I think it's a great show and I hope he continues to make more. I just thought I'd add that since this board is so filled up now with disgruntled viewers.
"how's a fella go about gettin' a holt of the police?" -Karl
I wonder what would happen if Les does discover Big foot.
Would he become the most well known naturalist ever.
It's really a win win situation for Les. he get's paid to find or not find Big Foot and if he finds it...
Well we'd know before the show aired if he made the discovery. He'll most likely have to get some very good unhindered close-up footage of one to get noticed. People get hair samples tested and at best it comes back "unknown primate", or like in his case "95% human and 5% unknown" whatever that means, and it ends there. A big problem is most of the time people don't even collect the sample properly. If he got some good footage then it would get a lot of attention in the scientific community. It would send a shockwave and he'd be out with a team of experts doing a legit expedition. We've never gotten such footage though, none of that other stuff is good enough proof for anything other than weekend researchers to spend money their own money on sadly.
The thing I don't like about this show, the only thing I can see anyone having a problem with is, he's not alone 100% of the time. Other than that the only thing different from this and his other shows is he's not starving to death. Well he's in his 50's now I think the guy is probably tired of starving to death and risking his life and really enjoys doing this kind of show. I think he loves every second of it. How could he not want to do it! And people think he's ruining his credibility because his name is next to the word "bigfoot" and that's just nonsense. Sure he's in a few episodes with Todd Standing (a guy most of the bigfoot community really doesn't take seriously actually), but he's approaching this with a skeptics point of view the entire time. He's not a primatologist or geneticist but he's using all the critical thinking that he has.
They act like he should dismiss the strange things he's experiencing and that to me would be hurting his credibility. For the most part he lets the audience decide for themselves. And if you think he's just making all this up then you've never trusted the guy to begin with so why even watch. The only question I have for the guy is how the hell does he sleep out there by himself when this stuff is going on.
Anyway, there's enough national forest land in the U.S. alone to overfill the state of Texas (more than 3 United Kingdoms), there's bone from Gigantopithecus that if it stood up would be around 10ft tall and 1000lbs. This roamed the Earth as early as 100,000 years ago. Then the recent discovery of the 6ft tall Bili apes in the early 2000's, and the 3.5ft Homo floresiensis' discovered in 2003 which might have been walking around just 12,000 years ago. So for people to dismiss so many sightings/reports and American Indian stories etc. the way they do is foolish. All of these people, every single one, throughout centuries from continent to continent would have to be either misidentifying something, lying, or hoaxing to make these creatures a thing of imagination.
"how's a fella go about gettin' a holt of the police?" -Karl
Yet there has been zero actual evidence. Hidden cameras? Nope. I forgot though, they can "detect electrical devices". LOL! The excuses these people come up with...
shareSo for people to dismiss so many sightings/reports and American Indian stories etc. the way they do is foolish. All of these people, every single one, throughout centuries from continent to continent would have to be either misidentifying something, lying, or hoaxing to make these creatures a thing of imagination.
That's my stance on it. There may not be any hard proof but I can't look at the tens of thousands, if not by now hundreds of thousands, of reports and say they were all lying or mistaken. The probability of that is astronomically low, virtually impossible. So for me there's a higher chance sasquatch exists. I admit it's very bizarre no corpse has been found or any better photos taken. I can't explain that. All I can say is I don't think every witness is a liar, incapable of identifying a bear, or victim of a hoax.
The probability of that is astronomically low, virtually impossible.
Why would it be mandatory for sasquatches to hibernate? No other primates hibernate except for a couple lemurs in the tropics, and sasquatch is no lemur.
shareI realize minds won't be changed here. Just know that making assumptions about hunting habits, etc. of sasquatch is nothing more than wild, unfounded speculation. In fact all of what alleged bigfoot researchers say is pure speculation.
We're talking about a creature who's existence is overwhelmingly doubted by the scientific world. One fact stands alone. We had no specimen, no skeletal remains, no DNA (proven), no plausible fossil record.
Do you honestly think an 8-foot ape man could exist in every state, and yet be completely unknown to science? There is a technicality in logic, you can't prove a negative. This is what the bigfoot community hangs by a thread on.
I happen to have unique knowledge and experience, having lived and worked in the forests of the Pacific Northwest for many years. It pretty simple. Folks that go into the forest with no concept of sasquatch in their minds, never experience anything out of the ordinary. When bigfoots types go into the forest, they always hear tree knocks and imagine that things a re being thrown at them.
I'll take Punctuality
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Yeah, I noticed that the crazies have taken over that board.
