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ZETIGEIST - And pearl harbor was deliberately attacked by FDR


Stupid, stupid conspiracy freaks. They believe this nonsense:

- President Roosevelt deliberately allowed the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor
- President Kennedy was killed by several men, not one (false: "60 Minutes" computer simulations show it was just ONE man)
- The moon landing was staged in a hollywood studio

And they believe this nonsense about the World Trade Center being deliberately destroyed by either Bush or Clinton (or whatever nonsense they believe). Bullpucky.

Superstitious
nonsense.
Gullible.
Foolish.

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How about instead of just calling others views nonsense and foolish, why not explain exactly how it is nonsense, with facts.

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The facts are obvious:

- The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. Surprise.
- NASA really did launch a rocket to the moon.
- The terrorists flew two HUGE planes filled with thousands of gallons of fuel into two skyscrapers. The skyscrapers got hot, bucked, and fell. (As did WTC7, from the huge weight of a collapsed skyscraper being dumped onto it.)

Only a nutcase would try to deny these facts.
- Not a governmnt conspiracy. - Not a hollywood stage.
And certainly not hundreds of demolitionists loading the building with TNT.

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1. Nothing fell onto WTC 7.
2. Skyscrapers don't melt from fires.
3. Skyscrapers don't fall down in pancake fashion at free-fall speed from fires.

As for the Moon landing, i believe that really happened. It has nothing to do with Zeitgeist.

The Japanese did attack Pearl Harbour after being provoked by the Americans who wanted the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbour in order to get into the War. FDR ignored warnings and has direct links to the people who wanted a war.

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Yeah, those nice Japanese military guys would never hurt a flea, so it must have been that mean FDR. Whose state department sent a "war warning" to Pearl Harbor's commanders because they wanted them to be totally surprised. And he must have ordered the commanders to go to sleep and be totally unready for the attack because he wanted to go to war with Japan with half the Pacific fleet at the bottom of the harbor.

The "FDR knew" and "FDR provoked those nice, peaceful Japanese military guys" theories make no sense.

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If you watch the video nothing touched WTC7 it just fell straight down by itself. WTC 1 AND 2 fell straight down and didn't damage anything near by it. WTC7 collasped on it own nothing came near it.

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http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/statement.htm

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Hitler also supported gun-control and was an atheist, does that make all atheists and anti-gunners into Nazis? No.

If people with tin-foil hats support a theory about 9/11 and the wars of the 20th century then does that make those theories less valid? No.

No in the same way Christians who murder abortion doctors don't make the whole anti-abortion movement into a justification for murder.

You're the one with faulty logic here. Don't be a hypocrite.

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im an atheist and id love to own a shotgun,unfortunately automatics are illegal here in canada but id like to go shoot targets to let some aggressions out because i know this world is full of retards.

christians suck...well...most do anyway,telling everyone else what they believe is wrong.

life is too short to worry about this so called god,if he didnt want people to get involved in the world he shouldnt have created as they claim he did.so im going to h3ll for having premarital sex?he can go f(_)ck himself,im going to h3ll for swearing?f(_)ck him.

did christians really kill abortion doctors?

How do you make five lbs. of fat look good?Put a nipple on it.

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electrictroy or electrictroll, i think the second may suit you better

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"Go back to bed America, your gvernment is in control again.
You are free to do as we tell you".

bill hicks
revelations

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Well the first one yes. The next two no. The last one probably, except not directly by Bush or Clinton.

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Kid,
Question everything your father told you, and question everything you learned in the past ten years.

Don't allow yourself to believe all the *beep* in the world. It's not superstitious its not nonsense its not gullible or foolish, its reality.

As for the moon part, I believe it actually happened.

Laugh and the world laughs with you, weep and you weep alone.

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You are *beep* So the only thing to back up your argument is by calling other people gullible?

You must be *beep* stupid to think Kennedy wasn't killed for political reasons after the *beep* he said about the CIA.

Dumb *beep*

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Wow, electrictroy, how's your flat Earth today?

And "60 Minutes" disproved that JFK's assassination was perpetrated by more than one shooter? Really? What network is that show on? Who owns the network? Start asking questions instead of happily trotting to your slaughter. DO THE RESEARCH YOURSELF, rather than being lazy and foolishly accepting whatever the corrupted media tells you.

