Ok, I'm not getting this scene - picking him from the bar - Brothers (2009) Discussion

[–] Kate423 14 years ago

I don't know if you have kids, but I wouldn't leave my kids in the house alone for a second, no matter how close the bar was from my home. She wanted to help Tommy by going to get him, so she took the kids with her. I think she went to get him because he was her husband's brother and would want to do what her husband would have done.

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[–] LivAlex 14 years ago

Maybe you would have done something differently, like left your kids at home, and thats fine; to each their own. But I dont see whats not to "get." It wasnt at all a farfetched idea that she would bring her sleeping children along with her, not wanting to leave them home alone. Especially given that she had just lost her husband..they are all she had, I think its reasonable to expect her to keep them close.

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[–] elpresidente-4 14 years ago

I just find it a weird decision. It's too much hassle for 10 minutes absence. Anyway, it was a bad movie.

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[–] MinaBabaei 14 years ago

Lol, how old are you?
You can't leave two sleeping children in an empty house, whether it's only for 20 minutes, or hours. Doesn't matter, you just can't do that. I can't believe how you can seriously ask that question....
I hope you learn a little more on parenting before you have kids!

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[–] elpresidente-4 14 years ago

I'm pretty sure that in the same situation as that character, most people on Earth would choose not to go through all this just to take a 10 minute trip to the bar. Like 99%.

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[–] MinaBabaei 14 years ago

Then you don't know very much, I'm sorry. Your definitely wrong, and I'm starting to doubt that your serious, because no one above the age of 10 would actually believe that.
And who says it's only 10 minutes? Going down there, getting inside and dealing with the situation, dragging him back to the car, and driving back. Can't be done in 10 minutes.
And anyway, how long it took doesn't really matter, because only a very bad parent would leave their kids at home alone in the night, to go pick up a guy at a bar. What if the house caught fire? What if one of the girls woke up, tried to find her mom, and mom was gone? (Kids can do crazy things in that situation, like go outside to look for her). A million different things could happen, and as a parent you are usually a bit paranoid about those things, and you SHOULD be! And I'M pretty sure about 95% of all mothers wouldn't leave their kids at home alone in the night, not even for a short while.

I'm done trying to explain this to you, I refuse to believe your more than 13 years old.

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[–] jmbwithcats 14 years ago

There's a lot of bad parents out there though.
Maybe the only reason this kid can't fathom a parent doing that is because his parents kind of neglect him, the way my parents neglected me... maybe it's a cry for help, maybe he's just trolling, but you never really know someone ya know?

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[–] elpresidente-4 14 years ago

Of course my parents left me alone, for even longer than 10 minutes, many times, and I wasn't even sleeping. Because even at the age of 5 I understood the concept of staying home and waiting patiently for their return. Judging from the movie the older girl is at least 9 years old. When I was 9 I was half an adult. The problem in USA is that you treat children like some dumb retards who need to be watched over their every step and told what to do every second, and of course, they grow up accordingly, fully inept and unable to act responsibly on their own and learning to trust blindly their teacher, the TV, their boss, supervisor or politician. It's no wonder your country is in deep doodoo right now, with this kind of parenting.

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[–] MinaBabaei 14 years ago

"The problem in USA is that you treat children like some dumb retards who need to be watched over their every step and told what to do every second, and of course, they grow up accordingly, fully inept and unable to act responsibly on their own and learning to trust blindly their teacher, the TV, their boss, supervisor or politician. It's no wonder your country is in deep doodoo right now, with this kind of parenting."

Uhm... I'm Scandinavian.

"It's no wonder your country is in deep doodoo right now, with this kind of parenting."

Your right! NOT leaving your kids at home at night is SO irresponsible!
I'm sorry elpresidente, but you obviously don't have a clue about parenting, what you are saying isn't right. If my neighbor left their kids at home alone at night, I would call Child Protective Services. And you can bet your --- that they would remove the children from that home, if the parents kept leaving them. Thats neglect.