What happened to Iconoclast? He seemed to be able to keep the sasquatch clods at bay.
I'll take Punctuality
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The only animals that need to mastermind tools are the ones that need them. Even chimps can hunt without the use of tools. Just because bears hibernate doesn't mean a large primate would...primates never do. No large mammals other than bear have to hibernate because for the most part they're lousy hunters and when winter comes there's nothing to forage. Polar bear are the only strict carnivorous bear and they don't even need to go into a hibernation to survive the arctic temperatures. This all changes if sasquatch can migrate, which with so many different types being reported I'm sure atleast some do. You can't assume an animal has to hibernate or hunt a certain way to survive when no one really knows exactly what they're eating. It's not a human, it's not a bear, it's not a gorilla. Who in their right mind ever thought the panda could exist, but they do.
"how's a fella go about gettin' a holt of the police?" -Karl
Use paragraphs.
This discussion points to key fact regarding the hypothetical existence of sasquatch. There is no plausible natural history for such a creature. I'm a wildlife biologist by trade, and every species known to science has a 'natural history'. This describes morphology, diet, reproduction, geographic range, etc.
For example, how do they hunt? Are we to believe they are so fast, they can run down deer and elk? This is very dubious considering their alleged massive size and height. Something that is bipedal, with feet that size would be slowed down. Bears are actually extremely fast in short bursts, and their body structure allows for it. They are low to the ground, and run on all fours.
IF sasquatch migrate, we would surely have a specimen by now? no? Animals that migrate experience mortality associated with long distance travel through potentially hostile territory.
Here's giant red flag for me as a scientist, when bigfoot folks make the argument that a small remnant population of a cryptid hominid might persist in the remote forests of Western Canada and the Pacific northwest, it almost sounds reasonable. When bigfoot folks say bigfoots are in every State except Hawaii, it becomes laughable. The idea that there is an giant undiscovered creature in Ohio, for instance is absurd. Ohio is densely populated and the remaining tracks of forests are slivers.
SO, the fact that people in States like Kansas, Oklahoma and Ohio are reporting bigfoots proves that eyewitness accounts are thoroughly unreliable.
I could go on and on about why its impossible for sasquatch to literally exist. Of course they do exist in the minds of those who seek them.
I'll take Punctuality
so these people that are describing human faces, massive shoulders, brownish-red hair, and large strides, are simply seeing nothing more than 1 of the million black bear in the united states? there's only around 1,500 grizzly in the lower 48 so their chances of seeing these in many areas where sasquatch are reported is extremely slim. texas, ohio, illinois, have more sasquatch sightings than almost any other state and their bears populations are nearly nonexistent, your statement that they're just too big and fat footed to catch a deer is just the assumption they hunt alone, but primates always live in groups.
"how's a fella go about gettin' a holt of the police?" -Karl
These are just unreliable observers, sorry. These people are either lying for attention, incompetent observers, or influenced by the power of suggestion.
Self proclaimed 'bigfoot researchers' are the most unreliable of all.
I'm a field ornithologist and I've served on rare bird committees where we review rare bird sightings. I know exactly how and why people make mistaken observations. Honest and well intentioned people make huge mistakes all the time.
The need to believe in a forest boogey man is as old as humanity. This explains all the bigfoot sightings quite satisfactorily.
I'll take Punctuality
still, mistaking a bird for another bird is much more understandable than mistaking a bear for a giant ape, when people report the foul odor, that's a gorilla trait, when people report having large rocks thrown at them, that's not a bear
"how's a fella go about gettin' a holt of the police?" -Karl
I realize minds won't be changed here. Just know that making assumptions about hunting habits, etc. of sasquatch is nothing more than wild, unfounded speculation. In fact all of what alleged bigfoot researchers say is pure speculation.
We're talking about a creature who's existence is overwhelmingly doubted by the scientific world. One fact stands alone. We had no specimen, no skeletal remains, no DNA (proven), no plausible fossil record.
Do you honestly think an 8-foot ape man could exist in every state, and yet be completely unknown to science? There is a technicality in logic, you can't prove a negative. This is what the bigfoot community hangs by a thread on.
I happen to have unique knowledge and experience, having lived and worked in the forests of the Pacific Northwest for many years. It pretty simple. Folks that go into the forest with no concept of sasquatch in their minds, never experience anything out of the ordinary. When bigfoots types go into the forest, they always hear tree knocks and imagine that things a re being thrown at them.
I'll take Punctuality
I'm not trying to convince you that there's a giant ape-man in the woods, even if I somehow did it would still only be "belief". You just have to see for yourself, and maybe one day you will get the privilege. Thanks for the replies.