Did you actually study the JFK assassination (for instance, the infamous "Zapruder Film")? 9/11 (BLDG. 7, for example)? Has it, by any remote chance, occurred to you to use your own brain to think these things through instead of leaving all that bothersome thinking to other parties? See, I don't just mindlessly go along with any one source. I study *many* sources, including actual documents, video footage, and reliable witnesses. Plus, just undertanding basic human greed and capacity for extreme evil goes a long way.

As for the moon landing, well, all I do know for sure is that I wasn't there on the moon, so I admit that I can't say for certain. But see, that's the same for all of these events. That is, if you weren't behind the scenes, how can you know for CERTAIN what the reality is? Anyway, real or not, our lives really aren't dependent upon the moon landing. On the other hand, if there *were* criminal elements within the U.S. govt. involved in some way with 9/11, then we are in serious trouble. Wouldn't you say?

Here's a little list for YOU (and anyone else who cares to check this stuff out):

You can check all of these guys out on Google Video (until they shut them down, like they did with the "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" -- though, it may be temporarily back up...until shut down again). Maybe you'll learn something.

1. Jordan Maxwell ("Matrix of Power" and pretty much any of his lectures)
2. Alex Jones ("Terrorstorm" and many others from Jones)
3. Aaron Russo ("Mad as Hell", "Freedom to Fascism", and his very enlightening, sobering interview w/Alex Jones regarding the microchipping of the citizens and the frightening conversations Russo has with one of his Rockefeller friends before 9/11, "The Architecture of the Prison Planet")

By the way, lumping several conspiracy theories together as you did is typical of those who want to detract from the actual validity of other events. Either you're another govt. shill working for Cointel (counter intelligence, for those unaware), or you really are as gullible as you seem (age, at least mentally, about 11 or 12?).

Or, forget it, just sleeeeeeep... Fox News and those putting up cameras and microphones (and soon, injected microchips, which has already begun) have your back. Nothing to see here (ignore the men with the lube and pants around their ankles).

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And again, electrictroy, the best that you can do is call people "freaks" or other names rather than citing some of your own evidence. That's all any of you swimming in ignorance can ever do. Just because you don't like a truth doesn't make it any less of a truth. Besides your rudeness, you come off very childish, grossly immature, and, frankly, ignorant as hell. You clearly have no idea what a fool you're making of yourself. In a way, I feel sorry for you, however, as you've no clue how badly things actually are (and continue to become). The govt. has already been exposed for how many of their lies so far? And you STILL go along with their official stories? WOW, is all I can say.

I shouldn't waste my time with people like yourself -- as no matter what evidence is presented, it makes no difference, you being so badly brainwashed -- but sometimes I think that there might be a grain of hope remaining. Though, I fear that that's a theory which can too easily be disproved.

Again, present some evidence of your own. For instance, what exactly brought down BLDG. 7 of the WTC if no plane struck it, and no fire in history has brought down a steel-structure bldg.? It *does* appear as though it was brought down by a contolled demolition. But you obviously have it all figured out, right? Whatever the case, if nothing else, check out the Aaron Russo interview w/Alex Jones, "Architecture of the Prison Planet". That's a pretty good start, I think.

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Wait a second... Are you the same Troy, electrictroy, who was calling in to the Alex Jones radio show making a fool of himself, getting OWNED each and every time for a while? Just curious, as it seems like a screwy coincidence, the two of you with the same type of muddy minds. Unless, of course, you are a fan of Troy's and based your ID on that great American idiot.

Anyone who doesn't know about it (I'm not saying electrictroy and call-in Troy are the same), for some very entertaining radio you should go to Google Video or Youtube (same thing, basically, but start with Google Video) and type in "Alex Jones Troy", and listen to the various "The Caller Disagrees, Troy" calls to Jones. Listen to that Troy (again, related to the one here or not) stutter and generally come off like the biggest jackass in recent radio history.

You can hear how utterly braindead people like this are. Either that or they really are working within the govt. as character assassins. And they *are* around the Internet trying to discredit Alex Jones, Jordan Maxwell, and anyone else daring to question the govt.'s B.S., believe it, folks.

