season 2, I seriously doubt that thing's would have improved for him, especially when he was supposed to be going through his quote unquote "villain" phase for AoA. Were the writers seriously going to depict him as Captain Competent just because he had his old girlfriend back? Highly unlikely. Odds are they would have continued portraying him as a shallow, petty joke of a character so as to continue deifying Wolverine.
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14 years ago
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DarthBill
14 years ago
Well, unless the people involve say what story ideas they had in mind, we won't know now, will we?
Maybe, but considering that this show's whole philosophy seemed to be "Wolverine is always right even when he's wrong or at least borders on being a hypocrite", I still seriously doubt things were going to improve for Cyclops.
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