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The Real color of the Cross


No it is not white or black it is crimson. No other color matters as long as you have been washed in the blood. Go see the show with that in mind. We as christians or already way to devided to let a movie seperate us more is pride. When God created us in his image so that can only mean we serve a God of many colors. So go see this movie with color blindness and see what the color of the cross really wae

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It would be a woody brown. Probably dark tan.

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They Should do a Latin Jesus for the next movie.

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Uh-huh. How about an Asian Jesus?

I wonder, could 'people' even take that idea seriously?

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Andromeda, given the fact that Jesus is an Israeli, he's Asian :)

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Uh, Jaime.....there were no Latin people in that area. Asian would be much more possible.

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Okay. What are we even trying to discuss color, race, etc? Are we all going to
have a "jesus" that fit our lives? Although I do believe that Jesus was probably
black also...

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Jesus was black? common sense would suggest he would look similar to those from that region. That would not be black.

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Can you say for certain there wasn't a single black person or black family for that matter? I don't think so!

Jesus would be at least dark skinned, and not what most people consider white European nowadays.

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I never disagreed he was dark skinned.

I can not say for certain there were no black families but it's highly doubtful there was a jewish black family living there.
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considering there were no planes, trains or automobiles, almost no one of that time never traveled more than 100 miles from their place of birth so it would have been impossible for jesus's mother to travel from africa to bethlehem.

Since the bible spells out where Jesus was born, raised, visited and dies, it's pretty obvious Jesus was not black. Not only that but Jesus was Jewish and Africans 2,000 years ago had no concept of Judaism.

the people that call jesus black are racist because they can't deal with the idea of a jewish israeli jesus

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Given the HUGE amount of black settlers in the region at that time, it's ignorant to discount the chance that Jesus was black. Well, it's halfway ignorant to assume he existed, given the records we have (and don't have) about him.

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Umm, both of you ... Jesus WAS Asian.

(His skin color may debatable, but there's no question about his continent of origin.)

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with cheech marin as jesus

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I was thinking Benecio del Toro.

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Well if we make it a latin, why not a latina.
Lets put Jennifer Lopez up there. And we'll turn her around with her facing the cross, so we can all look at that beautiful behind :)

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I'd pay to see that film, mate! :D

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Sorry, but now that we no longer know whether he looked black or Asiatic, the smart money will cover both possibilities by casting The Rock.

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heh heh heh. get out of my head! this is what i was thinking.

at any rate are they fricking KIDDING me? he was black and his death was a racially motivated hate crime? excuse me whilst i hunt down my left eyeball...it fell out when i rolled my eyes. by roman standards of the day, he was a rebel (despite the fact that he was more a jewish fundamentalist) and was crucified for sedition. end of story.

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JESUS CHRIST IS WITH OUT DOUBT A DARK SKIN HEBREW.HE WAS NOT WHITE OR TAN OR ALL COLORS-HE'S BLACK PERIOD!!! WHEN U READ REVELATION 1:14-15. IT TELLS U THAT JESUS HAD HAIR LIKE WOOL-BLACK PEOPLE HAVE "WOOLY" HAIR.IT ALSO SAYS THAT JESUS HAD FEET LIKE "BRASS"-BRASS IS BROWN,THEN IT SAYS AS IF THEY BURNED IN A FURNACE-IF U BURN ANYTHING IN A FURNACE IT WILL COME OUT DARK BLACK!!! BURN WHITE RICE & IT WILL TURN BLACK.IT DOESNT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT JESUS HAVING BLONDE HAIR & BLUE EYES,OR BEING TAN ETC.THE ANICENT HEBREWS AS WELL AS THE ANICENT EGYPTAINS WERE BLACK!!! DOES COLOR MATTER??- YES BECUASE THE TRUTH MATTERS (JOHN 4:24) GOD DESCRIBED HIS SON IN THE BIBLE 4 A REASON,& THAT REASON IS BECAUSE HE WANTED EVERY 1 TO KNOW HOW HIS SON LOOKED. SO STOP LYING AS SOON AS THE TRUTH COMES OUT THAT JESUS IS BLACK-NOW COLOR DOESNT MATTER,HE'S ALL COLORS!! IF COLOR DIDNT MATTER Y DID THE WHITE RACE CHANGE HIS COLOR FROM BLACK 2 WHITE???? SO IT MUST HAVE MATTER 2 WHITE PEOPLE SINCE THEY R THE ONES LYING SAYING JESUS IS WHITE???

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I agree with you taza-war, people need to stop lying to themselves and KNOW the bible because the description is there. People would like to believe that he is all colors and races, but he is not. The truth is that he is black and people do not want to except that. And there are black jews know your history and do your research. People lack knowledge and claim they KNOW the bible but they really only know what their preachers and ministers etc. tell them and parts that the read in the bible. And remember come judgement day you will not be able to blame anyone for your mistakes because it is your responsibility to know what's right and what's wrong. Just think about it Revelations is rarely preached and that's the most important book in the bible!

