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Episode 1 – Cretaceous Cretinism


Just watched the opening episode, and while the CGI wildlife was a wonder to behold, the plot and science are almost laughably riddled with dumb holes. For instance, why does a guy with a time machine keep urgently repeating, "There's very little time left!"? Why even risk being annihilated in the Chicxulub meteorite impact, when he could have estimated the juvenile T. Rex's age and nipped back when they were still in their eggs? And if we're really supposed to trust his good intention to travel "through time to pluck species from extinction and establish them in the ultimate wildlife sanctuary," then just how many individual specimens constitute a viably diverse gene pool?

I'll don't mind being asked to suspend disbelief, but such logical howlers do spoil the spectacle for me. But no doubt I'll watch 'em all anyway, for the imaginative recreation of some of our planet's exotic extinct fauna.

dalinian

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Aye, it was an alright show just a little silly with it's plot like you said. I did question why he just couldn't go further back in time. CGI was again Okay, but Jurrasic Park (which was on before hand) had much better SFX Dino's and that film is thirteen years old. The other thing that kinda bothered me is that Marvin did a very very similar show for the beeb called chasing dinosaurs or something similar a few years ago. I get the feeling that this series is supposed to warm us up for ITV's supposed Doctor who killer "Primeval" later this year. It pretty much has the same plot. Traveling thru time to collect different species of animal. Will be interesting to see how hat work out.

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Utter crap......let them know what you think......vote here at IMDB......I gave it a 1

ClarkF1

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it looked great on the advert but it was a load of *beep* crap!!!!

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I agree with everything you said, I watched it and I may watch the rest of it but it will only be for the CGI. As you said the science and the plot were absolutely awful.

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I cant stand that nigel marvin. He did chased by dinosaurs and also a water dino one as well. There were so many mistakes in it and the geordie boy really got on my t1ts as well.

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It's ok, but I also thought "why can't he just travel a couple years back" as well, but hey I guess the suspence got to him(They should've also gotten a female triceratops)

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See now i was told that there was jaw-dropping CGI and wonderful effects...have i missed that? the effects arent great at all! the dinosaurs dont seem to be in their envirnment or interacting with it...reminds me of garfield (the first movie)

oh well...

i hope it gets better, i wanna show this to my class for our dinosaur topic!!



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Having seen it last saturday, I can honestly say I didnt like it very much. I thought the sizes of some of the dinosaurs were not very consistent and would change ever so often to suit the enviornment and the main presenter and at least 2 of the main assistants back at the present day are so irritating that I am going to approach the program with caution from now on.

And I cant understand why they would start with the series with the most popular dinosaur to capture. They should have saved the T-Rex for later on at least and to also have it around the time of the 'Big Bang' is baffling because that would definitly seem like an end of series episode.

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Yeah O'd agree with that..the want for suspension of disbelief soared there..tbh though that's a factor with most time travel stories shown I find..where time is used as a factor for tension..it's pointless..

But then I really wouldn't rate much that's shown on ITV anyway..

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I not wrong there!

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I thought it was better than any reality crap they would have on like Star in their eyes.

But still, it was cheap and tacky, but i will still be watching now Dr who isn't on.

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Its a pretty decent program (although it can be slow at times), but I must admit some of the technical aspects do leave a lot to be desired :

They assume that the vegetation that we have now would be suitable. It also seems they wont have enough for all the animals (from the ground views that we've had).

The pens are made out of wood - and don't look terribly strong either. After all, if a T-Rex can cause havoc with metallic cages, what would 2 T-Rex's do with wooden pens ? Perhaps in the last episode, everyone & everything gets eaten :) Nigel doesn't have any weapons, which is a bit stupid...

Who owns the park, and where does the money come from - there are no visitors... Perhaps its InGen ?

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I see negative reviews... but you must remember that when Impossible Pictures (yes, that's the company's name) made Walking with Dinosaurs, they were part of BBC. Now, they are an independent company and may be unable to use as big a budget.

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Now, they are an independent company and may be unable to use as big a budget.


If they can't do the job properly, they shouldn't try doing it at all....

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Personally, I thought the CGI was laughable, looking as if it had a budget of around £2.50. The whole programme was nothing more than a cheap, and extremely bad, rip-off of the infinitly superior "Walking with Dinosaurs", produced several years ago by the BBC, with a bit of Jurassic Park thrown in, in a vague attempt to make it more entertaining.

