elisha cuthbert tit double? - He Was a Quiet Man (2020) Discussion

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[–] dio52 16 years ago

Why? It's a fair question. You never saw the tits and her face in the same shot.

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[–] big_carp 16 years ago

I agree, that's the same thing I said to my roommate as we were watching this. I'm thinking it was a double, but who knows.

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[–] transmentalist 16 years ago

According to the commentary, it was. She chose among three girls just before shooting. Then, during screening, she told the director that it didn't seem that big a deal in retrospect.

Funny thing is, threads like these mean it IS a big deal whether an actress exposes herself or not. Whether they should or not (and I'm of the opinion they should not - but how often do people do as they should?), fans unfortunately WILL look at an actress differently once she's "bared herself." Silly but true.

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[–] djparker2006 16 years ago

so i have read everything and im still non the wiser, me and my wife both watched it, i thought it was her but my wife insists because of the different shot's, it must of been a double, but i think with a body like her's she should get them out...
lets hope we see more of her in her future films..

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[–] Travesty_42 16 years ago

so i have read everything and im still non the wiser, me and my wife both watched it, i thought it was her but my wife insists because of the different shot's, it must of been a double

It's a double. If you look, there's a mole in the middle of the doubles chest that isn't there on Elisha's. It has been discussed in other threads on this board.

Also, Elisha Cuthbert doesn't do nudity.

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[–] camocspro 16 years ago

Yes its a double for 2 reasons .
1) the mole
2) Elisha's boobs aren't that small

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[–] AmrBS007 15 years ago

Definitely a tit double
As Much As i Love Her
I dont Want Her To Do Nudity

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[–] madsam 15 years ago

i too think it is a double, i think somebody said in the commentary they mention the double. that being said, they did a great job. If you look closely (which i did... lol) the mole that cuthbert has was duplicated on the double. it is a different angle so it is not as prominent. i dont think it is her though because she seems to be a bit more stacked than that.

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[–] The_Kidman 9 years ago

tits or not. Elisha did some really great acting. Much better than 24 hours

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[–] johnnylightfire 8 years ago

If Elisha was EVER going to get nude on film it would've happened in Girl Next Door. That was the right vehicle for nudity. But she avoided that. She hasn't shown her lady parts in any movie I've ever seen, but she does have a lot for us to visualize in her multiple steamy Maxim magazine cover shoots. She is one fine sexy actress!

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[–] nobodies666 16 years ago

I'm glad she didn't want to actually be nude and that it was a body double. I respect her a lot for not wanting to take part in any nudity in her acting.

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[–] m-slovak79 16 years ago

i overall gotta agree with 'Oneandonly Mrs Marquette' ... cause even though one side of me wants to see it (i.e. my 11th finger is doing the thinking lol) at the same time i think you can respect a girl more if she does NOT do nudity. ;)

p.s. on a side note... i think Jessica Biel is great looking as she's probably the most attractive girl 'under the age of 30' in hollywood pretty much (at least in my opinion) and she aint done nudity yet... but supposedly she will in 'Powder Blue' so even though i wish she would not do it... at the same time, i dont think i will be complaining to much if she does ;) lol

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[–] elfthehunter 16 years ago

I'm actually of the opposite field of thought. Now, yes I am a guy and as such I understand that my thoughts are a little clouded in the subject, but I do believe that this is my opinion even with sexual interest out of the equation.

Here's the thing, my favorite actor (any gender) is Christian Bale. He has shown the largest acting range I've noticed and is flawless in everything I've seen him in. But there are plenty of actors who are as talented, but to me what makes Bale above the rest is that not only is he incredibly talented and not only that he is a genius as far as acting is concerned, but that he is absolutly committed to his craft. Watch The Machinist and try telling me this guy won't do just about anything to fullfill a role. I have no question that if a role requested nudity he wouldn't bat an eyelash at it.

Now, when someone like Elisha, Jessica Alba, etc... won't do nudity I see it as a lack of commitment to their craft - ok, that sounds too harsh. Everyone has their limits of how much they can commit (including Bale) and their line is just lower than others. And I understand that they want their acting ability and not their bodies to be the reason they get roles. But does anyone seriously consider the acting ability of Jennifer Connely, Kate Winslet, Radha Mitchell, etc who have bared themselves? If you are confident of your acting, why are you afraid that exposing yourself will outshine it.

