Highly Not That Great


This film is not the great piece of cinema many critics/ viewers seems to think or want it to be. It has the occasional effective moment/ sequence, and the use of sub-bass was quite original and evocative in the sound mix. However, it's essentially trying to be an arthouse film with enough mainstream/generic or light-hearted moments to appeal to your average non-arthouse-watching, can't-handle-it-too-grim-or-arty cinema goer. Therefore, it's hugely flawed. It's not really that dark, for instance, despite a bit of dark posturing, and the more likeable/ morally "okay" characters win out in the film's irritatingly moral conclusion. The bonding between the bingo-playing old bat and the cowboy sidekick was almost sickening, and was completely unnecessary if the film wanted to maintain a vaguely black/amoral tone (which it did initially appear to be striving for). I personally find the Coen brother's work to combine humour and a an enjoyably surreal darkness far more effectively, and to maintain a more amoral tone. It does not bare comparison to Fellini at all, for one thing there's none of that crazy visual bravura in the mis-en-scene here, and most of time and there's a deeply middle-brow quality to narrative proceedings. Unlike the great Italian films of 60s/ 70s (Visconti, Antonioni etc) the film is quite uninterestingly shot most of the time, with an overuse of extreme close-ups and close-ups, and with a very standard sense of pace in the editing. To be honest, even Dario Argento is far more visually exciting.

The inclusion of the thriller plot towards the end of film simply does not work that well, and feels contrived and somewhat unengaging: the film suddenly decides it no longer wishes to be a slightly arty chracter-study of a despicable old money lender and tries to be David Mamet to get the audience "on the edge of their seats" - it had the opposite effect for me ultimately. The supportings characters are rubbish - the cowboy friend is like something out of a bad "quirky" short film and the super model girl has no *beep* personality at all... The old woman who's addicted to bingo? God, it's almost Father Ted territory and without the madcap humour or silliness to make such stereotypes
genuinely funny.

Some of the music was quite well-used however, and it is still better than another moving/ funny film about the Holocaust or films about small boys and their relationships with wise old men who work in cinemas.


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I disagree strongly. L'Amico Di Famiglia is all about the the million shades that exist between what we see on the surface and what is hidden deeper. Paolo Sorrentino is a master of manipulation and deception, and he f ucks with us from frame one - the Mamet comparison is lacking. The film is about as ambiguous as you could want and absolutely refuses to be pigeonholed into a safe box. Can you name me a recent film that so complexly balances love and hate; longing and despair; humility and human evil; beauty and decay (physical and moral)?

And I'm sure that Sorrentino approves of you finding the characters/relationships sickening and pathetic. This is exactly how you should be feeling.

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I think you're confusing the fact I found his charaacterisation rather stereotypical and trite for me not being aware of how the characters in this film are supposed to make the audience feel - I quite understand the directo/writer's aims; they're hardly very very subtle, and he lacks the deftness and genuine ambiguity as an artist to conceal them or make us unsure as to what we should think about his characters... basically, the money-lender (the best and only developed character in the whole piece) is pathetic, horrible but a rather sad/lonely individual with few redeeming qualities. Blackadder frequently achieved a higher level of character sophistication than this film.

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I asked you to name me a recent film that so complexly balances love and hate; longing and despair; humility and human evil; beauty and decay (physical and moral), and you come up with something about Blackadder?

*banging head against desk*

"What's your name?"
"*beep* you. That' my name".

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Okay - I thought that question was simply rhetorical, and again the comparison to Blackadder was simply used to make a point about how simplistic and unimpressive this film is...

Err, forgetting your rather over-heated and slightly meaningless use of hackneyed abstractions (longing and despair? love and hate? you sound like a Hollywood exec! rather too general, n'est pas? could you be more precise - many films are about these thing in the loosest sense. And "complexly" isn't a real adverb.), I think I know what you mean:

How about Flandres by Bruno Dumont? This film is truly and brilliantly bleak, and the writer/ director genuinely attempts to show the extremes of human "evil" in his depiction of atavistic male behaviour, and yet he still reflects human beauty and desire in his work. He does this with such unfliching, brutal honesty that it's clear he doesn't care if he upsets and angers some of audience. This film really is complex, and its meanings and the questions it raises can be debated at length after watching it. Also, it rewards more than one viewing...