Nigel Marven, along with most of the rest of the cast, is completely unconvincing as he "travels back in time", to gather his specimens.

ITV cannot, and never will be able to, compete with the BBC when it comes to Natural History programming, which has proven itself time and again, to be the best in the world. Anyone who has had the pleasure of seeing "Deep Blue", or "Planet Earth" in high definition, will never want to bother anything ITV can offer.

As for Nigel Marven, he can travel back in time, and bloody well stay there for all I care! He has all the charisma of a stick insect, and doesn't appear interested in the subject matter, in this, or any other programme I have seen him in. How on earth ITV managed to persuade an actor of David Jason's calibre to narrate this crap is frankly miraculous. A few weeks ago I was discussing Mr Jason's career with some friends, and I couldn't remember ever seeing a programme with him featured in, which I didn't enjoy. Now I can safely say he has at least one major turkey under his belt.

It looked so promising from the trailers.. I don't think I can remember a programme looking so interesting, and turning out to be such a steaming pile of Tyrannosaurus dung! Somehow, I predict that there is "very little time left" for another series of this rubbish, and to be honest, will be amazed if it doesn't get shoved off to a graveyard slot, where it belongs.

I tried watching the second episode, but after about 20 minutes I had lost the will to live, and was pretty much ready to gnaw off my own legs in an effort to stay conscious. It's scored a well deserved "1" from me, and I won't be tuning in for next weeks "exciting installment"!

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I think the CGI is mostly pretty good - the main time it isn't is when its viewed from a distance, and then it loses all focus.

ITV are having trouble with money (losing quite a bit of adverts), and whilst its certainly good to see something like this, it would also be good if they started sci-fi programs as well.

I think Nigel is pretty good - and do feel that he's interested in the subect. Dont forget this isn't an action film - and you do have to be pretty interested in dinosaurs to get anything from it.

I do feel that David Jason's narration is irritating, especially when sentances are repeated after an ad. break.

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ITV do certainly seem to have chucked in the proverbial towel, especially when it comes to Saturday night viewing. Doctor Who seems to have had quite a hand in this, especially the first season, when all ITV could offer was "Celebrity Wrestling", which couldn't even make it to the end of it's run, and ended up being shoved to a late night spot. They really need to take a long hard look at their programming, and I couldn't agree more that some decent Sci-Fi would be nice. At least we have the BBC's "Torchwood" to look forward to...

I am, and always have been extremely interested in dinosaurs, paleontology, and general pre-history, but I just find this programme tedious, largely due to Nigel Marven. I've never been a particularly big fan of his presenting style; nothing personal against him, I daresay he is very knowledgeable on wildlife in general, it's just one of those things I guess... It doesn't help his cause that the BBC have had David Attenborough for 30 years or so, who is just about the most intelligent, articulate, and knowledgeable presenter ever to have graced our screens. I had the pleasure of meeting him a few years ago, and he was an astoundingly nice guy, the very personification of charm, and with an incredible amount of humility. A lot of TV celebs could take a leaf from his book...

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I was just wondering, whilst watching the first couple of episodes, if the guys who built the safari park had seen Jurassic Park. Because if electrified steel and concrete fences can't hold the dinosaurs in, what good's a wooden, picket fence going to do!?

And Nigel Marvin just can not act (and that's what this is: an acting job, none of this Attenborough bullsh!t), in fact none of the people who appear on this show can act! The only exception is David Jason, and it feels like he's only phoned in his performance (which is still better than any amount of gurning Marvin attempts).

Yes, the CGI dinosaurs are pretty good, it's just the humans in it (and the awful, awful directing) that bring it down into the depths of the sewers...

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I think most of the acting is fine - its just some of the dialog thats stilted.

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This isn't like Land of the Lost, which screamed of cheese, but this series is up there. I thought the series is alright, if you watch it for the dinosaurs only.

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The CGI isn't as good as I first expected, but ITV don't have the budget to create realistic graphics like Jurassic Park did. I can't wait to see the sabre-tooth cats on episode 4.

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Another thing I realised was in Ep. 2 the narrator comments "This is Nigels chance to save the wooly rhino from extinction" yet Nigel only brings one back and later we learn it's been put into its own enclosoure with no other rhinos to mate with meaning that when it eventually dies they'll be extinct again. Also Nigel says that mammoths CAN'T survive on pine needles yet in Walking with Beasts the narrator says that mammoths can sustain themselves on CAN survive on pine needles when there's no grass to be had. Can anyone report back to explain this?

