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AVPR is possibly the worst movie ever made.


I could go on all day about why this movie is a disgrace to not only the alien/predator series but cinema in general. I'll just make as many points as I can. I don’t think I can say anything that hasn’t been said already but I’ll try anyway. WARNING: This is going to be a long one.

1. The opening 20th century Fox logo is a rip off of Alien 3. The way the music fades out is almost the exact same way Alien 3 did it. Get used to this, you're going to notice a lot of these forced references.

2. The opening credits start and we see the credits are spelled out in a cheap, cliche' metal font and we hear the sound of motion trackers. Why? There are none in this movie, why are we hearing motion trackers? This movie hasn't even started and I'm already annoyed.

3. We see scar lying dead on his alter from the first AVP, except now everything is different. The interior of the ship is different and the ship is clearly heading in a completely different direction than it was at the end of the first movie. Continuity? What’s that?

4. The Predators have facehuggers onboard their ship and not only that, we see a predator skinning a dead alien’s head. Soooo...What was the point of the pyramid if you could just breed and hunt aliens onboard your own ship? In the first AVP, they made it seem like the Pyramid was their only means of doing their hunting ritual, that's why they returned every 100 years. But no, they could have done it anywhere and anytime. *beep* stupid.

5. The Predalien proves that she's an effective killing machine: she wastes no time killing two predators, just like any alien would. REMEMBER THAT!

6. The third predator on the ship opens fire on the predalien and like a complete moron continues to open fire thus causing the ship to crash. Are Predators really this stupid? No, it's just an excuse to get this story centered in Dawson's Creek....I mean Gunnison.

7. How long does it take for a predator ship to leave earth? We see the Predalien being born, we see her grow, we see that a predator has had enough time to breed, fight and kill an alien. So why is it that when the ship gets damaged they are still in earth's orbit? that thing should have been half way to Saturn by the time the first predator died. We're not even 5 minutes into this thing and the film already has the biggest plot holes in the series.

8. Why is it that when this huge, loud, crashing ship lands outside of Gunnison, no one sees it except for some father and son hunting team in the woods?

9. The surviving Predator is badly injured and lying on the floor, he's so hurt that he can't even get up and he notices the facehuggers are escaping. So instead of, you know, just blowing himself up like any predator would have done. He sends a distress signal instead. Why didn't he just blow himself up and save Wolf all the trouble? I’ve seen Predators blow themselves up for less.

10. The biggest and most glaring problem with this movie is WOLF. The fact that the Strause brothers thought it was a good idea to send one predator instead of a team shows how much they don't understand the alien series, the importance of tension, or the expectations of the common movie goer. In the alien series and even the first AVP movie, they made it absolutely clear that the aliens can never reach earth or they would spread and take over the world. "They mustn't reach the surface! They mustn't reach the surface!" At least Paul W.S Anderson understood the importance of keeping the aliens from reaching civilized land. This is everything Ripley feared and died to prevent and how do the Strause brothers treat the situation? Oh they just send a glorified predator janitor to clean up the mess. As if that’s all the aliens are to the predators: a minor nuisance that can be taken care of by just one of them. The strause brothers just went up to Ridley Scott,James Cameron, David Fincher, Jean-Pierre Jeunet
and Paul W.S Anderson and said; "Hey guys, you know that creature you all spent so much time trying to make scary and menacing? Well we're about to *beep* all over your efforts." If there is only one predator then there is no tension in the fights, we know he has to live until the end or else the movie couldn’t justify its title. Of course, as we all know, the Strause brothers’ justification for sending one predator is that Wolf is an ubber-dooper-super –dooper-mega-awesome-most-experienced-predator that ever lived…..ever. Too bad everything wolf does proves otherwise.

11. So after that *beep* is over, We get to meet our human characters. All 7 of them…in a movie that’s only an hour and half.
We got an ex-con trying to reconnect with his younger brother.
-A Mother back from overseas trying to reconnect with her daughter.
-The jail bird’s younger brother trying to get the attention of some hot chick.
-A mother looking for her husband and son.
-A sheriff trying to figure out why people are disappearing.
All of these subplots and characters are given little to no development because of the short running time and the fact that we have to cut away from all of these stories to see Wolf hunt aliens. They should have just stuck to one human story and developed it. Not juggle 5 at once.

12. The predalien and the facehuggers have managed to birth a few aliens and they look absolutely pathetic. What happened to the 8 foot tall Giger beast that towered over everyone? Now a homeless woman is looking down on one like a dog. Wolf arrives on earth and crashes into a lake. He rises from the water just like the predator in the first movie. What a rip off.

