NEW AGE PROPAGANDA


This movie is pure new-age movement propaganda and nothing else. Garbage.

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Yeah agreed. The spider web catenoid was cool though.

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I agree.

The science teacher, who should definitely know better, and his looney-tunes girlfriend were the most annoying thing to me. If one of my kid's science teacher tried to espouse that garbage to my kids, I'd try and get him fired!

An insult to science teachers everywhere!

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They could have easily made the explanations viable via mathematics and a little artistic license but chose to wrap it all up in eastern mysticism instead. It definitely detracted from the movie. And what did that line about "cultural pollutants" mean? It sounded suspiciously part of that but I don't know if it ever was explained as I turned the movie off halfway since kids were present.

If you really want a family-friendly and genuinely good movie, try National Treasure instead.

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"They could have easily made the explanations viable via mathematics and a little artistic license but chose to wrap it all up in eastern mysticism instead. It definitely detracted from the movie"

eastern mysticism was the whole point, it's why they ever even made the movie in the 1st place, to indoctrinate whoever they can with new age ideation. that was the only purpose of this film.

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originaltbyrd, you seem to have an irrational fear of Eastern mysticism and/or New Age ideation; what did they ever do to you? (Eastern mysticism, for example, has helped sustain the happy lives of countless millions of people for, oh, 6000 years.)

The main point of the story, whether the original (visible at http://www.scribd.com/doc/43321/Mimsy-were-the-borogoves-Lewis-Padgett-) or this version, was that the more flexible minds of children can handle unorthodox situations more easily than the more rigid, habituated minds of adults. The original version did not have the kids saving humanity, but the basic idea was still presented in the movie.

The film did not have only one purpose. In one sense, the purpose was to make money for its creators. In an artistic sense, the purpose was to show--as I said--that children might better be able to comprehend the unusual, and that we should (judiciously) pay them more heed.

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but what did it do for them in Eternity, silverhill..

the movie is propaganda, silverhill.

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The concept of Eternity is not alien to Eastern religions. Are you writing from a restricted viewpoint, by any chance--one particular concept of Eternity to the exclusion of any other concept? Defend your position, if so.

As far as the movie being propaganda--well, defend your assertion here too. Don't just throw out calumnies and expect them to be accepted unthinkingly.

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I dunno - helped them decay slower?

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They didn't die. It's a fictional, feel good movie. There doesn't have to be a spiritual message and fyi, I'm a Christian.

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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"eastern mysticism was the whole point, it's why they ever even made the movie in the 1st place, to indoctrinate whoever they can with new age ideation. that was the only purpose of this film."

Except for the fact that eastern religions are much older than Christianity, and *no ideology was ever espoused in the movie*....
But besides that, sure, they're clearly "indoctrinating" people by simply depicting someone having a different religion.

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This wasn't about eastern philosophy or eastern religions. This movie is the emobidment of the saying "any technology suficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic." In this sense, eastern religion (as portrayed in the movie) was only more primitive man's explanation for advanced technologies and advances in genetic engineering/engineered evolution.

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actually they couldn't have made explanations, because the entire idea was that it was science from the future that they, we won't be able to understand.

However, I think they old paintings work because when we look back in history their are old civilizations that have their own technology that gets lost, (stonehenge, aztec calendar, pyramids), it's a bit of a cop-out.

And face it the hippie science teacher is more likely to drive out to a parking lot because of a dream than technical minded math teacher.

some of the new age stuff annoyed me, and I thought the kids floating away was at the end was cheesy, but both human 'polluted' distopic futures and peaceful clean 'new-age ones' are very common in sci-fi, I think it was more a plot device and some people a freaking out a bit too much because lets face it everything is propgaganda

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Um.... and National Treasure was nothing but Propganda for the free masons. THe truth is all movies are propoganda for somebody.

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clintbotha wrote:

Um.... and National Treasure was nothing but Propganda for the free masons. THe truth is all movies are propoganda for somebody.

How very true. My stepdad was a mason, 33rd degree Scottish Rite, too. He was always going to lodge meetings. And when I asked what happened there, he smiled and said he couldn't talk about it.

People do like their psychodramas, hehe. They like to feel they're part of something larger than themselves, especially if it implies some kind of superiority over others. And keeping secrets, even if they're silly secrets, infers that power. FWIW, my stepdad later indoctrinated me into the Order of DeMolay - a "kind of" junior Masonic Lodge for high-school-aged kids. But unlike my stepdad, I'll tell you exactly what happened during a meeting. We all dressed up in silly robes of different colors and read from silly ritual books. And during public events like county fairs, we set up fundraising booths so we could keep on wearing our silly robes and reading our silly ritual books. Our "secrets" were so silly I don't even remember them. And my membership in DeMolay didn't even last through my senior year of high school ... because, frankly, I found the whole thing silly.