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In the verses you misquote, John the Revelator tells us His hair was WHITE like wool, not "wooly" like an Afro. And brass, an alloy of zinc and copper, is a bright golden-hued metal -- picture trumpets & trombones & other brass instruments for an idea of its color. It's so far from brown that "brassy" is often used to describe blond hair. Perhaps you are thinking of bronze, a much darker-colored metal alloy.

Here's the whole section for you heathens and/or context-concerned movie buffs (King James Version all the way, baby!):

Revelation 1
12And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the floor and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword; and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
[spelling & punctuation as in original]

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BIGGUSDICKUS-1-NICE TRY. LOOK U WHITE PEOPLE R NOT GETTING OUT OF THIS.ALL U WHITE PEOPLE R FIGHTING LIKE HELL 2 NOT ADMIT THE TRUTH.JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD IS A BLACK HEBREW PERIOD!! 1ST-WHEN THE BIBLE SAYS JESUS HAD "WOOLY" HAIR NOY ONLY IS IT TALKING ABOUT THE COLOR OF HIS HAIR ITS ALSO TALKING ABOUT ITS TEXTURE. DANIEL 7:9 & REVELATION 1:14.

2ND POINT-ALL THROUGH OUT THE BIBLE,THE PEOPLE IN THE BIBLE R SPOKEN OF HAVING "COLOR" NOT BEING WHITE!

ACTS 13:1-ITS TELLS U THE PROPHETS WERE CALLED "NIGER" A LATIN WORD WHICH MEANS-"BLACK"

KING SOLOMON-TELLS U IN THE BIBLE THAT HE WAS "BLACK" SONG OF SOLOMON 1:5-I AM BLACK,BUT COMELY!!!

JESUS CHRIST CAME OUT OF THE FAMILY LINE OF BLACK KING SOLOMON-MATTHEW 1:7-16

NUMBERS 12:1-TELLS U THAT MOSES WIFE WAS A "ETHIOPIAN" MEANING SHE WAS BLACK.

ISAIAH-29:22-TELLS U THAT JACOB'S FACE (MEANING THE HEBREWS) SHALL NOT WAX PALE. WHAT DID INDIANS CALL "WHITE PEOPLE" PALE FACE.U DONT READ ABOUT NO HEBREWS IN THE BIBLE BEING "WHITE" JESUS IS BLACK,THE HEBREWS,THEY WERE BLACK!! & THATS IT U NOT GETTING OUT OF THIS "BIGGUSDICKUS"

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Jesus was white, probably a Gaul, and not even Jewish (which incidentally stole the identity from the true Israelites). Look it up and see when the term Jew is first mentioned in the Bible.

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Why do you assume I am white? Not that it's any of your business, Taz, but I am not -- in fact, I am a member in good standing of the NAACP. Moreover, I have no desire to know what color you may be nor where you attended divinity school. I just want to make sure other visitors don't accept your misapplied snippets of scripture as gospel.

For example, Acts 13:1 absolutely does NOT say the prophets were black! It merely says the prophets and teachers in the early church at Antioch included a man named Simeon who also went by the name Niger. And yes, Niger could have referred to the dude's complexion, but it was more likely just his family name: he was probably related to the Roman emperor Pescennius Niger, who was born in central Italy about that same time. As you point out, Niger means "black" in Latin, the language of Italy and the Romans, but the author of the Acts wrote in Greek -- so his inclusion of a Latin name here would be to let readers know Simeon had Roman connections. On the other hand, if Niger is indeed a reference to Simeon's dark skin, THE BROTHER MUST BE A DIFFERENT COLOR THAN THE PEOPLE AROUND HIM since everybody knows him as the "black" fellow.

(Not that any of this is pertinent to the color of Christ; the events in the Book of Acts take place after the crucifixion, so Simeon the Niger could not possibly have been an ancestor of Jesus anyway.)

In any event, as a native of the Middle East, Jesus was probably similar in coloration to the late Saddam Hussein and other current natives of the region. Who are generally considered to be non-white.