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Dont remember a woolly rhino being saved - unless your talking about a mammoth.

In which case, either, they forgot that at least two are needed, or perhaps they are hoping that elephants and mammoths will be able to breed (to get a woolly elephant).

Last weeks episode was a bit different, in that one of his helpers was actually attacked - now all we need is someone to be eaten...

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so glad to see like minded individuals!

everyone i had tried to speak to about this piece of crap was either 'ahh it's alright' or 'nope, haven't seen it'.

a number of things annoy me about this program, as well as the many already listed here.



1) - David Jason's commentary. i am a firm believer in that the narrator should KNOW what he is talking about, to add a level of credibility. if something is narrated b David Attenborough, i am open to it, for example, as I know he knows his subject inside and out.
I once saw a program about Wolves narrated by the guy from 'At the Kumars'.. what does he know about wolves, exactly? and what does Delboy know about Dinos? little, i bet.


2) - Plot Holes everywhere. some examples:
- 'there is a lot of carbon monoxide around here, but we'll be ok as we've got gas masks'
[2 minutes later] *beep beep beep* 'carbon monoxide! get to higher ground!'
why not just put your masks on?

- in the first episode - Nigel Marvin encounters 3 t-rexs. 'no sudden movements' he says (cut to advert break) , as soon as the program comes back he shouts 'run!' then legs it.. what the hell? what happened to no sudden movements?

- 'T-Rex has an amazing sense of smell thats how she's managed to track this dead carcass along this river'
so she has an amazing sense of smell but she cant smell you 10 feet below her?

- 'wow getting hit by that triceritops is like getting hit by a train'
then you'd be dead.

- 'that triceritops beak is so powerful, it could snap through branches as thick as my arm'
so could it bite through the wooden enclosure fence then? coz that isn't much wider than your arm, nigel


3) - there is a lot of moments when they make reference to the camera being a real object. it'll get knocked over by a running dinosaur etc, or he'll comment how the lens has been cracked or whatever. but there is many times, during the chase sequences when the animals will run past a stationary camera on the ground, or step on one or whatever. are we to believe these cameras are disposable in nature and just happen to be in the ground?
i wouldn't make an issue of it if they didn't constantly remind us that these cameras are real.

4) - the terrible acting back in modern day.
Bob is atrocious. 'i'm gonna try and incubate these eggs, there is nothing i don't know about incubating eggs.' (later) why aye, i've managed to save these babies, of course, it's before the 9 o'clock watershed and there is kids watching, so there weren't ever going to die, were they? but they bonded to me, thinking i'm their mum'
hang on bob, i thought you said you knew everything there was to know about hand rearing eggs? so how comes you didn't take precautions to ensure they didn't bond to you?
because i know in modern day zoo's they do that. like they use glove puppets of birds to ensure they don't become too attached to humans, so why didn't you think of that?

5) - we find out very little about dinosaurs.
what have we learnt from this program? that ornithamimus are a bit like ostriches and that sabertooth cats are a bit like lions.

6) - the horrible use of time travel.
we are constantly reminded 'there isn't much time! quickly! get to the van / jeep whatever', but they have a time machine. why go to the last day of the dinosaurs reign? just go back further? i'm sure t-rex's were around for many millions of years, why even go to the last week of their reign?

7) - illogical reasoning
this wolly rhino has died out because it's habitat is disappearing. it's habitat is obviously snowy plains.
i'm going to save the species from extinction by taking ONE back to a hot grassy park.
huh?

8) - bad CGI / effects.
the close ups of the dinosaurs look like glove puppets. the wide shots look like a 5 year old computer game.




for me, the only thing that could save the series would be if all of the animals run-amuck on the last episode.



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1) - David Jason's commentary. i am a firm believer in that the narrator should KNOW what he is talking about, to add a level of credibility. if something is narrated b David Attenborough, i am open to it, for example, as I know he knows his subject inside and out.
I once saw a program about Wolves narrated by the guy from 'At the Kumars'.. what does he know about wolves, exactly? and what does Delboy know about Dinos? little, i bet.
Aren't Jason's lines written for him? If so, how much or little he knows is irrelevant.

- in the first episode - Nigel Marvin encounters 3 t-rexs. 'no sudden movements' he says (cut to advert break) , as soon as the program comes back he shouts 'run!' then legs it.. what the hell? what happened to no sudden movements?
Maybe he realized that the creatures would smell him, and he'd be able to reach the nearby trees if he was fast enough.