And while I want to respect their choice - and I will continue to watch anything Elisha is in because of her performance in this film alone - but when they claim that they don't want to do nudity to avoid using the "sex card" then I can only wonder why they are willing to play a porn star. I mean, sexuality is a big part of their roles - whether they show skin or not. But I do think I'm beginning to talk about something I don't fully grasp, there's plenty that affects their decisions that I don't know. I just hope that their refusal to do nudity doesn't keep them out of that perfect role.

P.S. I'm trying to create a trangle of Christian Bale's acting range, like the furthest extremes of what he (so far) has shown himself capable of doing, so that by watching three films you can truly experience the best 'summary' of his work. So far I have Harsh Times, Rescue Dawn and I'm Not There. Anyone have any other ideas that could fit better?

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[–] Travesty_42 16 years ago

Now, when someone like Elisha, Jessica Alba, etc... won't do nudity I see it as a lack of commitment to their craft - ok, that sounds too harsh. Everyone has their limits of how much they can commit (including Bale) and their line is just lower than others. And I understand that they want their acting ability and not their bodies to be the reason they get roles. But does anyone seriously consider the acting ability of Jennifer Connely, Kate Winslet, Radha Mitchell, etc who have bared themselves? If you are confident of your acting, why are you afraid that exposing yourself will outshine it.

I understand what you're trying to say about commitment to their craft, etc., but you have to consider that there is a huge difference between the frequency and relavence of male and female nudity in Hollywood. Just think of the difference in reaction that a male actor would get if they declared "I will not do nudity." No one would care because male nudity is so incredibly infrequent and almost never called for.

And while I want to respect their choice - and I will continue to watch anything Elisha is in because of her performance in this film alone - but when they claim that they don't want to do nudity to avoid using the "sex card" then I can only wonder why they are willing to play a porn star. I mean, sexuality is a big part of their roles - whether they show skin or not.

The interesting thing about her role in The Girl Next Door is that she was originally supposed to do nudity. It was in the script, but she convinced the director before he hired her that it was unnecessary, and she was right. Her being nude in that film would have changed nothing about her characteer or the plot of the movie, and may have actually hurt it. She was supposed to be an EX-pornstar, who was desperately trying to leave the industry. Her being nude may have cheapened the effect of that aspect of her character.

In my view, nudity is actually very rarely required in most hollywood films where you see it. It's just become so common that people don't really realize that, and only notice it now when someone says they won't do it.

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[–] lartrak 16 years ago

"In my view, nudity is actually very rarely required in most hollywood films where you see it. It's just become so common that people don't really realize that, and only notice it now when someone says they won't do it. "

There are VERY VERY few cases where I'd go so far as to say it is REQUIRED. But I've seen a number of cases where nudity enhances the role. The Cooler, for example. Would its love scenes have been as effective sans any nudity? I don't think so. Could the film have still worked. Yes, certainly.

It bares a slight similarity to saying you don't need to show the direct effects of violence in a film. Sometimes, that's exactly the point. And sometimes it is indeed better not to show anything at all.

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[–] C.S.Wood 15 years ago

Here's the thing, my favorite actor (any gender) is Christian Bale. He has shown the largest acting range I've noticed and is flawless in everything I've seen him in. But there are plenty of actors who are as talented, but to me what makes Bale above the rest is that not only is he incredibly talented and not only that he is a genius as far as acting is concerned, but that he is absolutly committed to his craft. Watch The Machinist and try telling me this guy won't do just about anything to fullfill a role. I have no question that if a role requested nudity he wouldn't bat an eyelash at it.

Now, when someone like Elisha, Jessica Alba, etc... won't do nudity I see it as a lack of commitment to their craft - ok, that sounds too harsh. Everyone has their limits of how much they can commit (including Bale) and their line is just lower than others. And I understand that they want their acting ability and not their bodies to be the reason they get roles. But does anyone seriously consider the acting ability of Jennifer Connely, Kate Winslet, Radha Mitchell, etc who have bared themselves? If you are confident of your acting, why are you afraid that exposing yourself will outshine it.

And while I want to respect their choice - and I will continue to watch anything Elisha is in because of her performance in this film alone - but when they claim that they don't want to do nudity to avoid using the "sex card" then I can only wonder why they are willing to play a porn star. I mean, sexuality is a big part of their roles - whether they show skin or not. But I do think I'm beginning to talk about something I don't fully grasp, there's plenty that affects their decisions that I don't know. I just hope that their refusal to do nudity doesn't keep them out of that perfect role.