It pisses on Amico techinically, and is comparable to Antonioni - rather than a half-arsed rip off of the Coens.



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Before attacking language perhaps you should undergo some formal education yourself
"N'est pas" should read N'est ce pas.

"techinically" should read Technically.

You don't understand this film. Fine. That's not a crime. But you really should be able to come up with something intellectually more substantial than "pisses on" and "half-arsed", still given some of the audience on this web-site I'm sure you'll strike a chord .

As Bruno Dumont said of the film you so admire" My cinema is physical, it eliminates everything to do with the intellect"- no surprise you loved it then.
It is a very very funny film - pretending to be profound in that hilarious way that pseudo-intellectuals do whilst filming 91 minutes of drivel where a nymphomaniac and three farmhands go to war stopping off for a bit of rape and castration along the way. Hysterically funny.
And then there was Dumont's previous film- "Twenty Nine Palms" -hours of sex scenes with about ten lines of dialogue- as Dumont allegedly said "how I get away with it I'll never understand".

Dumont's stated ambition is to shoot a Hollywood epic with Brad Pitt and he has clearly adopted the path of making dumber and dumber films until Hollywood finally gets it- and they should give him what he wants as he's the perfect answer to the screenwriter's strike as his films have no worthwhile dialogue.

Dumont is great. He's the film directing equivalent of the "Emperor's New Clothes" only this time those who see have spotted that there's nothing there.

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The n'est pas was simply an English affectation - I can speak some French as well, but I was trying to be a bit Del Boy there... Sorry if it annoyed you. The "technically" mispelling was a typo, you boring pedant.

I've given an extended critique of the film in the comments section - which is also in this section. Please address your conter attack to this. Personally, I think there's nothing more intellectually insubstantial than someone who assumes ignorance/ misunderstanding when someone doesn't share their view of a film/ book etc.

I personally love the sparing use of dialogue in Dumont's work. The final speech in Flandres really captures the film's essence. I know it's annoying for the impatient and stupid that his films don't contain endless scenes of banal chatter. In most films this is clearly the case, and it would be more typical and less demanding if the moral and political meaning of the film were endlessly discoursed and made abdundantly and unambiguously clear. This is what the dialogue in Hollywood scripts often provides, and this is one of the true reasons Hollywood cinema is frequently dumb - its dialogue hammers home the meaning of its trite morality plays, resorting to clinches, explanatory speech-making, voice-overs and extended over-heated exchanges which come off like badly written theatre. Clearly Dumont's techniques have more in common with, say, Antonioni, in that's he not afraid of a slow pace, difficult ideas, moral ambiguity and, most importantly, he privileges visual and aural expression in his use of the cinematic medium, rather than the vocal/spoken element it has in common with theatre and literature. He certainly isn't Mamet, that I'll admit, but ultimately where a Mamet film may have power and originality in its dialogue, a Dumont film has equal power and craft in its visual story telling. Also, when people do speak in his film, it also has a certain resonance and power and works to provide small clues and concordances. The fact that you haved reduced Flandres to a few events you can remember from its narrative is telling, because it shows that its deceptive simplicity has indeed deceived you, and you think a complicated film about the terrifying realities of war and human nature is simple because it doesn't offer a convoluted narrative packed with event. Films which offer you space for reflection and consideration have angered you, because you didn't want to do any work for yourself. After viewing it, you were left with nothing, nothing more than the emptiness of your own intellect, because Dumont wasn't happy to accomodate your stupidity and spoon feed you. What, if I might ask, do you think of Antonioni's work, or Monte Hellman's, for that matter? Are you as happy to write off Two Lane Blacktop or Red Desert? Or Robert Bresson?

I undestand that, like many French auteurs, he has a tendency to posture when interviewed. However, it's clear that, despite their physicality, his films also exist on an intellectual level, and his deceptively simply, yet unconventional tales need to be considered intellectually, otherwise his ideas about human nature and society would be missed, and the films certianly aren't Hollywood concoction that can simply be enjoyed for their kinetic, physical pleasure, despite their ultimate vacuity.