"There's a lot of bad parents out there though.
Maybe the only reason this kid can't fathom a parent doing that is because his parents kind of neglect him, the way my parents neglected me... maybe it's a cry for help, maybe he's just trolling, but you never really know someone ya know?"

I agree 100% with you, and I think your right about elpresidente.

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[–] elpresidente-4 14 years ago

Wow, you're a horrible person! How can you rat someone out to the CPS for leaving their children at night? I tell you this - if I was your neighbor, one of us has to move away. It looks like Scandinavian countries are no better than USA. I'm glad you told me this though. I'm never going to any country that threatens to take my kids for any reason. And you actually believe Child Protecting Services has the right to take your children away for such a stupid reason? Man, I don't want to insult you but you clearly have no idea what kind of people work at CPS - pedophiles and whatnot.

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[–] MinaBabaei 14 years ago

"Wow, you're a horrible person! How can you rat someone out to the CPS for leaving their children at night?"

That sentence is just so wrong it's hard to answer. You're asking me how I can 'rat someone out' for being bad and neglecting parents? I can't help being the kind of person who won't stand by while people mistreat their children...

"I tell you this - if I was your neighbor, one of us has to move away. It looks like Scandinavian countries are no better than USA"

Don't pretend like you know anything about Scandinavian countries, and honestly, you can't even compare Denmark to USA because these two countries are so extremely different, it's almost funny to compare them.

"And you actually believe Child Protecting Services has the right to take your children away for such a stupid reason? Man, I don't want to insult you but you clearly have no idea what kind of people work at CPS - pedophiles and whatnot."

Oh God.... When will you understand that it's not a stupid reason? And again, don't pretend you know anything about CPS here in Denmark, because unlike other countries, we don't care what the cost is, if a child is being mistreated, abused or neglected, they will do something. Yes, the government here actually cares about the people. And no, in Denmark theres a list on all known pedophiles, people who've been caught watching child pornography, etc. and they are not allowed to work anywhere near any children. The laws here surrounding this are VERY strict, e.g. a man working in a kindergarten isn't allowed to change a kids diaper if no one else is in the room.

Please, you have to understand that you can't just leave your kids alone in a house at night.. I still can't believe you don't get this, it's common knowledge.

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[–] elpresidente-4 14 years ago

Uhm, no. The way I see it, government structures can intervene only if the parents are physically harming the children, not if they are hypothetically creating a dangerous situation, which is not dangerous at all. Anything beyond that means you have given away your freedoms and your children are not yours anymore if other people can take them away just like that, because you left them sleeping in their beds. You live in a fascist state if the state can take your children for any stupid reason and force its morals on them. States nearly always become corrupted at some point, so the moral of the state is not something that is 100 percent pure.
Why shouldn't I leave soundly sleeping children in my house, which I know is locked, and in a safe area? You think streets after midnight will be any safer with all the drunkards returning from the local bars?
I can't believe you can't grasp this.

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[–] MinaBabaei 14 years ago

Wow, this discussion is getting ridiculous. it's NEGLECT. Do you know what that word means?
I'm done with this conversation, if you don't understand that neglecting your children is wrong, then I guess there's nothing I can do to convince you.

" You live in a fascist state if the state can take your children for any stupid reason and force its morals on them. States nearly always become corrupted at some point, so the moral of the state is not something that is 100 percent pure."

Again, why the hell are you pretending to know anything about Denmark?! That sentence just proves that you know nothing, haha...
I'm not even going to try and educate you (God knows you need it), since you refuse to understand anything.
Have a nice life, and by god - never have children. Growing up with you as a parent will seriously screw a kid up, if they even live to see their 18th birthday...

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[–] elpresidente-4 14 years ago

Even Shakespeare knew there was something rotten in Denmark, and he was a pretty smart guy. So, there's that.

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[–] Avanine-Commuter 14 years ago

I would like to know where YOU are from, because any decent 1st world country would have child protective services that benefit abused and neglected children. While I'm not sure if leaving your kids at home ONE TIME would necessarily be grounds for CPS intervention, I AM sure that you know nothing about correct parenting. It made PERFECT sense for her to bring her children out with her; you are deliberately being dense and rejecting common sense. Is it a hassle? Yes. But your kid's safety is worth it.