13. It’s at this point you realize something about the night time scenes in this movie. THEY ARE WAAAAYYY too Dark. Yeah, I know it’s been said a million times but there is no excuse for this in a major motion picture.

14. Wolf runs through the woods and finds the crashed ship….I think, I can barely see anything.

15. He loads up his weapons….AFTER he lands on earth and finds his dead friends. Yeah, I’m sure that’s what an expert cleaner would do: land in a potentially hostile environment, enter the crashed ship, search for his friends and THEN arm himself.

16. The Strause Brothers try so hard to make Wolf LOOK like a badass but never give him any badass things to do. It’s like I can hear the strause brothers saying “you know how most predators only have one symbol on their masks? Well Wolf has like…50…yeah, and he sits in this huge throne, like a king and he’s got like….two shoulder cannons. See how cool he is?” Wolf is the worst predator ever conceived just for the fact that he was made to please fan boys and not tell a story. I’ll delve into that later.

17. Wolf blows up the ship and sets out on his mission….and no one heard or saw this massive explosion just outside of town? Is everyone in Gunnison blind and deaf?

18. Wolf tracks down the dead bodies of the hunter and his son and uses some blue liquid to dissolve the bodies. So this is how Wolf is going to erase evidence? He’s going to go place to place and just drop this *beep* everywhere? The funny thing Is, I didn’t see any other vile of this stuff in his case. He only brought one vile? I guess, you don’t ever see any others.

19. Wolf notices a cop spying on him and kills him. Why? He erased all the evidence of the aliens and dead bodies, so why would he care to kill this harmless cop? He didn’t threaten him, he didn’t do anything. Was it because he didn’t want the humans to be alerted to his presence? No, that can’t be it because later he skins the cop and hangs him up for the world to see.

20. Wolf finally tracks down the aliens in a sewer and it’s here where we finally get to see Wolf’s skill as a hunter. He walks cautiously through the sewer and….doesn’t notice the alien casually hanging to his left. With his Alien vision, that thing should have been as easily spotted as headlights on a dark road. But that’s ok because he keeps on going and…walks past another alien without noticing. Boy, Wolf really is aware of his surroundings…just like a true elite, right?...Right?

21. Why didn’t those two aliens kill him? Oh right, because we can’t have our one and only predator dying before the climax.

22. Wolf sets up some grid like laser nets and then screams out to the aliens to come and get him. Yeah, they’ll only attack when Wolf is good and ready for a fight…good thing the aliens are such good sports.

23. He fights the aliens and it’s painful to watch. ( If you can see anything at all that is) He tosses the aliens around like rag dolls and holds two of them up by their throats like they were nothing. Are these the 8 foot tall Perfect organisms from the original alien series? Are these the ultimate Prey from the first AVP movie? No, they’re 4 foot tall pussies who can’t even get out of the grip of the predator’s hand. And before you bring up the whole “experienced elder” get out of jail card: Keep in mind that grabbing someone by the throat takes no skill or experience at all. I can grab a cat by the neck and he’d scratch the living hell out of my arm. What do these aliens do? Nothing, they don’t scratch him with their claws, they don’t stab him with their tails or spit acid in his face or just you know, simply over power him.

24. And since Wolf Is such an expert at killing aliens, he’s going to do the most logical execution move on these aliens…He’s going to shoot them at pointblank range. Yeah, because that’s what you want to do to a creature with acid for blood.

25. The predalien shows up and smacks wolf with her tail. Why didn’t she just kill him like she did with all the other predators at the beginning of the movie? Oh right, we can’t have our only Predator die too early.

26. The aliens leave the sewers and wolf follows them and because he doesn’t want to draw attention to himself, he uses his Nintendo power glove to blow a giant hole in the middle of the street and rises out of the hole uncloaked. He’s quite the expert isn’t he?

27. While Wolf follows a single alien to a power plant. The predalien and her crew invade a restaurant and impregnate a waitress with like 5 or 6 new aliens: more than making up for the two wolf killed in the sewer. So far, Wolf hasn’t made a stitch of progress in his mission to wipe out the aliens.

28. By the way, you’re probably wondering why I’m not mentioning any of the human characters. Well like I said, they’re so
underdeveloped they aren’t worth mentioning.

29. Wolf tracks an alien to a power plant and you won’t believe this: an Alien actually gets the better of him. He surprise attacks him and shoves him over a railing and impales him on a metal pipe. Yeah, gravity and a conveniently placed pipe did the real damage, god forbid we actually let the aliens get some real hits off Wolf. So after inflicting damage on wolf, what does the alien do? Nothing, he just goes for a casual stroll somewhere. Isn't he going to finish the job? Did he get bored or something? I also love how he slowly walks away even with wolf shooting at him. Thank god a bunch of metal was blocking his shots otherwise that alien would have died.