"how's a fella go about gettin' a holt of the police?" -Karl
No, not really. Billions of people believe in things that aren't literally true, i.e. organized religion. Never underestimate the human capacity for wishful thinking and susceptibility to the power of suggestion. Your argument along these lines is fallacious.
So for people to dismiss so many sightings/reports and American Indian stories etc. the way they do is foolish. All of these people, every single one, throughout centuries from continent to continent would have to be either misidentifying something, lying, or hoaxing to make these creatures a thing of imagination.
"If 10 people went to the police saying they all witnessed a person murder someone, that's not enough to even bring a court case, let alone get a conviction." Haha, at the very least, someone is going to investigate.
"how's a fella go about gettin' a holt of the police?" -Karl
Yes, the chance of a bunch of people lying about something is just unfathomable, virtually impossible...right.
Idiot.
It's not easy to sleep.. i know i have been there.
I had spent time in the woods and i was stalked by bear(s).
How do you sleep after chasing away a 550lb bear at the front of your tent ?
Not too well when he comes back about 30 or 40 minutes later pawing at the back.
When i scared him off the the 2nd time the sound of his feet on the dirt
was LOUD and horrifying.. it runs chills up your spine LOL
I had 2 bears that would keep coming back.. 250 and 550 lb's roughly.
had to keep chasing them away.
I also had both within arm's reach on multiple occasions.
the smaller one towered over me like a huge monster..
I caught him one night as i was laying down to sleep for the night
when i noticed the crickets stopped chirping.
I figured something was up.
Opened the tent zipper door and sat in the door way for 5 / 10 min's
Looking around in the dark.. especially straight forward because
i had some type of cat sightings on other nights.. anyway
I looked left and i seen a wall of black. that blocked all of my vision on the left.
At first i thought huh well i dunno weird.. reached for my flash-light.
There was a massive bear about 250lb standing right beside me (to my left)
If we both reached out we could have shook hands.
His side was facing me but he was up on two legs with a slight bend in his back
he was scoping out a cooler i had outside beside my tent.
There was maybe a couple granola bars in there that is it..
Anyway when i got him with the flash-light he galloped a few paces briskly
then from that point on he walked way super slow turning back to look at me occasionally.
He didn't care i was yelling at him much.. he only picked up his pace
when i started hurling rocks at him LOL
He kept coming back..
Then another one started coming too.. 550 i estimate.. that one was HUUUGE !
i had 6 visual close up encounters.. try to sleep after 1 of those !
In one of the Big Foot episodes Les is in his Tent..
He heard some rubbing on the tent.. next day he had trail cam pics of a cougar.
When he was filming at the time in the moment he showed no concern.
I think he was crapping his pants the next day seeing how big that cougar was.
He knows how i felt camping i bet.. sleeping with sooooo much noise in woods
rustling by you close all night long etc is nerve wracking.
People have no damn idea until your stuck coping with it.
Different too when it's short term..
Try dealing with that every single night longer term !
he always says it's about 3am and getting through the night..
and that you prob won't get any sleep.. he's right.
try a week+ of that being up all night so tired ..and starving.
At least i had food when i did it.
A lot of arm chair quarter-backs and weekend warriors with 10 grand in camping Kit
know nothing about survival.. take way all their crap and see how they survive.
You have to be strong.. to survive !
It's what we do in Canada ;)
I liked them too and i hope he keeps doing them..
In order for all his efforts to pay off he will probably have to keep searching.
Going out and looking once or twice isn't going to cut it.
Problem may be the TV channel funding though.
And people if you thought they sucked then ask yourself have you seen better on TV about Bigfoot ?
I think Les has done the best Bigfoot type show i ever seen on TV
when it comes to being scientific an objective.
I think it shows Les is trying REALLY hard to be objective and honest with it all.
- so there you have it.. my opinion (the correct one)
Les made one of the more compelling arguments that Big Foot might exist. Frankly, I think his mission should be to attempt to find one in the deep Northwest wilderness. And take other survivor experts with him. This lone wolf mission dogma is unnecessary.
That might be the only show about Big Foot that I'd be willing to watch these days, with all the TV hoaxers televising their shows.
Funny how things like the Chupacabra, Loch Ness monster, Bigfoot, Ghosts and possessions were a craze until technology changed everything. Eye witness accounts mean nothing, but in years past that's all these sightings could rely on. Now everyone has an HD camera on their person 24/7, so there is no excuse for not getting pictorial or video evidence now. All of a sudden, people stop seeing them because there's no excuse for not having high quality HD evidence.