Later, in adulthood, my biological father encouraged me to join the Moose lodge. A few people wore silly robes and had titles inferring some kind of "majesty." But basically, I found the Moose lodge to be convenient place for "old folks" to meet, drink booze, and talk about "old times" - probably because these folks had nowhere else to go. I joined the lodge at his insistence ... and promptly left it after he passed away. I've never understood people who let nostalgia for the past completely rule their leisure time - and wouldn't want to solidify a relationship with a "remember-when" group.

But back to the topic at hand. Every movie reflects the "agenda" of the screenplay writer ... who further reflects the agenda of the original writer (unless the screenplay was original). And people who have opposing agendas are guaranteed to not like the film. But people who have agendas that are open to revision ... or who can suspend their disbelief long enough to separate their own agenda from the film ... will enjoy what they see (or at least be open to the potential for enjoyment).

P.S. One more aside on indoctrination and/or propaganda. I'm a child of the 50s/60s. When I and my peers were growing up, we didn't have all the diversions available today. And, a large number of movies on TV dealt with either World War II or the Korean War. So when boys watched this stuff day after day, what do you suppose they ended up playing on a nice day? Yup, we played war. And since most of our fathers were WWII/Korean vets, we were encouraged to join quasi-paramilitary organizations like the Cub/Boy/Eagle/Explorer Scouts ... where we got to wear "uniforms," earn "medals" (aka merit badges), salute "superiors," and learn to say our "Yes Sirs" and "No Sirs" like good obedient pre-military robots (grin).

Likely later on, many of us went into the military (for real, this time). But when we got out, we missed it so much we joined post-military organizations like the American Legion and VFW (Veterans of Foreign Wars) where we got to wear these neat military-style hats, earn ranks, and even earn pins for our hats. Many of our 50s/60s boys were tailored to fit a military profile ... before joining and lasting even beyond discharge.

BTW, I'm a Vietnam Vet. However, I drew the line on joining the American Legion or VFW. At the time of my discharge, they both seemed to be nothing more than mutual backslapping societies for WWII/Korean vets, who didn't appreciate that, in their opinion, their Vietnam Vet colleagues had (ahem) "lost" their war.

Hmm ... I've always wondered where the Veterans of Foreign Wars got its name. Hands up - all those who can name the last "domestic" war. Heck, even the Civil War was technically a foreign war since the Confederacy considered itself a foreign power, separate from the USA.

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How very true. My stepdad was a mason, 33rd degree Scottish Rite, too. He was always going to lodge meetings. And when I asked what happened there, he smiled and said he couldn't talk about it.
He was going to Fight Club. 😁

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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Ridiculous. Are you people afraid of "Thinking Different" (as apple would like us to)?

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I disagree, looking way to deep into a "childrens film". You must not look it from a modern (everying from the East is evil) view point and very adult stance. It is for children and I think children would enjoy the art and the special effects (especially for the bridge,) better than using maths! Jesus were you not at school how boring was that subject! Wake up, its for CHILDREN.

And what is wrong with looking at Eastern culture in a film anyway, Batman Begins anyone?



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I agree about the science teacher and his girlfriend. Some of the scenes with them, especially the last one, made me want to punch the person right next to me.

Cheers,

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"New Age Propaganda"

I couldn't agree more. Too many people believe in "theories" such as "Gravity". We need more people living on faith and not questioning what God gives us. Anything that inspires further prodding in questionable fields is completely against the good book.

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Dear SDrofl,

You're kidding, right?
"Too many people believe in "theories" such as "Gravity""?
"We need more people living on faith and not questioning what God gives us. Anything that inspires further prodding in questionable fields is completely against the good book."
First of all, such theories are more than proven by now. If you believe they are wrong, why don't you prove them wrong?
Second, where in said "good book" does it say anything like "thow shall not try to understand the laws of nature and physics"?
Third, you do know that it is exactly that kind of dangerous fundamentalism, that "My bible is the right bible and everything else is wrong" kind of thinking that makes people want to hijack airplanes and throw them against Twin Towers, right?
I just wanted you to know how dangerous you are.

Thank you

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SDrofl was being sarcastic / presenting a straw man. I do not think that was serious.

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It was a movie, hellooooooooo!?

I suppose the same critics would trash Mark Twain's work, or Lewis Carroll, Hans Christian Andersen? The movie had a message and is very underrated. Spielberg's Minority Report was also riddled with New Age, but I suppose what is acceptable is action movies with gangster themes (i.e., Oceans 11 series) that approve stealing as long as it is clever.

Hogwash, you try to make a film half as good as this one without offending someone like yourself.