30. After Wolf causes a blackout, the aliens begin taking over the town. There’s an alien at a school who just killed some kid. Wolf shows up and kills him. Why did wolf come here? How did he know there was an alien in this school? Why this alien? Doesn’t he know the Predalien is his primary target? While he’s wasting his time killing all these aliens one by one, the predalien is giving birth to like 50 more.

31. Wolf hides in a tree to heal his wound from the power plant. You’ll notice a huge trail of green blood going up the tree, he’s bleeding like crazy and yet he chooses NOW to heal his wound. Not before he made his pointless trip from the power plant to the school…nope, now is the time. Damn Wolf really knows what he’s doing, huh?

32. Wolf’s healing scene is retarded. He got pierced with a thick pipe, he’s bleeding like crazy and how does he heal himself? He sticks a small metal staple in his wound, that’s it. He doesn’t stitch himself up like the predator from the first movie or burn the wound like the one from predator 2 did. He just sticks a small…thing in his wound and is good to go. Never mind the fact that he should still be bleeding from both the front AND the back.

33. So after that, he looks to his side and sees….traffic. He then rises into a badass pose as if he’s going to do something about it. What the *beep* is he going to do? Direct traffic? What was the motivation for that scene?

34. Wolf finds some humans in a department store. He uses them as bait to lure some aliens. Even though the aliens were already breaking into the store to begin with.

35. Once again, the aliens embarrass themselves by trying to attack wolf. He shrugs them off like nothing as expected. No tension, no suspense, no fun.

36. Later we see the dead aliens lying on the floor. Apparently wolf doesn’t give a *beep* about erasing evidence anymore.

37. Wolf throws away his broken shoulder cannon and leaves it on the roof. Apparently, he also doesn’t care about leaving his tech around either. He also left his laser grids in the sewers. Something Humans would have easily found after he left a giant hole in the middle of the street.

38. Wolf notices that the aliens have taken over a hospital….and pretty much the whole town. Wolf has failed at his mission. So what exactly was the point of sending one Predator to stop an alien outbreak? I thought wolf was supposed to be god among predators: the best of the best; the ultimate elite badass? I guess not, he’s just an incompetent moron whose only purpose is to make predator fanboys wet themselves.

39. Wolf goes to the hospital and like a true predator, he quietly sneaks in through a window….nah, I’m kidding, he breaks through the front door and makes as much noise as possible.

40. Wolf walks through the hospital and once again the Predalien gets the drop on him and instead of killing him, smacks him with her tail…again.

41. the Predalien is a pussy who backs off from a little scratch from Wolf’s wrist blades and would rather let one of her worthless drones attack Wolf. Something she knew was pointless because she had to save two of them earlier in the movie.

42. Wolf stabs the alien and doesn't get any acid blood on him. He then shoots it at pointblank range and STILL doesn't get any acid blood on him. The Aliens once again prove to be weak, stupid, and worthless. Except for that one part where they took out an entire military unit in under a minute. Yeah OK, they can work together to take out an entire military unit but not a single predator? A stupid Predator who just walks around announcing his presence to the world?

43. Wolf kills some guy’s girlfriend. And the guy unloads a machine gun at him and not one bullet makes contact with his skin. His armor only covers 30% of his body and not a single bullet or drop of acid blood touches his skin. GOD THIS MOVIE SUCKS!

44. Wolf finally goes one on one with the predalien but not before giving one final insult to one of cinema’s greatest monsters. He slices an alien in half and as if to add insult to injury he walks over and crushes his head like a beer can.

45. Wolf fights the predalien and stabs it with his spear and the predalien responds by punching him in the face. Whatever happened to the pussy who backed off from Wolf’s wrist blades? Oh, now the predalien has some balls. Too bad she doesn’t have any brains since she once again just smacks him with her tail instead of just killing him…for the third time.

46. Wolf takes off all of his gear and the predalien just stands there and lets him do it. Aliens love a fair fight now?

47. During their fight the predalien manages to stab Wolf in the shoulder with her inner jaw. Why didn't she just stab him through his head like she did with...ahhh you get it by now.

48. The predalien manages to beat the crap out of wolf and instead of finally letting the aliens have a victory over him: wolf rips out the predalien’s tongue and stabs her in the head, the predalien then stabs him with her tail. It’s a draw. It has to be a draw, otherwise it wouldn't be fair to the predator fans.👀

49. The government decides to nuke the town just because one military unit was defeated. They have no information about the aliens that would justify them nuking a town.