Look at UFO sightings, thanks to GPS and time stamp evidence it's very easy to determine where and when videos and pictures were taken, and even in the modern era people scream UFO when they see missile testing http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-secrecy-missile-launch-la-20151109-story.html In years gone past, these would have been chalked up to mass UFO sightings, now it's just people who should try watching the news once in a while before screaming outrageous claims.
Some people will do anything for attention, and I mean anything! http://hoaxes.org/archive/permalink/mary_toft_and_the_rabbit_babies Not to mention the amount of tourism and merchandising these sightings often generate. http://www.skeptic.com/insight/pilgrimage-to-bigfoot-country/ Attention and money, two things most people are starved for. http://www.logandaily.com/news/bigfoot-videos-planned-to-promote-tourism/article_582ac402-809b-57fd-ae8f-e316379aa6b5.html
yeah, eyewitness accounts mean nothing
"how's a fella go about gettin' a holt of the police?" -Karl
We may be the smartest creatures on this planet, but in case you haven't noticed we're still kind of stupid. If eye witness accounts were proof, then we share this planet with unicorns, leprechauns, mermaids, fairies, dragons, and all other such creatures too!
Even a Christian god doesn't seem to be a reliable witness; he keeps telling people the earth is flat:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+11%3A12&version=KJV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+7%3A1&version=KJV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+104:5
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes%201:5
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+9%3A6&version=KJV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+38%3A4&version=KJV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job%2028:24
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job%2011:9
But on a more serious note... about the existence of Bigfoot and the credibility of eye witness accounts. Eye witness accounts are not considered reliable:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/
https://eyeid.wordpress.com/2007/04/09/stress-effects-on-eyewitness-recall/
https://eyeid.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/new-study-shows-catastrophic-effect-of-stress-on-eyewitness-accuracy/
http://www.psych2go.net/memory-reconstruction-eyewitness-accounts-unreliable/
Imagine being alone in the woods, at night, with limited visibility, and seeing an upright bear. What's the chance a person may mistake it for something else? http://cryptosightings.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Bigfoot-is-misidentified-bears1.png Considering Bigfoot always seems to live where bears are prevalent too, and bear tracks can really look like Bigfoot tracks too. http://seasonontheedge.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Not-Big-Foot-big-Bear.-BrownBear-BigFoot-adventure-Alaska-GuidingInAlaska-HeadOnASwivel-NoPebbleMine.jpg
How did Columbus mistake this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steller%27s_sea_cow for this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mermaid Eyewitness accounts suck. http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2005-12-25/news/0512240086_1_mermaid-florida-manatee-sirens Is it really that much of a stretch that at certain distances and lighting that this http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_CjVaU5t69Pg/TNadIoDCSMI/AAAAAAAAAZo/pS-dyJMOsvc/s1600/dugong.jpg could look like a woman to lonely men stuck on a boat for weeks or months at a time without enjoying the company of a woman. I'd say so.
Sure Native Americans may have passed down stories of Bigfoot being real, but they believed in the existence of a lot of other fabricated creatures too. http://listverse.com/2014/04/20/10-eerie-native-american-monsters/ It wasn't just indigenous Native Americans either, all ethnicities had beliefs that ridiculous creatures existed. http://list25.com/25-mythic-creatures-that-never-existed-but-people-believed-in-anyway/ The Greeks believed in the existence of animals so peculiar that Dungeons and Dragons is hard pressed to create more interesting creatures. http://list25.com/25-most-legendary-creatures-from-greek-mythology/
i think it's doubtful they exist but !
I had a pile of bear encounters not long ago.
Every time i thought crap !
i wanted to get my phone out and get pic's or video.
And all i have is footprints on my phone with the camera LOL
I woudl be worked up and forget to use the phone
i also was more interested in getting my flash light and bear spray etc.
If i had to guess either way though i'd say no Big Foot does not exist.
But has there been enough to warrant investigation ? ..hey why not it's fun !
Les lost all credibility with this ridiculous show. When they found the trees falling over in a very obvious man-made pattern but insisted they had to eliminate human manufacture because it had to be snow load that was stupid. Did they look underneath the structure to see if there was any artifacts? Why were they surprised when they set out fresh apples, and the next time they came back it was gone! Every creature in the woods will eat an apple. His friend set all this up, this is just survivor man at his lowest.
shareYet, I still like to watch the show and would continue to if there's more. I just love seeing Les in the deep woods and his mannerisms and apparent sincerity. I know it's all bunk but I'm entertained. that's all that matters. Carry on Les..
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