Just go with The Last Mimzy, it was for children and provided the new agers as comic relief, but also appealed to adults.

Perfection is an unattainable goal demanded by egotists.


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I agree that it was propaganda. It's obvious when you notice that the people in the movie who were in the future were wearing plain simple hippy-like clothing and all talked in hushed voices, and the people in modern times were harsh and seemed to be obsessed with technology (Flat screen TVs were everywhere in this movie, even in bathrooms).

"If there's any real criticism contained in the original post, it's that the poster wasn't convinced. However, that's nearly out-shined by the fact that **the poster felt** his own views endangered enough to attack the film publicly with nothing more than a label. "

Wow! It's amazing how thinking you are right can automatically make you think you can read other peoples minds! Did Mimzy show you how to do that, or were you just assuming you know what he thought in order to make a point?

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You want to see some propaganda? Try the movie 'Jesus Camp.'

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I just got done watching the movie about 1/2 hour ago. Was there some eastern/new-age propaganda going on? Yeah, a little but not to the point that it turned me off (and I'm a Christian who does not believe in re-incarnation and some of the other points in Buddhism, etc.). Mostly, I found an enjoyable movie with no bad language or anything else inappropriate that I could actually watch with my kids in the room. I found the whole story to be more about a child's innocence - something we all start out with and eventually lose.

If I had any complaint it would be that even though I was glad I could watch it with my kids in the room, my 7 year old daughter was extremely bored except for some of the scenes with really cool f/x.

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"New Age Propaganda" That's a bizzare conclusion. The mandalas shown in the story are thousands of years old. The spiritual masters who created them understood something about the essence of what is behind reality which is what the movie conveys nicely in a science fiction plot.

And if you want to get on the 'preachy' side then yes, given our current trajectory, unless we wake up out of our materialist fascist stupor then if you project the statistics into the future then we are currently killing the planet ourselves. No need to project the fate far into the future. The next few decades will tell us whether we need to adapt some very radical views of 'life' and 'survival. I guess the flower children of the 1960's were also new agey. But I'd rather have people carrying flowers than guns.

I think if a man came on the scene with long hair and was able to walk on water that might also be too newagey for many folk who want to be told what reality is about rather than find out directly. But then again the kingdom of the heavens is within you.

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Not quite Junior, but close. First off, this film was riddled with new age mysticism that bordered on not only absurd, but annoying. Read my other posts on this movie (just click on my name).
Fairly ignorant of you to throw Jesus into the same pile as all other gurus and call it a mere matter of personal perspective.
Second, lay off Stigmatta. That "Kingdom of God is in you" qoute is also one that suggests personal percception rather than the acknowledgement of God's OMNIPRESENCE(everywhere all the time). By the wy, the Gospel of St. Thomas along with most of the other "lost" or "hidden by the Vatican" books of the bible were not included because of their inaccuracy, not to mention anti-semetic nuances among other reasons.
I said all that to simply say that I have a very black and white view of life, which if you think about it is the only mindset that has any stability. It is not wise for we as people to try ang generalize everything based on personal perspectives. There are some things in this world that are ABSOLUTE not matter what your perspective is. Water is wet whether you are in it or looking at it. Perspecctives do not change the facts. This film was far too whimisical and was lousy simply as a children's movie. Read my other post and get back to me.

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You conservative fundamentalists are pitiful. So you're terrified of "New Age Propaganda", are you? If you had any real faith in your beliefs, you wouldn't get so bent out of shape by other points of view. So a story created over 60 years ago is "New Age"? Get a clue.

How can anybody think this movie promotes anything other than an open mind (even to the point that people who run Homeland Security aren't evil fascists, but people like you and me who have wives and a sense of humor and are just trying to do their job)? People who need to "warn" others about this movie are, at best, people whose "black and white" views blind them to most of the world around them. At worst, they have their own agenda.

Even my 12-year old daughter (who loves this movie, and laughs at the idea that I "influenced" her opinion) finds the claim that this movie is "New Age Propaganda" to be "extremely stupid" (She made me write that part).

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I never said this was propoganda, I merely said that such themes are riddled throughout the movie. There was no "warning" on my part, merely my point of view. Either you agree or you don't. On the craft of filmmaking, I thought it was not crafted very well, special effects or not.

On the philisophical level I am absolutely opposed to the ideas. How would you expect me to lend positive support to anything I am opposed to. No agnda involved, take what I say or leave it. I would advise you to get your own clue since you lack the attention to pay attention to the simplicity of what I had written. Since you felt the need to reply to these "propoganda" statements, I wonder which of us is the bigger fool.

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"The Kingdom of God is within you" is a concept which obviously would appeal to Gnostics.

However, you are incorrect to associate it only with the Gospel of Thomas. Jesus says, "The Kingdom of God is within you," in the book of Luke.