50. At least Paul W.S Anderson knew how to balance out the creatures so both of them had their moment in the spotlight.

51. at least Paul W.S Anderson Knew you can't have the aliens running around Anytown USA because that means the world would end.

52. Making the Aliens this weak is not only an insult to the aliens but the predators as well. Why would the Predators, a race of hunters who live for the challenge and thrill of the hunt, waste their time with a bunch of pathetic little insects? What bragging right would they have for hanging an alien skull on their wall? They might as well mount the skulls of kittens while their at it.

53. Aliens can all of a sudden barf embryos into people? I know the strause brothers said it was because she was a queen or some stupid *beep* like that but I shouldn't have to look up the answer online. The movie should tell me why and it didn't.

I don’t throw around the phrase “worst movie ever” often but this movie deserves that title or at least belongs in the bottom 20 list or something. We’re talking about a film that fails in its entire premise. One predator to take care of an entire alien outbreak? He fails miserably, so what was the point in watching this *beep* The government cleans up everything for him. Why is wolf even in this movie? Fan service….that’s it. You could take him out of this movie and nothing would change. The aliens would still take over the town, the human characters would have still escaped and the town would have still gotten nuked. There is no reason for wolf to exist, all the predators before him had a purpose in the movies they were in, they effected the plot in some way, Wolf didn't. If you really wanted to do a film with just one predator then you might as well just have one alien. Why not have the predalien be the only alien in the movie and have her set up a hive, it'll be like a ticking time bomb situation. Wolf would have to find the hive before the aliens grow and take over. It's cost effective and you'd be pleasing both fanbases.

The strause brothers should never be allowed to direct again, AVPR is one of the worst movies ever made and Skyline was slightly better only because I could actually see what was happening.

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Some great points there. I didn't notice a lot of them.

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all true

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Well Wolf is a of the highest ranking meaning he has earned his acid proof equipment. Being of the elite Yautja Wolf was more then skilled enough to take down multiple xenos and wouldn't have trouble.

Also as u mentioned the preds from AvP wer basically Students taking ther final. You must prove yourself and only if ur worthy do u get the new acid proof equipment.

As well u mentioned Xenos on the pred ship as if they wer out of place. To the the Yautja the xenos are the pinnacle of a true hunt. They keep face Huggers on board so they may seed them to diff planets so they can hunt different game (as xenos are there ultimate prey) as the xenos take the characteristics of whatever ther host may be. The xenos bred on earth in the pyramid are for final training and hunting by the uninitiated. Limited to 6(-8)
Sacrifices.

Also the Predator in P1 used a staple ro close his wound he did not "stitch" it up.

I can't remember what else u said but whule most of it is gripping at nothing I do agree with many parts.

why is the movie so goddamn dark?!
Someone seriously tell me

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Well Wolf is a of the highest ranking meaning he has earned his acid proof equipment.


It's not about whether his weapons were acid proof or not, it's about the fact that the acid never touched his exposed skin.

Being of the elite Yautja Wolf was more then skilled enough to take down multiple xenos and wouldn't have trouble.


Yeah except for the fact that the aliens in this movie were 4 foot tall weak little pussies and nothing like the REAL aliens From the other movies. You can't call yourself an elite if your enemies are so weak, they can't even get out of the grip of your hand. In the first AVP,a predator had to struggle just to keep an alien off of him, in this movie all a predator has to do is grab two of them by the neck and the fight is over. It has nothing to do with experience or training, the aliens were just reduced to worthless bugs, for the purposes of fan service for Predator fanboys.

As well u mentioned Xenos on the pred ship as if they wer out of place. To the the Yautja the xenos are the pinnacle of a true hunt. They keep face Huggers on board so they may seed them to diff planets so they can hunt different game (as xenos are there ultimate prey) as the xenos take the characteristics of whatever ther host may be. The xenos bred on earth in the pyramid are for final training and hunting by the uninitiated. Limited to 6(-8)
Sacrifices.


I don't know where you're getting all this crap from, but you sure as hell didn't get from the movies. Hence, it means nothing. Also, it doesn't matter if the predator has never hunted an alien or not, an Alien would never just stand there and let himself get strangled.

Also the Predator in P1 used a staple ro close his wound he did not "stitch" it up.


Nope he stitched it up, watch it again.

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Ohh and r u kidding me about Skyline? Terrible movie but like u said it's at least visible. I mean cmon they nuke a unprotected ship which honestly should have vaporized that ship and annihilated the crew. I mean cmon u just dropped a piece of the sun right on ther heads

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1. The opening 20th century Fox logo is a rip off of Alien 3. The way the music fades out is almost the exact same way Alien 3 did it. Get used to this, you're going to notice a lot of these forced references.