The easy answer is that Bale and those other actresses you have bared all are in fact actors. Cuthbert, Alba and the others want to be movie stars. It's not until they're not getting offered as many rolls or they feel their career is down the tubes will they start taking their clothes off, and by then no one cares about them anymore (Neve Campbell, for example).

As much as I'd like to see a hot actress's dirty pillows, like Radha Mitchell and Winselt and other actresses that have gone nude, I respect them so much for for doing so just because they could easily get a double but instead they buck-up and do their own nudity. Just like when an actor chooses to do their own stunts instead of using a stunt double, I commend an actress who goes nude if she has the power to use a body double, assuming it's not just for publicity.

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[–] Travesty_42 15 years ago

The easy answer is that Bale and those other actresses you have bared all are in fact actors. Cuthbert, Alba and the others want to be movie stars. It's not until they're not getting offered as many rolls or they feel their career is down the tubes will they start taking their clothes off, and by then no one cares about them anymore (Neve Campbell, for example).

That's such a giant load of crap.

Why is it so shocking for people to think that some individuals can love acting, but not want their private parts displayed on video for the entire world to see? How is that remotely shocking, or even surprising?

That BS you just spewed about them not wanting to be actors is ridiculous. Especially in Elisha's case. She's practically had more major roles in independent films than in blockbusters. She even funded an independent project out of her own pocket because she loved the script and it otherwise might not have been made. You can't say someone who's willing to do that doesn't want to be an actor. Not to mention the fact that she actually makes an effort to stay out of the tabloids.

Just because you respect someone for going nude doesn't mean you have the right to disrespect those who choose not to.
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[–] C.S.Wood 15 years ago

Why is it so shocking for people to think that some individuals can love acting, but not want their private parts displayed on video for the entire world to see? How is that remotely shocking, or even surprising?

Because it's true? Your comment is such a giant load of crap it makes me laugh. I will use a laughing icon to demonstrate how amused your silly comments are to me

You see? I used three. That means I was highly amused 3x.

That BS you just spewed about them not wanting to be actors is ridiculous. Especially in Elisha's case. She's practically had more major roles in independent films than in blockbusters. She even funded an independent project out of her own pocket because she loved the script and it otherwise might not have been made. You can't say someone who's willing to do that doesn't want to be an actor. Not to mention the fact that she actually makes an effort to stay out of the tabloids.

Well, that BS you just spewed is ridiculous. Especially in the case of Elisha. She's had major roles in independent films instead of blockbusters because she needs to work to live. She funded an independent project. And? She makes an effort to stay out of the tabloids. And? She's getting work so she doesn't need the publicity. Right now. When she can't raise money to fund her own projects and she can't get cast in anything else I wonder how long it'll be before she suddenly finds the right role to go nude in (err, Neve Campbell) and then by that time no one will really care except Mr Skin.

And let's be perfectly honest here, she's a mediocre actress at best. Her claim to fame is 24, which most people hated her character. If she doesn't want to do nudes or play in blockbusters that's her choice and frankly I don't care. But I believe if you're doing something you love, something you care about, you do it with all your heart. I professional swimmer doesn't not swim because the water is too cold. A storm chaser doesn't not chase storms because it's just a little too windy. A magician doesn't not do a stunt because it's a little too dangerous. An actor shouldn't take a role in which it is required they do something they wouldn't want to do.

If Elisha doesn't want to show her body then she shouldn't sign on to roles that require her to. So this is me taking your stupid comments and shoving them right back in your face because when it comes down to it I was a lot closer to being right than you were.

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[–] Travesty_42 15 years ago

Because it's true?

It's shocking and surprising because it's true?

I professional swimmer doesn't not swim because the water is too cold. A storm chaser doesn't not chase storms because it's just a little too windy. A magician doesn't not do a stunt because it's a little too dangerous.

Yeah, because these situations are really comparable to having your nude body on display for the entire world to see for all time. Please.

And by the way, those are all pretty awful analogies. I'm sure there are quite a few swimmers who won't swim in water that's too cold, storm chasers start running away when situations get too hairy, and there are plenty of stunts I'm sure magicians won't do because they're too dangerous.

Well, that BS you just spewed is ridiculous. Especially in the case of Elisha. She's had major roles in independent films instead of blockbusters because she needs to work to live. She funded an independent project. And? She makes an effort to stay out of the tabloids. And? She's getting work so she doesn't need the publicity. Right now.