Oh, and besides, you're complaining about a stupid situation that you're wrong about in the first place. Just because YOU wouldn't do the responsible thing doesn't mean it's wrong or a flaw in the film. Grow up and rid yourself of your ignorance before judging others.

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[–] elpresidente-4 14 years ago

I know nothing about correct parenting, but you're ready to rat out someone to the CPS for no reason so their child can be molested by some greasy pervert? Gimme a break here. All "1st world" countries are run by fascists, and that's a fact. They just don't march on the streets and don't raise arms in salute.

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[–] Avanine-Commuter 14 years ago

Ah I understand, so you're living in a *beep* hole and you're jealous of us. Okay. I'll forgive you for your ignorance since you obviously have had no education and no idea of how civilized parents are supposed to treat their children.

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[–] elpresidente-4 14 years ago

Yeah, I know it sucks to realize you live in fascist state, but trust me, it's better to realize it this way, than to wake one day and realize you've lost your children because someone though you're talking way too loud to them.

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[–] Vegas_Babe 14 years ago

What is the matter with people? I compleatly agree with elpresidente-4 she's going to a bar why would she bring the kids with her? I guess it would be kindof a different story if the kids were awake, but they were soundly asleep so why bother to wake them up? If she locked the doors and she's in a safe neighborhood and she's just running out to get whatshisname, she shouldn't have really bothered bringing them along. I understand everyone elses point of view but everyone is going a bit over board. And how exactly is it neglect? She's just running out to get him from a bar! It's not like she waited for the kids to fall asleep so that she can go out and party and get drunk. Sheesh people calm down!

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[–] elpresidente-4 14 years ago

Thanks, Vegas Babe, I thought I was the last sane person on the planet. Glad to see some people are still using their brain, than media programmed patterns.

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[–] Vegas_Babe 14 years ago

lol you're welcome ;)

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[–] Avanine-Commuter 14 years ago

Nothing better than a concrete example to prove a point, eh? Thanks Lennon.

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[–] Avanine-Commuter 14 years ago

Way to bring everything off topic. Don't blame the United States for being responsible parents. I'm not the one who said those kids will be repossessed like furniture or something, but I do agree with her bringing the kids with her for safety. If you want to bring it back to the movie, you're just arguing against a stupid little fact in the film that you didn't agree with. It is COMPLETELY REALISTIC for her to bring her kids with her. Do you know how far the bar is? Do you know how long the drive is? Do you know how safe her neighborhood is? Do you know what kind of person she is? Do you know what her kids mean to her especially after she lost her husband? Do you know what kind of upbringing she had? No. So stop assuming that if she doesn't do it like your mentally-incapable self would that it's wrong.

And once again, I would LOVE to know what Sh!thole nation you live in that DOESN'T have child protective services?

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[–] elpresidente-4 12 years ago

I can't believe you're soo shallow.

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[–] mrjacs 12 years ago

Get your *beep* act together. Leaving a kid that's old enough to sleep alone, alone for 10 minutes (or less) isn't a *beep* crime. Leaving for an hour is another thing though...

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[–] elbouirmani 13 years ago

Wow,I'm from Morocco and we don't do that either (could be because of the snakes:))
It has nothing to do with nationality, parents naturally worry about their children.
On the occasion Your parents may have had the time to explain to you that they were going out, so you could be emotionally prepared. however the children in the movie were sleeping, and would have panicked if they woke up and couldn't find their mother (especially since they just lost their father).

You can judge a government, but judging a whole country (quite a big country) is ludicrous.

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[–] jbm784 13 years ago

I have 4 children and I can tell you right now that I would never leave any of them home alone at the age of 5 for even 5 seconds let alone 10mins. What if the house burnt down, what if someone broke in, what if they hurt themselves.

You do NOT take any chances with children, their lives are so precious, why risk them just because it is a hassel??

If it is going to be too much of a hassel to be a parent, then don't have children.