(I anticipate someone will complain Luke is only one of the four gospels. The same criticism can be made of a huge amount of what Christians take as doctrine despite it appearing only in the book of John -- which was written longer after Christ's death than any of the others, and contains by far the most material not found in the others. I assume readers will know what "synoptic" means; if they don't, their knowledge of Scripture is shallow.)

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Very good. It would seem that you caught me off gaurd.....NOT. You are absolutely right and I honestly commend you for your input to broaden the scope. I only corrected that quote(to be perfectly honest) on the presumption that Stigmatta was the basis for the poster to use said quote. I only felt the need to address it in that manner and from that particular scope as presented by the movie. My presumption was based on his willful arrogance and seeming taunt as the quote was brought about. Synoptics was a well placed word(though coming off a little condescending) unless you were referring to it definition as it applies to meteorology(doubt it, just a joke). I personally do not post these things for debate, but for discussion; there is a difference.

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Drone5

I thought Luke had a brother named Bo

And they lived in the county of Hazzard

Ok people get a grip, it was a kids movie nothing more.

Everyone needs to take a chill pill and relax

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I've got one question about the Gospels which were not included due to their innacuracy.
I've always been told by priests and other theologist that one of the reasons they are sure the Gospels are true is because they (the Gospels) often agree on many points and when the same information is gathered from different sources it usually implies that information is correct.
Isn't it a lot easier to make the information agree when you just diregard the information that does not (the information that is said to be innacurate)?
And one other point, now that we're talking about accuracy. The problem with the Romans is that they were almost as good at the "art" of bureaucracy as we are today. That means they kept great records of everything. How come there are no (and there never were) any records of the census towards which Jeusus' parents were said to be headed when the "accurate" Gospels say he was born?
I know this has little to do with the subject of this thread, but I really would like to know your opinion on this.

Thank you

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No, you wouldn't like to know anyone's opinion. You've already made up your mind, or else you wouldn't have said: "there are no (and there never were) records of the census".

You're trolling.



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This film is more for adults than children. I honestly don't know of any child who would want to wrap their mind around these complex themes. I'd imagine that there were many children who were bored with this film. I enjoyed it, and thought it was somewhat brilliant - it reminded me of one of my favorite films, "Donnie Darko". I honestly can't see a child converting to the New Age movement because of this film. That's ridiculous.

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Is there even a "New Age Movement" to "convert" to? Where's their headquarters?

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1600 Pennsylvania Ave.



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Encouraging children to think independently and be open to possibilities hardly qualifies as propaganda. It's a necessary skill they take great care to teach students in a collegiate environment.

If you're only willing to consider one side of a situation without considering any other alternatives is not only negligent, it's against the very nature of what you're attempting to defend. Doing so is analogous to proprietary software that's fraught with security holes and programming bugs.

Many independent minds and varied ideas make for more innovative and robust solutions to life's problems, just as open source software is generally more stable and useful.

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I am a Science Teacher and I was insulted until the very end when it was shown that Eastern touchy feely philosophy was a sham based on the misinterpretation (in the past) of the future’s attempt to communicate with them. When it was shown Science had it right and the Eastern Mystics had it wrong.

But my disappointment was in the need to include all that mumbo jumbo to begin with. None of the flying children or Tibetan Sacred Shapes are part of the original short story Mimsy Were the Borogoves by Henry Kuttner. http://www.gwillick.com/Spacelight/kuttner.html The short story is a bit darker and better written. Especially since it was written in the 1950’s a dark time in American history.

Henry Kuttner is, in Ray Bradbury’s words “a neglected master.” Sad to day he passed away in 1958 at the young age of 42 before he could write more. But thank goodness Mr. Kuttner decided to be Bradbury's mentor. One can only hope this movie will spur interest in his writing. After 40 years, I have rediscovered them. If you liked The Last Mimsy, you will love The Twonky a story about an amoral stereo.


I’m open to the possibility it’s possible.
Is your mind open to the possibility it’s impossible?

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Insectboy,

Your mention of Bradbury's remembrance of Kuttner touched a nerve. Bradbury wrote the forward for a collection of short stories (The Best of Beaumont) by the late great Charles Beaumont - best known for his teleplays done for the Twilight Zone and Outer Limits. Beaumont died in his 30s of a disease that didn't even have a name back then ... and a disease rarely associated with one so young (but can happen) - Alzheimer's Disease.

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I rented this movie. The oh so beautiful flowery future and the teacher's narration was disconcerting, but combined with the metal detectors at an elementary school, the boxing scene on a tv, and the young girl complaining about killing the crab and disgust of eating a cow, I had enough. I couldn't stand more than 5 minutes of this.

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