Oh, how is it ridiculous? You insinuated that all she wants to be is a "movie star" and she isn't a real actor. Everything I pointed out is evidence to the contrary. People that just want to be famous don't drop drop hundreds of thousands of dollars on a project that practically no one will see. They also don't make a conscience effort to stay out of the press. "Right now" or ever.

And let's be perfectly honest here, she's a mediocre actress at best.

That's your opinion. You're certainly entitled to it, but it doesn't have any particular "honest" quality that makes it more legitimate than another.

But I believe if you're doing something you love, something you care about, you do it with all your heart.

Acting isn't about showing your tits. It's about creating compelling and believable characters. A ton of the nudity that's in modern film doesn't even provide character development. I can't see how anyone can rationalize that because an actor doesn't want to show nudity, they're not dedicated or putting their heart into it.

If Elisha doesn't want to show her body then she shouldn't sign on to roles that require her to. So this is me taking your stupid comments and shoving them right back in your face because when it comes down to it I was a lot closer to being right than you were.

You're not closer to anything.

All the stuff about "not taking roles that require nudity" is nonsensical. That's on the producers and directors shoulders. If an actor or actress isn't willing to do nudity then they shouldn't be hired. It's not like the actor is signing on then breaking a contractual agreement. It's the producers and directors that decide if there will or will not be nudity, and if a body double will be used. If you don't like the choice they make, bitch at them.

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[–] jahzielkym 16 years ago

jessica biel has a nude scene at london with chris evans right?

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[–] C.S.Wood 15 years ago

I'm glad she didn't want to actually be nude and that it was a body double. I respect her a lot for not wanting to take part in any nudity in her acting.

Now, if only we can get her to not take part in any talking in her acting she would be perfect.

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[–] sigu828 16 years ago

it seems like a clear cut, since that scene was so fake.

at one time, though, Slater was holding her real twin peaks.

I guess she will do it after 30s. It's really not a big deal for actresses considering how hard they have to do it to get a role, just like Vanessa (almost VP after one year of work). look at Sophie Marceau, Halle Berry and Helen Mirren.

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[–] Moviebuff2014 16 years ago

duh, an obvious and worthless body double

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[–] transmentalist 16 years ago

Funny thing about "obvious" body doubles is that they DO typically leave room for the audience to conclude that a double was used.

Partly it's just practical - until recently there was no practical way to pan from face to body AND use a double. It's theoretically possible now with motion control and computer-assisted smoothing, but it's never done.

Seems that, when a double is used, the director consciously or unconsciously leaves cues or clues so the audience, if they care, will know it's a double.

Mamet once wrote an essay criticizing movies that show a character playing piano, but slowly pan from hands to face, because the director is "showing off" that the actor himself/herself really is playing the instrument, which subsequently distracts and detracts from the film's actual story.

Seems like the nudity thing works similarly. Showing off that you're actually seeing the real McCoy distracts the audience from the movie's actual storyline.

Just a thought - but maybe there should always be room for doubt whether a double's used or not, just so the audience doesn't get distracted by the "reality" behind the film.

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[–] WatchTheSkies 16 years ago

Actually from what I hear actor's contracts strickly prohibit any CGI or "tricky compositing" to overcome their nudity clause. In other words, you cannot REMOVE pasties on nipples and put in CGI nipples on the real actor's body. It's right in their contract.

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[–] almontin 16 years ago

Seemed obvious to me it was a double, skin tone and colour just didn't match at all with Elisha's skin. Plus I'm somewhat sure Elisha doesn't have such flawless ones, she doesn't look that good in cleavage. But hey, she's a good actor still :p
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[–] Travesty_42 16 years ago

Plus I'm somewhat sure Elisha doesn't have such flawless ones, she doesn't look that good in cleavage.

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[–] PanteraFan4 16 years ago

what the hell is the big deal with not wanting to do it? wat do you think the girl who double her says? "Why not do it?" besides is it just because she didnt want to show her breasts or because she didn't want them grabbed?? i know there's a shot of slater holding them so this doesnt make sence to me. it's okay for a guy you barely know to hold and grope your breasts but not okay to just display them for a few seconds???

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[–] Travesty_42 16 years ago

it's okay for a guy you barely know to hold and grope your breasts but not okay to just display them for a few seconds???

Would you rather have 1 random woman hold and grope your penis or would you rather have it displayed to an entire movie-going audience and recorded on film for your entire life, and beyond?

wat do you think the girl who double her says? "Why not do it?"