I'm sure the Dumont remark you've taken out of context didn't mean he thought of himself as charlatan. Like Kubrick, and many "difficult" film-makers, he perhaps finds it surprising that, in such a conformist and unartistic industry, he is permitted to make such confrontational, misanthropic and original cinema.





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My God do you have a degree in "being patronising"

I adore Antonioni, a lot of Hellman and just about all Bresson's work.
For a journey into the hell of warfare I'd offer Klimov, and Wajda , disturbing, difficult, poetic , heartbreaking.

I can also see through a pseud like Dumont , though it matters not a jot to me if you worship the guy.

Try and defend your position or even take the giant step of engaging in an exchange of ideas and experiences , without referring to those you disagree with as "impatient, stupid and empty of intellect" - there is room for an enormous spectrum of styles and of opinions- enjoy yours-defend yours- just allow the possibility that no one person has a monopoly of insight- maybe there is no "truth of a film" as so much is subjective and coloured by mood , situation and experience.

All the best.

"And so it goes"

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You're right. It was unfair and rude of me to point out your failings.

But let's face it - your argument didn't put his work in any kind of cinematic context, nor did you engage with his ideas or style, and you simply dismissed him and his efforts in the most offhand and snide way imaginable. Your comments were less critique, more just cabbage-throwing insults. I'd say I was somewhat more engaged and thoughtful in my original critique of your beloved Sorrentino and his filmic farago.

Again, if you're so keen on Bresson/ Antonioni, why didn't you at least acknowledge of mention the use of film language in Dumont's films - since this is clearly comparable to the alienated, distancing style of these auteurs, as well as as Hellman:

"(his) vision becomes manifest through long shots of deliberately composed images that linger on the screen. Slight plots, sparse dialogue, and enigmatic or unlikable characters result in a narrative vagueness that provokes contemplation in the viewer, rather than providing simple entertainment."

This is actualy a quote from the FACETS website about Antonioni, but clearly (like him or not) it could equally describe Dumont. Instead of considering his style (you could, after all, have questioned his originality as a modernist), you preferred to simply shout obscenities and taunts, pretending the man was a charlatan and a buffoon. Unlike you, he clearly has a real sensitivity to and understanding of filmic form and style, so it's unfair and moronic to accuse him of stupidity/ ignorance, when there are oodles of directors who flail around cack-handedly employing the Hollywood montage style, directing by numbers.

Given the lack of depth, historical perpective and intellectual engagement in your comments, I'm afraid I can't give your perspective or thoughts on his work any credit, and I find the you wheeling out the "it's-all-subjective" argument to be very weak. Of course it is ultimately subjective (we're not discussing gravity), but that doesn't mean some positions and views aren't more convincing and powerful than others.

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Pathetic.
So much for my attempt to treat you with a degree of respect.

Views that differ from yours are exactly that- differing views- not "failings".

Nor are they "unfair and moronic" - though your resorting to abuse really does give the game away as to the flimsiness of your arguments, and your frustration that people don't accept your opinion. You sound like the man at the procession shouting "how wonderful"- "such glorious minimalist design "- "such art"- when he was looking at "The Emperor's New Clothes"

Your final surrender is sublimely ironic- to quote a review of Antonioni and say "it could equally describe Dumont"- misses the point- but only completely.
No it couldn't describe Dumont.

Enjoy all the films you can and respect other people's views- one of the glories of all art is that there are no "absolutes"- we bring experience, intellect, mood ,education and passion with us at the moment we face and experience a work of art.

Your views have as much validity as mine. Countless numbers loathe Ingmar Bergman's work-I love it with a passion and have done so since my late teens when I went every week alone to a local cinema showing his films . I have spoken with him , learnt from him,and will never tire of seeing again many of his "great" works.But I will always accept that many many will find much of his work dull, doom-laden, depressing and repetitive- and their views are- to me- as worthy of respect as mine.

And so it goes.

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And The Emperor's New Clothes argument isn't tired or flimsy then. Please justify your arguments with examples/ explanation, demonstrating some degree of intellectual engagement with the work discussed, and I might be slightly less condescending/ rude. This is internet, after all, and there's no reason why I should be polite when I find someone pretentious and cretinous at the same time.


