I have a question about Cuthberts character spoiler
Did she really exist at all or was she Bob's fanasty girl?
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She was real. And she may be sitting at home in the wheelchair waiting for Bob to come home....
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Yes she exists. He thinks that it is Paula at the water cooler. From the moment that he sees Coleman (wearing Bob's shoes) everything else is a flash before you eyes kinda thing, what would happen if it wasn't him doing the killing but doing the saving. I think that he realises that it is EC and doesn't want to kill her but save her... hence the fantasy. SO he decides to kill himself.
shareShe was his fantasy girl. Maconel had a crush on the unapproachable, unpleasant, self-absorbed Paula, so he created a fantasy girl who was a composite of Paula and the hula doll. Notice how strongly the hula doll's facial features and hairstyle resembled Venessa (Elisha Cuthbert).
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No. Johnnygee's right. It all makes sense that she never really existed. Bob hated Paula, as did the whole office, and he imagined the exact opposite of Paula for him to rescue. Who wouldn't want to resucue the nice girl?
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po-teh-toe, po-tah-toe, it is all open to intepretation.
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Though JohnnyGee's interpretation is the best stated, yourmakerawaits is probably the most "correct." The director purposely left it ambiguous whether Vanessa actually exists; he says as much in the commentary.
Remember that he created at least one alternate ending where she's definitely real. He couldn't have done so without some ambiguity in the first place.
That said, there are also a lot of purposefully unearthly aspects about Vanessa, like the way the paper snowflakes start blowing around when she's about to walk by, So it's definitely wrong to claim, outright, that she was "real."
I personally like the idea of Vanessa Being non-existent. The flashing of Vanessa to Paula and back to Vanessa was something. Also the big thing for me is the fact that Vanessa disappears while standing over him along with the hummingbird. The rest of the employees are still there looking at him. But Vanessa vanishes as if she was a dream.
Habataitara modorenai to itteshare
Mezashi-ta no wa aoi aoi ano sora
WWJDFAKB. I am a cristian, and u got me laughing! I think people throw J's name around too much these days?
share> I think people throw J's name around too much these days?
Definitely. Jesus was a fine prophet and had many smart things to say. But it is folly to think that he has a hand in every thing that every person does all the time.
But many people do think that. Even worse, they think that he only has a hand in the "good" things that happen. I mean, if God dictates everything, then he is behind puppies dying and our brave soldiers getting blown up. And he eventually gets around to killing everyone.
Jesus gave us some jolly good rules to live by and we should honor him by living moral and just lives.
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She was a real person. That he wanted to be with, so he made her his girlfriend in his fantasy.
shareOn the alternate endings the writer/director has a scene where Maconel pulls out a journal and writes how Vanessa said, "love the hula doll." The camera pulls back to reveal the entire page is filled with similar entries about these tiny moments of her interacting with him. Further, the whole journal is filled with these daily moments and the w/d suggests that these little moments are what keeps him from going off the deep end and that should a day come when she doesn't interact with him in some small way is the day he'll lose it with the gun.
shareIf Vanessa was a fantasy, then why did other people see her?
Why did other people talk about her being paralyzed?
Maybe she never did have a real relationship with him, but she as a character was real.
I dunno, I haven't watched the whole movie yet...I'm at the part right after he pukes on the girl in the car, lol.
-Amanda
"She will remember your heart when men are fairy tales in storybooks written by rabbits"
Duh, they talked about her being paralyzed because it was all his fantasy. You should only comment after you watched the whole movie as it was not revealed so until the end.
Perhaps she did not exist, at the end of the film, she disappeared and 4 other colleagues, including Paula was all he saw. I actually wondered where Vanessa went but if the twist was that she did not exist, it actually make sense.
*You are not gay enough, but it's just my very subjective opinion.
Personally I DON'T think, that it was all in his head.. I think that everything we saw happen, happened.. Coleman and Malconen were two different person, and I get the end like a comparison to the COLEMAN's case, another QUIET MAN. Because of the comparison we see Bob hallucinating the scene with "the a-hole" looking for him (and when you watch the looking scene from the beginning and from the end, you'll see that it is DIFFERENT- this could be the filmmakers mistake though)and also Vanessa instead of Paula.. The main thing, because of I decided to believe this version was the bullet. When Bob is rising his shoe, we clearly see that the bullet is flashing (one frame there is, one there's not), which points to Bob is hallucinating.
maybe I'm wrong, but this is how I get it. Maybe somebody has the DVD, is the director talking about how it is(and isn't)?
according to this, Vanessa exists, and she liked Bob.. The photo of Vanessa with the boss was history, Bob should'nt freak out and should stay at Vanessa's house.
This movie was bizarre. I thought it was supposed to be a dark comedy, but that it is not.
From the moment nobody was concerned about why Bob had a gun at work in the first place, it all appeared to be a fantasy. I think the woman was real, and it seemed he had some sort of extra long meltdown before committing suicide.
I was not that fond of the movie, but I think Christian Slater did a really good job with his role.
Very hard to tell, because the film maker themself are not very clear about this.
*spoilers ahead*
evidence:
1) The woman at the water cooler is way too similar to Paula. She just fades into Venessa.
2) Venessa fades in the end. The others stay.
more evidence:
3) both alternate ending scenes shows how *Coleman* shoot *Maconel* with 5 bullets. In this ending Venessa never appears in the crowd of the "looking guys". Just Paula. Venessa fades in later when all others are gone and seems to say "I love you" (no voice to hear, just her mouth moving).
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4) In the second alternate ending ("life saver") *everything* was a fantasy. Bob awakes when his lunch alarm beeps. Venessa walks by, says her "love the Hula Girl" and he opens his drawer, takes out a notebook and writes down what she said.. Camera zooms out and there are many, many notes about her ("Venessa said Hi", "Venessa at the water cooler" and stuff).
Taking the "final" ending and the first alternate ending I would say, it was all in his fantasy but his death. Even Venessa. I think Paula has the job which Venessa had in his fantasy. Venessa is just how he wanted Paula to be. Nice and lovely. Remember what Paula said in the car when taking him home and add what Venessa said about her career in the restaurant. So, I would say Paula = Venessa.
What does not fit in is the second alternate ending where I would say, *all* of this was in his fantasy. Besides Venessa.