That's called a homage. This film is littered with them. Most of them are just used because they are elements that can work with the aesthetic:

-The sounds effects used in the opening sequence, from the first Predator film.

-The cruiser ship that detaches itself from the main ship - the same or similar one from Predator.

-The Predalien's breathing is the same SFX as the Queen Alien's breathing from Aliens.

-The shot of the Wolf entering our atmosphere - look familiar?

-The shot of the Wolf climbing out of the lake - look familiar?

-The shot of the Wolf running away from the explosion?

-The shot of the homeless woman backed against the wall as the Alien approaches. Her face is placed to the left of the frame, similarly to Veronica Cartwright's death scene in Alien.

-Wolf's roar when he removes his mask in the final showdown. It's difficult for others to notice this, but it's also the same roar used in Resurrection, by the newborn.

-When Richie is attacked in the kitchen, and the waitress is backed up against the wall with an encroaching Alien - the iconic Alien 3 shot.

-Kelly and her daughter are a carbon copy of Ripley and Newt. This one is more of a rip off, so you might as well have this one, giving that Kelly is the 'strong' mother.

-Steve Pasquale's character is named Dallas. Ahem.

-Kelly and her daughter driving a large tank with Horner-esq music in the background. Another and more evident rip off.

-"Get to the chopper!" Dallas' line. Ahem.

-And the most shameful... Flying away from an explosion, again, with Horner-esq music.

Most of these are clear and honest homages. Some of them are trying to replicate the same effect as seen in previous films for the 'wow' effect.

2. The opening credits start and we see the credits are spelled out in a cheap, cliche' metal font and we hear the sound of motion trackers. Why? There are none in this movie, why are we hearing motion trackers? This movie hasn't even started and I'm already annoyed.


The 'cheap, cliche metal font' is used in, oh I don't know, every other fùcking Sci-Fi film ever made. Why aren't you bitching about that, and why are you picking and that? (Aside from me, because it's an irrational reason to hate on something, really.) Wait a minute, you don't like this movie because "we hear motion trackers" and "there are none so why are we hearing these sound effects... used in the opening sequence..." Honestly, that's literally the most Nazi reason to hate a movie, ever. I'm saving this one to my drive so that I may add it to my collection. It's an opening sequence. Seriously, even if they did include the trackers then you'd probably bitch about how they're constantly 'ripping off' the other films, as well.


3. We see scar lying dead on his alter from the first AVP, except now everything is different. The interior of the ship is different and the ship is clearly heading in a completely different direction than it was at the end of the first movie. Continuity? What’s that?


No, that's called direction. Obviously, whilst it's still noticeable, it really is a tiny thing to worry about. It's not for continuity, it was probably altered so that the elements of the first film - whatever they planned to carry on in AVPR - would match the visual elements of this film. If you watch both films back to back, you'll notice the first film is more of a history lesson, and the second film is much darker. Besides, it's more respectable to re-shoot that sequence for the sequel, rather than just re-use footage. Re-using footage is just lazy.


4. The Predators have facehuggers onboard their ship and not only that, we see a predator skinning a dead alien’s head. Soooo...What was the point of the pyramid if you could just breed and hunt aliens onboard your own ship? In the first AVP, they made it seem like the Pyramid was their only means of doing their hunting ritual, that's why they returned every 100 years. But no, they could have done it anywhere and anytime. *beep* stupid.


Yes, because hunting aliens on their own ship turned out well for them.
These predators are probably a lot older than the ones in the previous film. The Pyramids were used for a lot more for just hunting but after the takeover, they were simply used as hunting grounds. Those face-huggers could have been used for anything; science, research, breeding, etc... They could have been kept for storage for a training exercise... You never know. Not to mention, there are probably pyramids on other planets. The one on Earth is used every hundred years, but not on other planets, probably. Besides, those predators could have just returned from another pyramid on Earth where they had just finished their training exercise.
I'm literally just guessing. There could be a number of reasons why they would breed the species they hunt.

5. The Predalien proves that she's an effective killing machine: she wastes no time killing two predators, just like any alien would. REMEMBER THAT!


You said, it, she's proved she's an effective killing machine. I'm sure she would waste time taking out the threats instead of, ya'know, just sitting around like a duck and waiting for the Predators to find her. I don't see you bitching about her wasting the whole movie just killing lots of people just to breed.

6. The third predator on the ship opens fire on the predalien and like a complete moron continues to open fire thus causing the ship to crash. Are Predators really this stupid? No, it's just an excuse to get this story centered in Dawson's Creek....I mean Gunnison.


Well, obviously that needed happen somehow. How would you like to see the ship crash?