There's a huge difference because no one knows who doubles are. You don't see their faces. They're completely anonymous. I'm sure that girl does say "Why not do it" because there won't be any ramifications for her. It's different for a star since everyone knows who they are.

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[–] yourmakerawaits 16 years ago

That was her stunt double. The hands didn't belong to Slater too. Stunt double.

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[–] VettaKing 16 years ago

I hate body doubles, although it's good for the people getting the work. Either pony up with the goods or don't show any nudity at all. When I see a scene like this one, which so obviously uses a double, I immediately start thinking about the phoniness of the scene and don't even care about it anymore. It takes away from the movie.

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[–] JimTyndall 16 years ago

In case you are not aware, all actors/actresses must give specific permission for nudity and sex scenes and they can withdraw that permission at any time up until it is actually filmed. Some welcome nude scenes, others forbid them.
In Elisha's case she was a replacement for an actress who had to back out of the movie. Writer/Director Frank Cappello says on the DVD comments that she came to the location on the first day of production to let Frank know that she had agreed to the role. Her contract not only prohibits nudity, but also CGI of her breasts. The body double was a work around to her prohibition of nudity.

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[–] tvashtar2919 15 years ago

I would like a clause in my job contract, which allows me to decide which parts of my responsibilities I feel like doing. If you are not willing to do absolutely everything in the movie, then you should not take the job. Actresses audition and beg for these parts, then demand that the director change the writers storyline. There are plenty of roles available that do not have nudity in them, if that is your standards and career choice. When there is nudity in a script, then do not bother to take the part if you are unwilling to do the job completely.

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[–] Travesty_42 15 years ago

I would like a clause in my job contract, which allows me to decide which parts of my responsibilities I feel like doing. If you are not willing to do absolutely everything in the movie, then you should not take the job. Actresses audition and beg for these parts, then demand that the director change the writers storyline. There are plenty of roles available that do not have nudity in them, if that is your standards and career choice. When there is nudity in a script, then do not bother to take the part if you are unwilling to do the job completely.

You're making a completely retarded argument. Just because there's nudity in "the script" doesn't mean jack. It's not black and white. Actors and actresses have a ton of input on what finally ends up on screen. She was obviously able to convince them that the movie would be better without a nude scene. If they agreed, then that's fully within her right. If they truly needed it in the film they would've found an actress to do it.

Both parties agreed on a contract before she "took the job." It's not like she agreed to do the nude scene and then said "Oh, by the way I won't do that even though I said I would."

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[–] tvashtar2919 15 years ago

Your point is already suspect, as you resort to name calling right at the beginning.

Obviously it needed a nude scene, because it is in the movie. It was done so badly that there is continual discussions about her having a body double. Its not like the director told her to perform actual oral sex or something. The script called for a show of breasts, which was probably in there before she applied for the job. It is usually such a distraction from the flow of the movie, that if the director changes his mind and tries to add something later, then the actress should be paid for her time, then go hire another one that is willing to do the job as requested. It becomes a huge deal, because they make it into one.

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[–] Travesty_42 15 years ago

None of that matters. Both parties agree on a contract. If it doesn't say in the contract that she has to perform a nude scene, then she's done her job "as requested."

By the way, the reason there's so much discussion about it is because people want to see Elisha Cuthbert naked, not because it's some kind of flow-shattering distraction. It becomes a huge deal because people like YOU make it into one, not them.

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[–] walter907 15 years ago

... If you are not willing to do absolutely everything in the movie, then you should not take the job.

LOL, you're funny. Scripts can change up until the movie is wrapped. The studios would LOVE to see you coming - someone who is willing to do ANYTHING to get on film. So when your PG-rated movie changes directors and the new guy has a twisted artistic vision, you could find yourself in an R-rated slasher movie with ultra-adult content. Everyone else walks off the set in disgust. But your contract is an iron-clad blank check and there's nothing you can do about it except grin and bear/bare it or go to court. Have fun. Oh, and you're doing it for next to nothing with your name in the credits below the animal wrangler, (ah yes, the animals), in the "Special thanks" section.

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[–] rubirub 12 years ago

Was the scene necessary? I think it would have been better without that tits' scene.

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[–] jmbwithcats 12 years ago

Yes she did, in fact I was on the woman's page on imdb who played her double recently, she plays a lot of people's doubles in movies.

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[–] Doc110894 10 years ago

This was a pretty bad scene.

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