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Bizarre and Erratic Behavior


Having seen Henry VIII continually turn on his closest and most trusted advisers and friends, blaming them for unforeseeable and unavoidable circumstances, often killing them, it amazes me that there continued to be those who sought to be near the king.

Also, how was it that wife number 5, Kathryn Howard, could cheat on the King, knowing as she did how frequently and easily Henry killed those closest to him? It seems all of them felt their friendship or love was more real than any of the others.
How often they found they were mistaken.

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Interesting, isn't it?

Comparable to today, when celebrities want to be famous, despite observing how other celebrities suffer as a result from it (lack of privacy, stalked by journalists, harassed by fans, etc).

People will always want power, and forever pursue it. Many erroneously assume, "Oh, what happened to them won't happen to me."

Regarding Kathryn Howard: that IS an interesting point, isn't it?

The first theory is that wow, she was incredibly stupid. You know, since her cousin lost her head only a few years earlier for "cheating" on the king.

The second theory is that she was innocent of all but a few love notes, that the various confessions were extracted with the hope it might save them somehow, and that as a teenager, she was caught up in the idea of "courtly love" with a handsome young man instead of bedding an old, fat, stinky king.

I suspect poor Kathryn has been maligned -- she certainly is here.

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Some aspects of history are suspect always, as the victors and survivors are those who write it. The story of what happened with Kathryn is like this. We know only what those who survived relate to us.
When only a few people really know the facts, and those who survive to tell the tale are biased, the history must be somewhat suspect.

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Henry's action could be viewed as very cunning. When he wanted to pass unpopular measures, he would use a person he deemed ultimately disposable. Someone who he could offer to the opposition to blame. He had a to maintain a delicate balance between his reforms and the wishes of the nobility. By shifting blame to people like Wolsey and Cromwell, he was able to accomplish what he wanted while maintaining a measure of deniability. His actions probably kept him alive for a very long time.

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It is possible that he was being cunning and devious. History of royalty, at least what is known to outsiders, is somewhat suspect, in my opinion. The victors, the survivors, are the ones who pass down the stories, and I expect there is some bias in the way the stories get relayed to us. So there is always some doubt about how accurate those stories are.

Still, whatever the motivation for his actions, there continued to be those who sought to be near the king. If they were disposable pawns as you suggest, or if Henry were simply hotheaded and intolerant of things not going to plan, either way he wound up banishing and killing a number of people. I know it would give me pause. Being near the King seems to have been dangerous.

But then I suppose that Henry was able to sell the stories that they were disloyal to him, had committed treason, and so forth. And if that were the case, then perhaps it is not so amazing that others continued to want to be near him. They would have believed that these others had actually plotted against the King, something which they themselves had no intention of doing. So they would have figured that they had nothing to worry about. Then only later, when they were falsely accused would they figure out that perhaps the previously executed people might have also been falsely accused.

I would bet there were plenty of people who, seeing the great numbers of people being executed by the King, were quite reticent to be near him.

But I guess there would always be ambitious people who would be drawn to be near the seat of power. Sometimes that kind of desire can override the caution one might otherwise exercise.

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