And also non-black. ;)

-- Big Gus

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1ST OFF,1 THING I NOTICE IS U USE THE WORD "PROBABLY" & "COULD" & THE TERM "IT WAS MORE LIKELY".WHAT THAT SHOWS IS U REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT U R TALKING ABOUT-U R JUST GUESSING!!!.U SAID U WANT 2 STOP ME FROM USING "MISAPPLIED SNIPPETS OF SCRIPTURE" & HOW R U DOING THAT? BY TAKING GUESSES LOL!! "HE WAS PROBABLY.."(A GUESS) "IT WAS MORE LIKELY"(A GUESS).LOL! U SAID SIMEON WAS PROBABLY RELATED 2 PESCENNIUS NIGER.(R U KIDDING ME!)SINCE U R HERE 2 STOP ME FROM USING "MISAPPLIED SNIPPETS OF THE BIBLE"-SHOW ME 1 PLACE IN THE BIBLE THAT SAID ANYTHING ABOUT SIMEON BEING RELATED 2 PESCENNIUS NIGER?? WHERE'S THAT AT IN THE BIBLE??? ACTS 13:1-IS TALKING ABOUT THERE COLOR! THEY WERE BLACK MEN PERIOD!!! THATS NOT THEIR "FAMILY" NAME.ALSO SIR IF U GO BACK & READ WHAT I SAID 2 U,I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT SIMEON BEING AN ANCESTOR OF JESUS.I SAID WHEN THE COLOR OF THE HEBREW IS TALKED ABOUT IN THE BIBLE IT ALWAYS REFERS 2 THEM AS BEING BLACK OR DESRIBED AS BLACK.NOT 1 PLACE IN THE BIBLE DO U READ ABOUT ANY "WHITE" HEBREWS! U SAID SIMEON & THE PROPHETS MUST HAVE LOOKED DIFFERENT 4 THE ROMANS 2 CALL THEM "BLACK".YES THEY DID LOOKED DIFFERENT."LATIN" IS A ROMAN TONGUE.(ROMANS R WHITE PEOPLE)SO IT MAKES SENSE THAT WHITE PEOPLE WOULD CALLED THEM "NIGER" OR BLACK. HELLO!!!.THEN U SAID JESUS WAS "PROBABLY" SIMILAR IN COLOR 2 SADDAM HUSSEIN.-(AGAIN A GUESS).THE WAY THE PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE EAST LOOK 2 DAY HAS NO BEARING ON HOW THE PEOPLE LOOKED 2000 YEARS.FOR EXP-AMERICA 2 DAY IS A LAND OF MANY RACES-BUT 100'S OF YEARS AGO THE SO CALLED NORTH AMERICA INDIANS RULED THIS LAND.(AGAIN) THE ANICENT EGYPTAINS HAD DRAWN THEMSELVES AS BEING "BLACK" YET 2 DAY THE LAND OF EGYPT IS RULED BY "ARABS"-POINT IM MAKING IS U CANT SAY OH THESES PEOPLE IN THE LAND NOW MUST HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THERE & MUST HAVE ALWAYS LOOK THIS WAY OR THAT WAY. SO JESUS DID NOT LOOK LIKE THE "CURRENT NATIVES OF THE REGION" HE WAS & IS BLACK! & ALWAYS WILL B BLACK! & THATS IT ON THAT END STORY!!!!!!!

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Yes, friend, I agree. You win and I lose.

Your indisputable firsthand knowledge carries far greater value than my weak fourthhand junk. I apologize for butting into your thread knowing full well I had nothing real to bring to the discussion, only a lame hodgepodge of unverifiable 2,000-yr-old sources, speculative reasoning, and academic rigor. I admit defeat and urge every person reading these words to accept the solipsistic superiority of your tenaciously capitalized gibberish.

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The Acts of the Apostles, Chapter 13
1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.


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biggusdickus-1 (Life of Brian - hilarious), check your private messages for an entry from me.

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I don’t know what color Jesus was. But I do know what ethnic group. Jesus was a Hebrew/Jew/Israeli. I was having this same conversation with someone once and this lady said we don’t know what race Jesus was. I said yes we do he was a Jew. Then she said yeah I know but was he a Black Jew, Mexican Jew, Irish Jew we don't know. It was the funniest and saddest thing I had heard in my life. I didn't watch this movie because of the DVD summary. Its says the film delves into the possibility that the crucifixion was driven by racism on the Romans parts. I find it funny the Passion of the Christ (which I also didn't see) was blasted for blaming the Jews for the death of Christ now this movie (and I could be wrong) seems to blame the Romans.

Well it would seem to me that we all want the answer of who Crucified Jesus. Are you ready, here it is your answer? Get out your notebooks and prepare to take note.

All you have to do to know who crucified Jesus is......... Look in the mirror. That’s right our sins crucified not a race not a people not a money hungry betraying disciple but me, you everyone we each nailed the nail we each are responsible and the only way to make up the only way to fix it is not arguing his color, race it's not making a movie or calling people idiots for their beliefs it is simply this. You can fix it you can make his sacrifice worth it all you do is Repent and be Baptized in the Name of Jesus for the remissions of your sins. It makes him smile and to him it makes the pain worth he suffered worth every slash of the whip every hammer pound into the nail in his hand or wrist (it doesn't matter). He loves us all.