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[–] mrjacs 12 years ago

I think you're the type of mother who will still sleep with her children when they're 30. Haha, drag kids to the friggin car for 10 minutes? Even if she lost her husband, that's just plain *beep*

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[–] rhorhoda 13 years ago

I don't have kids (none for me thanks!) but I still agree. As far as I am aware, in my state anyway, it's totally illegal to leave young kids alone in a house for 10 minutes even...

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[–] MinaBabaei 13 years ago

THANK YOU!
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[–] john_lennon 14 years ago

two words son, Madeleine McCann.

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[–] elpresidente-4 14 years ago

Madeleine McCann was abducted not from her home but from an unlocked rented apartment in a foreign country, which cannot qualify as a safe area. It is extremely dumb thing to leave your kids unattended while in a foreign country. You cannot compare her situation with that from the movie.

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[–] Avanine-Commuter 14 years ago

You say you cannot leave your kids unattended while in a foreign country, but it's okay to leave your kids unattended at home for god-knows-how-long to pick up someone at a bar? Don't ignore my questions from my previous post. You have run out of things to say because trolls don't actually argue- they just lose.

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[–] elpresidente-4 14 years ago

Of course I will leave them. I know the area, I know my neighbors, I know the locks are good, why shouldn't I?

It looks like you can't make a difference between home country and foreign country. Also, you can't make a difference between a locked and unlocked door. In short, you have a low IQ.

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[–] Avanine-Commuter 14 years ago

Oh man here it begins? So you continue to ignore everything I've said about the film and go off on a straw man attack that just shows exactly how stupid you must be. "you know the area, neighbors, and locks", and just how many times have those failed to do any good? Aren't there crimes in even the best neighborhoods? Wasn't Kitty stabbed to death in the streets near her home with her neighbors just watching, doing nothing? Do you know how easily a lock can be picked? Yeah, I thought so.

And my IQ is fine, tyvm. Stay on topic. And I'm laughing at the fact that you won't state your country of origin. Shamed?

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[–] elpresidente-4 14 years ago

My country of origin is Bulgaria. Crimes happen everywhere, and locks can be picked, however one must have to be pretty paranoid to worry about it. In the city where I live I haven't heard of any mysterious disappearing of a small child from their home, or street or whatever. Such things simply doesn't happen here. How do I know? Well, my father worked for years in the local police department so I'm pretty informed about the level and the type of crimes that happen here. We're relatively average sized town, we know each other.
Now, I know that USA is a different matter and you are like beasts there, constantly waiting for every opportunity to do harm to each other, so taking precaution measures may be indeed justified. The point is, when people like me who live in normal communities, see a movie like that in which the character acts in such a bizarre way, we find it funny and sad that the paranoia has reached such astounding levels in the ol' USA.

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[–] Avanine-Commuter 14 years ago

"normal" and "bizarre" are both very subjective. Just because you're not used to the way things are in the States does not mean that it is wrong. When I see people eating lunch in the afternoon in Europe, do I say "wow that is so bizarre why are they doing that?" ? No. I understand it's a different culture and they have different manners of living/thinking. It is strange to me, but I won't write it off. When you say "wow, that is so bizarre that she would take precaution with her kids at night", you shouldn't write it off as "stupid" or "paranoid". You are assuming a lot about her character and their neighborhood, her background, her morals, her parenting skills, etc. that you don't know for sure. It is a MINOR detail in the movie that isn't too hard to understand.

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[–] leiastarkiller 13 years ago

I cannot believe this conversation. Kids can get kidnapped in any country. Your good neighbours could be child molesters for all you know. Besides that obvious danger, what if there is a fire? What if your child wets their bed? Or has a nightmare? You don't leave your young kids alone while they are sleeping! Ever.

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[–] ImAlsoTheWalrus 13 years ago

elpresidente is the most ignorant, hopefully-not-soon-to-be parent ever.

You don't even make any sense. Just because a town hasn't had a kidnapping, doesn't mean there NEVER WILL BE ONE, dumbass. And oh yeah, you know every single person in your neighbourhood? You trust them? You trust them on your children's lives? What if a stranger comes in town, huh?