- 'T-Rex has an amazing sense of smell thats how she's managed to track this dead carcass along this river'
so she has an amazing sense of smell but she cant smell you 10 feet below her?
Surely the smell of a huge rotting carcass would be enough to hide Nigel's smell?

- 'wow getting hit by that triceritops is like getting hit by a train'
then you'd be dead.
Who says it hit him head-on? It looked more like it brushed past him, knocking him down.

- 'that triceritops beak is so powerful, it could snap through branches as thick as my arm'
so could it bite through the wooden enclosure fence then? coz that isn't much wider than your arm, nigel
It has no reason to bite the wooden fence, there are no edible leaves on it.

4) - the terrible acting back in modern day.
Bob is atrocious. 'i'm gonna try and incubate these eggs, there is nothing i don't know about incubating eggs.' (later) why aye, i've managed to save these babies, of course, it's before the 9 o'clock watershed and there is kids watching, so there weren't ever going to die, were they? but they bonded to me, thinking i'm their mum'
hang on bob, i thought you said you knew everything there was to know about hand rearing eggs? so how comes you didn't take precautions to ensure they didn't bond to you?
because i know in modern day zoo's they do that. like they use glove puppets of birds to ensure they don't become too attached to humans, so why didn't you think of that?
While I don't think the acting is bad, I do think it's wrong for this series- they made a mistake in hiring professional actors and not have amateurs playing themselves, like Nigel. Nigel acts completely real, natural and exactly like when he's dealing with real animals, whereas Bob and the others come across like they're from a movie. That's their problem- they're acting.

5) - we find out very little about dinosaurs.
what have we learnt from this program? that ornithamimus are a bit like ostriches and that sabertooth cats are a bit like lions.
I've only seen one episode so far, and we learn more than that. Ornithomimus can run at 65 kilometers per hour and travel in groups. When feeding, the group makes sure there's a sentry looking out for predators. This sentry will sound a warning call when spotting a threat. Ornithomimus have ridges in their beaks, like ducks and geese have, which they use to crush their food.

I got that from just the first episode, and if I understand the nature of the show correctly we'll see more of the captured Ornithomimus in subsequent episodes.

6) - the horrible use of time travel.
we are constantly reminded 'there isn't much time! quickly! get to the van / jeep whatever', but they have a time machine. why go to the last day of the dinosaurs reign? just go back further? i'm sure t-rex's were around for many millions of years, why even go to the last week of their reign?
Since we know nothing about the workings of the time portal technology (which is good- elaborate explanations would turn this from a nature program into geeky sci-fi), this could be anyone's guess. Maybe it's not that specific?

7) - illogical reasoning
this wolly rhino has died out because it's habitat is disappearing. it's habitat is obviously snowy plains.
i'm going to save the species from extinction by taking ONE back to a hot grassy park.
huh?
The Ice Ages also had summers, you know.

8) - bad CGI / effects.
the close ups of the dinosaurs look like glove puppets. the wide shots look like a 5 year old computer game.
I don't think it's that bad, but it's definitely not on the level of Walking With Dinosaurs. The creatures look less detailed and don't move as fluently.


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SPOILERS AHEAD

The most flawed episode was the last when Nigel searches for a giant croc.

1. Nigel sees a dinosaur stampede. Instead of doing the sensible thing and running for cover, he runs straight into the middle of it and worries about the jeeps paintwork. Bit out of character if you ask me. He does the same thing when he sees as big fight. He says "this is terrifying" but goes in even closer.

2. He flies a plain over the sea to spot a croc. He then sees one swim up a creek. He then paddles up the creek in a small boat made of rubber. He should have followed the river by plane and landed when he found the lake.

3. The crew meet up with him at the lake. But they leave the jeep unsupervised
on the beach. A predator could attack it (which is exactly what happened).

4. Why didn't they put the meat in tightly locked containers to stop it from being stolen.

5. When tempting the Deinosuchus out of the water Nigel goes right up to the drop. He should have stayed in the shallows to get a headstart.

6. Why didn't they put feathers on the Troodon if they endorse the theory of dinosaurs with feathers.

I thought the giant croc SFX were awesome as opposed to the atrocious looking sabre-tooths

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Aren't Jason's lines written for him? If so, how much or little he knows is irrelevant.