9. The surviving Predator is badly injured and lying on the floor, he's so hurt that he can't even get up and he notices the facehuggers are escaping. So instead of, you know, just blowing himself up like any predator would have done. He sends a distress signal instead. Why didn't he just blow himself up and save Wolf all the trouble? I’ve seen Predators blow themselves up for less.


Did you see the explosion that bomb left when detonated by the Wolf when he salvaged his weapons? That explosion wasn't even to scale like the one in the first film. Hell, the Wolf just ran away in time with literally two seconds on the clock and survived. Hm.

10. The biggest and most glaring problem with this movie is WOLF. The fact that the Strause brothers thought it was a good idea to send one predator instead of a team shows how much they don't understand the alien series, the importance of tension, or the expectations of the common movie goer. In the alien series and even the first AVP movie, they made it absolutely clear that the aliens can never reach earth or they would spread and take over the world. "They mustn't reach the surface! They mustn't reach the surface!" At least Paul W.S Anderson understood the importance of keeping the aliens from reaching civilized land. This is everything Ripley feared and died to prevent and how do the Strause brothers treat the situation? Oh they just send a glorified predator janitor to clean up the mess. As if that’s all the aliens are to the predators: a minor nuisance that can be taken care of by just one of them. The strause brothers just went up to Ridley Scott,James Cameron, David Fincher, Jean-Pierre Jeunet
and Paul W.S Anderson and said; "Hey guys, you know that creature you all spent so much time trying to make scary and menacing? Well we're about to *beep* all over your efforts." If there is only one predator then there is no tension in the fights, we know he has to live until the end or else the movie couldn’t justify its title. Of course, as we all know, the Strause brothers’ justification for sending one predator is that Wolf is an ubber-dooper-super –dooper-mega-awesome-most-experienced-predator that ever lived…..ever. Too bad everything wolf does proves otherwise.


Agreed. Sending one Predator was to clean up an entire infestation was all kinds of stupid, especially giving that the Wolf predator is incredibly stupid. Skinning the cop and inadvertently drawing attention to himself.

11. So after that *beep* is over, We get to meet our human characters. All 7 of them…in a movie that’s only an hour and half.
We got an ex-con trying to reconnect with his younger brother.
-A Mother back from overseas trying to reconnect with her daughter.
-The jail bird’s younger brother trying to get the attention of some hot chick.
-A mother looking for her husband and son.
-A sheriff trying to figure out why people are disappearing.
All of these subplots and characters are given little to no development because of the short running time and the fact that we have to cut away from all of these stories to see Wolf hunt aliens. They should have just stuck to one human story and developed it. Not juggle 5 at once.


Well, credit to lazy writing. The Strauss brothers thought that by adding a lot of intertwining sub-plots that it would be more interesting. it worked for me, but nonetheless that's true. There was no development, and a considerable lacking of energy from the actors.

12. The predalien and the facehuggers have managed to birth a few aliens and they look absolutely pathetic. What happened to the 8 foot tall Giger beast that towered over everyone? Now a homeless woman is looking down on one like a dog. Wolf arrives on earth and crashes into a lake. He rises from the water just like the predator in the first movie. What a rip off.


Again, the Predator rising from the water is a clear and honest homage. Not a rip off. And then creatures would've had to have been shortened, and more rigid and faster, giving that they are stunting all throughout the film. Besides, if you're a fan of Cameron's film, then you'd remember that the creatures there weren't the tall, slender creature from the first film. That was his directional choice giving that the Aliens had to achieve climbing up walls, running around, etc... And if you're like me, the 'warrior' aliens are seen as more smaller and more agile, so that they may protect their hive. But hey, I'm just sayin'...

13. It’s at this point you realize something about the night time scenes in this movie. THEY ARE WAAAAYYY too Dark. Yeah, I know it’s been said a million times but there is no excuse for this in a major motion picture.


Personally, I see nothing wrong this. I prefer the dark texture. It's not overly lit like the dark rooms in the first film, or like in any Michael Bay film.


14. Wolf runs through the woods and finds the crashed ship….I think, I can barely see anything.


It's clear through his Pred-Vision. Apparently, you couldn't see that either? But I watched it yesterday; there was one really awkward shot, of the Wolf running to the ship, and the camera was behind him. He disappeared into the bushes after about two seconds then was barely visible.

15. He loads up his weapons….AFTER he lands on earth and finds his dead friends. Yeah, I’m sure that’s what an expert cleaner would do: land in a potentially hostile environment, enter the crashed ship, search for his friends and THEN arm himself.