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you make absolutely no sense in your rambling, incoherent, all caps, hard to read, so-called argument. Perhaps it would be easier for you to understand if your sparring opponent had not used the qualifying phrases "probably", "could", and "more than likely" to show that he was entering educated conjecture, and had merely put his opinions forth in the same "this is the facts jack" condescending way that you have. Color, sex, and nationality has no interest to me in this conversation, only that you are arrogantly absolutist and foolishly inept at debate. You have "more than likely" turned off more people to your argument than you have converted, and "probably" the only ones who would ally themselves with you are those as determined as you to accept your premise in the first place.

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Just FYI: If you actually READ Song of Solomon, you will see that it is a dialogue (complete with chorus) between the author and his lady love. It is the LADY who says "I am black, but comely." Not King Solomon. And why would she even mention her skin color unless it was different from that of many people around her?

Jesus is my Lord and Savior, whatever color he was in his earthly flesh (after all, "human" is not his true form!). I assume he looked like a Jew, since his mother was Jewish. Whatever his color, the Bible says nothing about any skin-color issues being involved in the rejection of his message or in the decision to crucify him.

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Just FYI: If you actually READ Song of Solomon, you will see that it is a dialogue (complete with chorus) between the author and his lady love. It is the LADY who says "I am black, but comely." Not King Solomon. And why would she even mention her skin color unless it was different from that of many people around her?

Jesus is my Lord and Savior, whatever color he was in his earthly flesh (after all, "human" is not his true form!). I assume he looked like a Jew, since his mother was Jewish. Whatever his color, the Bible says nothing about any skin-color issues being involved in the rejection of his message or in the decision to crucify him.

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Just FYI: If you actually READ Song of Solomon, you will see that it is a dialogue (complete with chorus) between the author and his lady love. It is the LADY who says "I am black, but comely." Not King Solomon. And why would she even mention her skin color unless it was different from that of many people around her?

Jesus is my Lord and Savior, whatever color he was in his earthly flesh (after all, "human" is not his true form!). I assume he looked like a Jew, since his mother was Jewish. Whatever his color, the Bible says nothing about any skin-color issues being involved in the rejection of his message or in the decision to crucify him.

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JANERAMI-WHAT U SAID IS WRONG! READ SONG OF SOLOMON 1:1-IT SAYS CLEARLY THE SONG OF SONGS WHICH IS SOLOMON'S. NOT THE SONG OF SONGS WHICH IS A WOMAN. THAT SOLOMON SAYING HE'S BLACK! NOT A WOMAN.

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Jesus was not black i was born and raised in israel till i was about 15 and everyone in my family is dark skin and have very curly hair (almost like wool)except me i'm bald don't argue with me your wrong i'm right and quit typing in all caps it's freakin annoying

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I'm a Black man and I believe strongly in what my brother in Christ had to say. All racises were made in his image. The day will come and is already here, when the children of christ will be raised up to the heavens. On this day, nothing will matter but (GOD), who is Jesus. So stop all of your bickering, and get right with Jesus. For the Bread of life is soon to return.

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My Jesus is a redheaded, NASCAR fan with two warrants for His arrest in Georgia.

"What did one snowman say to the other snowman?"

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Sounds like Satan! lol

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since jesus is a fictional character whats the difference , what his nationality is,or color.plus you either believe or dont.

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People crack me up! I think it's a stupid argument because if you classify yourself as a christian and you're arguing about the race of Jesus, obviously you missed the entire point.

I'm not a christian but i'm compelled to believe that if Jesus did exsist, and the history is accurate, the chances are, Jesus would be of middle-eastern descent. I know some people get offended by this, but quite simply, it's the most logical answer. If the story of Jesus took place in Japan, it would be a little weird to say that Jesus was Mongolian. Of course there is a chance that he could have been black, but it's very unlikely.



"Jesus loves me, he loves me a bunch, that's why he always puts skippy in my lunch"

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It's pointless arguing over what the color of his earthly body, what matters is that we follow his message.

Formerly rose-lisa

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I agree that it is entirely pointless arguing over the colour of his skin but you are missing the point.
The point is that we do not waste our time on this planet bickering and separating our differences and aligning ourselves with one side or another, sides that were/are formed by RELIGION, peoples that are split by RELIGION, Ruined by RELIGION and involved in petty -yet very deadly- squabbles and intractable stand offs and continuous wars.
No one RELIGION is correct over another. If that is so then that means we are condemned to this tit for tat separation and war situation.
Wake up and stop it all.

(...forgive me for a bit of wishful thinking, I know it falls on deaf ears anyway...)

GeaF

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