I was talking more about credibility than knowledge. if a well respected naturalist tells me something about animals, I believe it. if Granville from Open All Hours tells me, my reaction isn't so immediately positive.

I'm reminded of Brass Eye's pranks (getting famous faces to read out utter-nonsense in the hope of positive publicity). where as if you gave Attingborough something completely ridiculous about animals, he'd see through it immediately, if you did the same to David Jason, are you so sure that he would?

'oh yes mr Jason, now read out the part about T-rex's being made completely out of a kind of wax.'

if what he knows is irrelevant, why use him at all? just for the 'famous voice' potential crowd puller?

I don't think his voice over was that great, added nothing to the program, and his lines sounded stilted and like they were trying too hard to be dramatic.

Maybe he realized that the creatures would smell him, and he'd be able to reach the nearby trees if he was fast enough.


It amazed me how one fallen tree could stop three T-rexs. maybe just try, going around it?

Surely the smell of a huge rotting carcass would be enough to hide Nigel's smell?


if it's sense of smell is as amazing as we are lead to believe, surely it could still smell him, even with the presense of an overpowering odor quite some distance away in a fast flowing river.

Who says it hit him head-on? It looked more like it brushed past him, knocking him down


in which case, how can he tell it was like a train? if it only brushed past him? also, how many people survive getting 'brushed past' by a train?

It has no reason to bite the wooden fence, there are no edible leaves on it


my point was it could have easily chosen to escape from its feeble pen, if it so wished.

The Ice Ages also had summers, you know.


lol, brilliant. and I suppose wooly rhino's could also reproduce a-sexually? no? then how is taking one back to prehistoric park going to save the species?

I don't think it's that bad, but it's definitely not on the level of Walking With Dinosaurs. The creatures look less detailed and don't move as fluently.


while some of the dinosaurs looked nice, the sabertooths looked atrocious. but yes, walking with was much better.






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I completely and utterly agree with 'foreverfaded'.. Although I do hope they come back with a second series. The whole theme park idea I feel is a good one, even if it isn't exactly original. ITV have obviously got good intentions with the production of this series, but that does not disguise the fact that it looks like the pathetic CGI was created by first-year tertiary students. The same goes for the knowledge of each species.. The information appears to have been sourced from a simplified textbook for paleontology 101. The info given on each species generally consists of a couple of scientific facts, and the rest of it is guessed as they are similar to a certain modern-day species. Fair enough, these creatures have all been extinct for many years, and a certain amount of guesswork is involved, but the creatures all behave differently to their present-day counterparts. It seems to me that the director has told the animators what animals he wants, and then they in turn have taken a fair amount of artistic license, often resulting in many of the animals displaying human characteristics.
On the otherhand, I like how the program mostly focuses on lesser known species. This said, perhaps they have chosen these particular species because they know that its harder for an idea to be challenged, if its on a species that few have heard of. And as for the (over)acting, i find it incredible that these actors have been allowed into an audition! And I couldn't get over the 30-second long action scene of Nigel's in the bug episode, slow-motion and everything, as well as dramatic music - absolutely pathetic.
The kids at the youth group I work with understand that its aimed at their age-group, but they still question the show's ability to convey the information. And they all have a problem with those stupid, flimsy wooden fences..
However, the basic idea that the show is based on is a bit different, and does offer a bit of a spin on your average documentary. I do hope they come back with a better quality second season, with some more money spent on CGI and research, and maybe a change of the park keeper and vet actors..

Perhaps Bob could be eaten by an angry Martha the T-Rex in an attempt to vent her rage..

P.S. 'Dutch90'? Nigel said that when he got bowled over by the triceratops that it was like getting hit by a train... How many people are hit by trains each year and are able to get up 2 seconds later, without a single bruise?... I'll leave that to you.

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You know, I've heard lots of people say "I feel like I just got hit by a Mack truck!" and not once have I asked them how they survived, nor have I felt the need to calculate the force of being hit by a Mack truck so that I can nit-pick them about it.

The whole so why not just use the time portal to go back two days earlier? thing is a bit of something they should've come up with an explanation for, but is it that hard to fan wank one? How about: time travel is imprecise, so you can't be sure that you'll go to exactly any date. You can go back to 'when there were saber-toothed cats,' but not 'two days earlier than when the cub died.' This also explains why nobody is using the time portal to save the Kennedys, kill Hitler, or prevent 9/11. Since you can't be sure of landing within a few hundred years (thousand?) you can't do history.

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