Like other posters said, what if they're a fire? One of the kids wake up, and call the police since you're too much of a dumb ass to not be there?

Case closed, you make IMDb look like little 10 year olds who know nothing about parenting.

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[–] Postpattern 13 years ago

I agree with you. I think the mother actually put the kids in more danger by taking them with her to the bar at 3am in the morning. She also left them both in the car while she was inside paying the bartender.

I think in that situation it would have been safer to leave them sleeping at home with all the doors locked than to take them to a bar at 3am. Also, we really don't know how far the bar was from their home but I assume it wasn't more than a 10 minute drive. So, at most she would have been gone was half an hour.

Sure a lot can happen in half an hour but a lot could also happen in the 8 or so hours we all sleep during the night as well. So according to a lot of you sleep isn't an option when you have kids and if it is then you take turns with your spouse to keep watch on the kids.

So, I guess when you guys shower or use the toilet they are in there with you guys too so you can keep watch? LOL

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[–] lfeldmar 13 years ago

It depends on the situation...I would probably leave the kids at home for a half hour if it was during the day, I'd tell them were I'm going, when I'll be back, and who they should phone if something happens, like their grandparents for example. Also, the kids seem well-behaved, so they wouldn't trash the house or something like that. But if its in the middle of the night, I wouldn't leave them, because when they wake up and their mum is gone they'd be scared and maybe do something silly, like go outside to find her

Edit: on the neglecting children part...we're not talking about a week, but about an hour or so. They don't have to do anything in that time, they don't have to cook or clean or anything else, they could just watch tv or play or whatever else these strange little people like to do. As long as they know an emergency contact (the grandparents seem to live nearby, and are probably retired) they should be fine.

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[–] djsnafu23 9 years ago

I'm so glad you wrote this, does everyone else suffer from more paranoia than your average junkie? Why does logic gets bashed as negligence once your sperm has oned with an egg?

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[–] hppg 13 years ago

Lots of people wouldn't leave their kids alone at night. It's not far-fetched at all.

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[–] HalfBloodPrincess1967 13 years ago

My uncle was an alcoholic, and would frequently call my Mom to come get him, because he couldn't drive, the cops were after him, because he didn't have plates on his car, ect. That scene actually made me think of the times when that would happen when I was a kid. I was about 5 at the time, and she ALWAYS took me with her!!!! This was in the early 70's, and I wlaways went, no matter what time it was. You just don't leave children that small alone at home, it's neglectful. Just because the movie portayed it only taking 10 minutes for her to go pick him up, doesn't mean it really took that long. The film was just showing you enough to portray what was happening. Something like that would take longer, still, it would be neglectful to leave small children alone, even for only for 10 or 20 minutes. However, when I was older (about 9 and up) I would be left alone every afternoon during the summer, because my mother worked. Nothing ever happened, and my aunt and my other uncle (not the alcoholic one) lived right next door. Bailee Madison was about 9 when she did this movie, but I think her character was supposed to be younger. At least she didn't look 9.

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[–] dagaul101 12 years ago

It was an odd scene, maybe there was no baby sitter, and the relationship she had with Tommy was that he could get himself in some serious troubleSource:Movie Brothershttp://moviereviews.noskram.com/2010/01/movie-brothers

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[–] christianeagles 12 years ago

I guess I'm the minority here but I don't see anything wrong with leaving your kids at home to sleep while you pick up your drunken brother in law at a bar.

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[–] pokrishka 12 years ago

Americans are all too obsessed with their kids. In Russia, kids of the age of the older daughter do pretty fine on their own, not only at night when they are sleeping, but also having fun outside at day.

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[–] RoadSideAssistance 8 years ago

Yah I agree. I wouldn't take them. They weren't infants. The brat daughter was old enough to know what an affair and f'ing was for goodness sake.

If I was just going to grab someone real quick I too would leave the kids and just go.

Now everyone is always so over protective with their damn crotch trophies.

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