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Well at least you've given the game away.

Your adolescent infatuation with a second (third ?) rate film maker is matched by your adolescent inability to engage in an intellectual discussion.

"Pretentious"-"Cretinous"- wow- if that's your idea of "intellectual engagement" I have to say it's not mine.

Have a great life- enjoy great films- smell the flowers. Entertain other opinions lest you end up "dying in your own arms"

And I can heartily recommend the '93 Brunello di Montalcino which I shall shortly be drinking as the perfect accompaniment to 26-day aged Angus Beef.

And a good day to all our readers.

And so it goes.

GoodBye

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Thankyou, Mr Jamie Oliver. A highly relevant point about the food - or is this a subtle joke at the expense of Marks and Spencer's recent advertising campaign? I hope you enjoy them both heartily, and finish them off with a fine cigar and a blowjob. I can just imagine you sitting there relishing them both, like a character out of modern day remake of L'Eclisse; or perhaps a follow-up to Peter's Friends...

By the way, no-one's reading this... Get a *beep* life.

I'm glad I got to you. And if it's adolescent to be rude, then I guess we're both spotty 15 year olds. Although I have to say you've managed to lend proceedings a unique air of bourgeois complancency/ pomposity.

I maintain my point - you never really justified or explained your views on Dumont. You just made unsupported textbook criticisms, many of which are decidely middle-brow and unoriginal - e.g. the Emp's New Clothes point. With an air of uptmost arrogance and self-importance, you felt it okay to traduce and dismiss his work, and you were too conceited and full of your own opinions to realise they needed to be justified by at least some evidence of thought-through analysis and genuine consideration.

And so it goes....

Toodle-pip.




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I thank you both. This was almost as entertaining as the film, and was the perfect "ciliegina sul dolce".

And, yes, I think that Sorrentino has a cinema voice worth listening to, a storyteller with a contemporary visual style. The film, while not without flaws, is entertaining and provocative, and a lot less pretentious than many of the other films often honored at Cannes for all the wrong (political) reasons.

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For me is a great movie.
Not for love (imposible love this perverse man), but the characters´ contruction is incredible strong, and Sorrentino build differents situation to show the lender´s soul.

I think this is a great script/directions work....!!!

Oscar from Rosario City
Argentina

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As much as I can understand from the essays written above in this thread, some people complain that the main character of Family Friend was too one-dimensional, utterly repulsive and negative, and the movie was therefore not "complex" enough to be called a really good movie. I can't understand such complaints. To me the main character seemed very complex. He was not some monster toward whom one can have no sympathy. On the contrary, I felt a lot of sympathy toward him. Sure, he did bad things and looked bad. But I can see where such a person is coming from. It seemed very believable how the debt collector himself thought he's doing good to people. I would say he's an entirely realistic character. And at the same time, a very extreme character because most people in reality don't go that far. That makes it a good movie.

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This film is not the great piece of cinema many critics/ viewers seems to think or want it to be.

This film is the piece of cinema you want it to be. It is the destiny of any piece of art. This is the max you can understand from such a movie. Everything you stated here is about you not about the movie. I find it funny when you say you understand what Sorrentino had in mind with this character.
As a matter of fact you are making a huge confusion between stereotypical and archetypal.
Geremia is an archetypal character not a stereotypical one.
He is Harpagon and Shylok and Scrooge all in one.
What Sorrentino has brought new to Geremia is explaining why is Geremia the way he is. He's not trying to redeem anyone; in fact none of the great Italian movie directors never ever wanted to redeem. That obsession for redemption is an American syndrome. I remember Fellini saying in an interview about "La dolce vita" he just wanted to tell a story about how sweet life can be, he never wanted to save / patronize anybody and he didn't understand why everybody took it so seriously.

Geremia is in the line of great theatrical characters of horrible men but there is something new about him we understand why he is like that...that dysfunctional relation with his father, his mother made him stay the forever child who couldn't grow up, extreme innocence is cruel... etc. etc. It is a great movie!

And the final scene: when he dips his face in the water.... that voluptuous pleasure to contaminate every form of purity with his filth. That scene is absolutely brilliant.

In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.

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