The only thing the Wolf knew going down to Earth, was that he received a distress call, and that it crashed on Earth. As he watches the Predators last moments in the ship, he sees that there is in fact another threat - and that the face-huggers have left the craft. This isn't a fan boy trying to argue your opinion, literally, that is how it happened.

16. The Strause Brothers try so hard to make Wolf LOOK like a badass but never give him any badass things to do. It’s like I can hear the strause brothers saying “you know how most predators only have one symbol on their masks? Well Wolf has like…50…yeah, and he sits in this huge throne, like a king and he’s got like….two shoulder cannons. See how cool he is?” Wolf is the worst predator ever conceived just for the fact that he was made to please fan boys and not tell a story. I’ll delve into that later.


Here is where I get confused. The symbols on his head were simply to show he's experienced. And, in my opinion, him merging two shoulder canons into one; using a whip to slice an Alien into three; and going up against three aliens at one time, single handedly, is pretty fûcking bad ass. I also digress that they only stuck with one Predator, since they wanted to make him more of a character, and not just a killing machine. If that strategy worked, is another paragraph entirely.

17. Wolf blows up the ship and sets out on his mission….and no one heard or saw this massive explosion just outside of town? Is everyone in Gunnison blind and deaf?


Well, that explosion was pretty tiny. What I want to know is, is that two space crafts entered Earth within a 12 hour mark, at the exact same location; how didn't the military get there faster enough? Surely, satellites must've deteced that, or something? And the people of Gunnison county didn't also see the ship burning up into our atmosphere? WTF is going on with these people?

18. Wolf tracks down the dead bodies of the hunter and his son and uses some blue liquid to dissolve the bodies. So this is how Wolf is going to erase evidence? He’s going to go place to place and just drop this *beep* everywhere? The funny thing Is, I didn’t see any other vile of this stuff in his case. He only brought one vile? I guess, you don’t ever see any others.


Good point. The mysterious blue vile seemed to last him the whole film, considering how much he used.

19. Wolf notices a cop spying on him and kills him. Why? He erased all the evidence of the aliens and dead bodies, so why would he care to kill this harmless cop? He didn’t threaten him, he didn’t do anything. Was it because he didn’t want the humans to be alerted to his presence? No, that can’t be it because later he skins the cop and hangs him up for the world to see.


Yeah, I talked about this earlier. My friends argue that skinning the cop was merely a warning, but there's really no condoning a clumsy predator.

20. Wolf finally tracks down the aliens in a sewer and it’s here where we finally get to see Wolf’s skill as a hunter. He walks cautiously through the sewer and….doesn’t notice the alien casually hanging to his left. With his Alien vision, that thing should have been as easily spotted as headlights on a dark road. But that’s ok because he keeps on going and…walks past another alien without noticing. Boy, Wolf really is aware of his surroundings…just like a true elite, right?...Right?


Another one of your pendatic excuses. That 'shot' was really only supposed to look cool, or symbolic, or whatever; not to be a part of the scene, persay. I think you'd really enjoy The Truman Show.

21. Why didn’t those two aliens kill him? Oh right, because we can’t have our one and only predator dying before the climax.


Because Wolf is bad ass. The Predator fights Aliens. Starting to wonder if you've watched the film at least once.

22. Wolf sets up some grid like laser nets and then screams out to the aliens to come and get him. Yeah, they’ll only attack when Wolf is good and ready for a fight…good thing the aliens are such good sports.


Tell that to every time people have been in the presence of an Alien hive; In Aliens, the creatures just sat in the walls as the marines slowly entered. Why aren't you bitching about that, either?

23. He fights the aliens and it’s painful to watch. ( If you can see anything at all that is) He tosses the aliens around like rag dolls and holds two of them up by their throats like they were nothing. Are these the 8 foot tall Perfect organisms from the original alien series? Are these the ultimate Prey from the first AVP movie? No, they’re 4 foot tall pussies who can’t even get out of the grip of the predator’s hand. And before you bring up the whole “experienced elder” get out of jail card: Keep in mind that grabbing someone by the throat takes no skill or experience at all. I can grab a cat by the neck and he’d scratch the living hell out of my arm. What do these aliens do? Nothing, they don’t scratch him with their claws, they don’t stab him with their tails or spit acid in his face or just you know, simply over power him.


Sigh.

30. After Wolf causes a blackout, the aliens begin taking over the town. There’s an alien at a school who just killed some kid. Wolf shows up and kills him. Why did wolf come here? How did he know there was an alien in this school? Why this alien? Doesn’t he know the Predalien is his primary target? While he’s wasting his time killing all these aliens one by one, the predalien is giving birth to like 50 more.


OH MY GOD probably because he is there to kill them? I thought the Wolf was there to pick flowers.