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its absolutely retarded to discount an explanation just because it carries the stigma of being a "conspiracy theory." however, im not fully convinced of conspiracy theories, because most of them cant be disproven. for example, if i post Popular Mechanics' debunking of the science behind the 9/11 conspiracy theory, you will simply retort that PM is owned by some spectral corporate entity which is controlled behind the scenes by some evil invisible hand.

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Intelligent post, SHaGGGZ. I'd like to suggest it doesn't even have to go as far as the big shadowy hand, which is the point that those who decry things as enormous, far-sweeping "conspiracy theory" seem to miss. There doesn't have to be some hidden puppet-master pulling all the strings.

It seems to me we're all (generalising) so polarised these days, and think about what we each believe to be the outcome before we present the truth. Our opinions have become the determiner of our reasoning. If the person who wrote the Popular Mechanics article had already determined in his own mind that the WTC collapsed through a specific pattern of mechanical events, because that's what he personally preferred to believe, then the article he would write would reflect that. Doesn't mean he was deliberately lying or misrepresenting facts, just that he would inherently reason and present the details that way. We all know this. But then it's seized on by people who are predisposed to believing that outcome or "explanation", and held aloft as "proof" and as supposedly "debunking" anyone who sees things otherwise. There is a whole slew of supposedly "scientific" explanations for how and why the towers collapsed that all inherently contradict each other, and yet they as a body are held up as justification for why there couldn't have been a "conspiracy" involved in the attacks. It's not truth, it's not proof, it's not really anything but validation that someone else thinks the same way.

It seems the situation of opinion determining reasoning is particularly dire in the US, where debate only has to focus on whether someone votes Democrat or Republican for a large majority of the audience to decide on that basis alone whether that person could have valid opinions or not or any topic. The US has lost its way so badly. And sadly, my own country -- Australia -- is following rapidly down the same path.

I wonder what it will take for this situation to recover ? I can't conceive it, frankly.


Oh, and I personally believe that FDR was at least complicit in Pearl Harbour by advance knowledge of the attack. I'm sure it was rationalised as being ultimately for the good of the US, because FDR firmly believed (from what I've read, including his own speeches and documents) that the US needed (for its own benefit, not from some altruistic motive) to be involved in the war. And he was right, beyond question -- it was a painful birth, no doubt, but it put the US at the centre of world politics and made the country strong and rich beyond even FDR's expectations.

As for 9/11 ... I can conceive that parts of the US Administration knew it was coming, and did not prevent it, on much the same grounds as FDR and Pearl Harbour. They thought that the outcome would outweigh the pain, and most especially since the outcome was all in their favour and none of the pain was theirs -- just look at how many people associated with Bush and his administration, both within the government and dancing around its edges, have profited from the events of 9/11, most of them to a simply staggering degree. Larry Silverstein, who signed a lease on the site only three months before the attack, made just short of a staggering 4 billion dollars in profit out of the controversial insurance policy he took out on the thing. He even went to court and tried to argue that, because the tower complex as a whole was hit twice by two separate planes, he should be getting double the insurance payout. Now, does that make him guilty of conspiracy ? No. But he certainly benefitted from the event. And a four billion dollar windfall will easily sooth a troubled conscience. "Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs", and all that.

In fact, the only people who didn't benefit as a whole from the event were the poor people who were either killed outright or are in the more general populace and have gone into such a state of shock that they'll comply with almost anything in the name of "freedom". Including measures and incursions on their own lives that would have been completely unthinkable prior to that day. But for the people with their hands on the buttons, or those who are friends of theirs, the whole event has been a bonanza -- both in immediate profit and commercial opportunities, and in advancing what was always their stated public agenda. It's just gotta make you wonder.


You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.


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agreed. a handful of gluttonously wealthy individuals profitting off the misery of the masses is nothing new to human civilization. 9/11 is just another drop in the bucket. and yes, i agree that it is quite likely that the bush administration had at least some foreknowledge of the attacks but let it happen because the benefits would greatly exceed the costs, much more likely than having themselves engineered the entire thing and risk getting hanged for high treason in an age where the probability of information leaking is considerable.

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