53. Aliens can all of a sudden barf embryos into people? I know the strause brothers said it was because she was a queen or some stupid *beep* like that but I shouldn't have to look up the answer online. The movie should tell me why and it didn't.


You obviously weren't watching the film. Only the Predalien could do that, not all together an Alien. That was probably a queen alien embryo that was laid in Scar in the first film. QUEEN ALIENS REPRODUCE.

48. The predalien manages to beat the crap out of wolf and instead of finally letting the aliens have a victory over him: wolf rips out the predalien’s tongue and stabs her in the head, the predalien then stabs him with her tail. It’s a draw. It has to be a draw, otherwise it wouldn't be fair to the predator fans.


Or the Alien fans...

50. At least Paul W.S Anderson knew how to balance out the creatures so both of them had their moment in the spotlight.


Paul Anderson doesn't grasp how to make films. He's literally just as bad as Michael Bay.

51. at least Paul W.S Anderson Knew you can't have the aliens running around Anytown USA because that means the world would end.


And that would be bad only if the AVP series were a part of the Alien and Predator franchise. It's clearly become a part of the franchises history, if you consider it to be that way.

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@TrentReznorandAtticusRoss: You did a very nice job destroying that Alien fanboy's whiny rant. You used clear logic and facts to do it. Well done.


I think the "Wolf" Predator actually made quite a few mistakes as an alleged "elite" hunter, but it did come very close to wiping out the budding Alien infestation on its own... and actually took out a PredAlien (which is quite a bit more formidable) all by itself, dying in the process. Alien fanboys like the thread starter here need to cry themselves a river and drown in it.


The fact is, this film's setting just didn't work for it. The damage that Anderson's AvP1 had previously done to the general crossover concept was too much of a burden, so the studio just set out to throw an R-rated double dip together on a very low budget production & cast. Requiem has its moments, but mixing these two sci-fi franchises together is simply a concept that was never going to work in my honest opinion.


Having said that, I'll go ahead and lay the hammer down: Much of the hate for this particular film comes from Xenomorph fanatics who just can't accept seeing a "somewhat" capable Predator mowing down Aliens in a variety of ways. Those crybabies need to get over it. You don't see them whining every time someone gets brutally murdered or abducted by those same Aliens in the film, so it's very clear that they just want preferential favoritism given to them the way Anderson (one of their own kind) previously gave them.


The Strauses actually made the "Wolf" Predator quite limited in terms of what it should have been -- the "Wolf" Predator made many mistakes (several of of which were stupid) during that mission. If anything, the lone Predator in this film was dumbed down significantly, which is a shame. The only other "Predators" in this film die during the initial five minutes; I never once saw ANY whining about that. Alien "fanboys" need to engage in the task of attempting to hit themselves over the heads with baseball bats... and hopefully they all will succeed at it.

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Personally, I see nothing wrong this. I prefer the dark texture. It's not overly lit like the dark rooms in the first film, or like in any Michael Bay film.


That's absurd. Other movies aren't overly lit; this movie is ridiculously under-lit, to the point of incompetency. Even scenes taking place in broad daylight with the sun shining are dark, with severely crushed blacks. And what do Michael Bay movies have to do with anything? All competently-made movies are lit well enough to see what's going on, and have good shadow detail. That includes all of the movies in both the Alien franchise and the Predator franchise, as well as the other movie in the Alien vs. Predator franchise. Why do you think that this movie, and this movie alone, has so many threads and posts complaining about it being way too dimly lit?

The word "dark" is even a Google search autocomplete after typing the title of this movie, and there are a lot of online articles talking about the problem. It was even commonly mentioned by professional critics:

"Based on 68 reviews, the film scored a 12% approval rating at Rotten Tomatoes and 29 out of 100 at Metacritic, with the consensus stating; 'The increased gore and violence over the first Alien vs. Predator can't excuse Requiem's disorienting editing, excessively murky lighting, and lack of new ideas'"

Movies are an audio/visual medium. If you don't want the visual part you might as well listen to a radio drama instead.

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I agree with just about every point you made.

I was so excited about there being another AvP movie because I really enjoyed the first one plus I'm a huge fan of the first three Aliens movies and the first Predator movie. As I always do, I avoided all trailers and info about this movie before seeing it, avoided it like it was the plague. I walked in blind, not knowing anything about it.

Needless to say, I wanted my money back. I was ANGRY, I just couldn't believe it. Was it a joke? Did I just watch an episode of The OC with an inept predator, weak aliens, and a ridiculous cartoon villain.

The "Predalien". Why does it have dreadlocks? I can't even ask that without chuckling.

The film makers owe us an apology.

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