I can't stand to listen to that cheap immitation of reggae and hip hop. It's so repetitive and painful to the ears.
And imitating hip hop is not a good thing considering most hip hop these days suck. "Hey bebe", what the heck is that? Hip Hop has went downhill.
Different strokes 4 different folkz
I luv it
Well your name is Hello Kitty and judging by your writing skills and what number you put at the end of your ID, you're 15.
I just thought what you said was funny. You'll grow out of it, don't worry.
Well your name is Hello Kitty and judging by your writing skills and what number you put at the end of your ID, you're 15.
I just thought what you said was funny. You'll grow out of it, don't worry.
Finally, an intelligent person on this board. I agree, reggaeton is a low form of music.
shareHey you're been too hard with the word "horrible". While I'll give it to you, sometimes it gets repetitive, the genre itself its about fusion with other genres, let it be hip hop, reggae, bachata, salsa or any other king of music. And most of all, it's not cheap. It's making millions, and major hip hop and R&B artists such as Jay-Z and R. Kelly are getting into it. So much for the horrible thing.
shareNo it's not. It's unbelievble and great music to get loose to. And it's not a cheap imitation, you idiot, it combines those forms but also has its own elements. Stop being so close minded and if you don't like it, don't listen.
Las mujeres son barajas
Que hay que saber barajar
Chalino Sanchez R.I.P.
just like the new hiphop is a cheap dumb down imitation of Real HipHop...the only difference is that Reggaeton is goin PLATINUM, and this new HipHop is goin platinum, on ringtones that is....yeah and reggaeton artist CAN perform live
shareI guess Fifty, Common, and Kanye just sold ringtones. Don't hate on Hip Hop. Your culture just copied black culture and everyone knows it but latin people. Or maybe they don't want to know.
Keep looking out for the ringtone your going to buy from Jay-Z's new album.
"Your culture just copied black culture and everyone knows it but latin people. Or maybe they don't want to know."
This statement is just ignorant. For one Hip-Hop has it's roots in the South Bronx. Hip-Hop is South Bronx Urban Culture. Where you from? Are you from the South Bronx. Were you out there in the Projects during the late 70's when the DJ's threw the Jams and MC's rocked the Mic? You probably weren't even a gleam in your fathers eyes. Your mommy and daddy were probably listening to Motown and Disco music when African Americans and Puerto Ricans were DJ'ing, MC'ing, Graffiti'ng & B-boying in the South Bronx. Then a few acts blow up in the early to mid eighties wakes up the rest of "Black America" to this already well established art form. Now 3 decades later you have a bunch of ignorant folks who grew up watching "Yo! MTV Raps!" & reading the "Source" thinking they know the true history of Hip-Hop, why trying to lay claim to it solely because they share the same phenotype with some of the pioneers who were there in the beginning. You can't rewrite history because it doesn't favor your view of it. Puerto Ricans were involved and a part of the Hip-Hop scene from it's inception. Everyone who was there in the beginning knows it. Or maybe it's ignorant folks like you who don't want to know.
^^^^^^^^^^ i mean though why are 99% of the acts black though?
Is that why they let y'all call say the N-word...hip hop...wow. and they say it.
i think blacks actually created rock n roll all alone but because 99% of the people doing are white today they dont clam it. You shouldnt claim something you really have never been apart of, they dont. but no matter what it will always be seen as african american music.. rap is a rip off of soul music if you didnt know. James brown is the number 1 person the hip hop thing came from. soul, Thats black music i believe. If you wanted people to see it as spanish music, you should have had more successful acts. Eminem, WHO ROCKS, has sold more than all spanish combined i think.
Puerto Ricans were a part of Hip-Hop scene from it's inception. Some of the better-known acts of the 70s and early 80s were DJ Charlie Chase of The Cold Crush Brothers, Rubie Dee and Prince Whipper Whip of the Fantastic Five, OC and Tito of the Fearless Four, most of the Rock Steady Crew and the New York City Breakers. If you ever get the chance and they give it again try and catch a documentary on VH1 called 30 years of Hip-Hop. Pay attention to the early years. Watch when they give archival footage of some of those early Jams in the park or club scenes. Look at the audience and look at some of the early performers. If you see light skinned kats with straight hair, they're not black but Rican. We were there from day one. We weren't allowed in, we were grandfathered in. But also pay attention to how the first early acts were put together and who cut the records. They saw Hip-Hop as a fad to try to make a buck off of. To these people it was a "Black" thing and they rarely gave out contracts to "Latino" artists. The only way "Latinos" got contracts were to try & find some kind of gimmick. Look at the "Fat Boys", one of the three performers Mark "Prince Markee Dee" Morales is Puerto Rican, he only got a contract because the other two artists were black and they had a gimmick. That was usually the case back in the day. It also led to the spread of Spanish "Hip-Hop" on the island of Puerto Rico. Where Nuyoricans went to the island with their records and eventually started cutting their own albums on the island. If you couldn't make it in the states then you had a better chance to do it on the island. Panamanian influenced Spanish reggae was introduced on the island a few years later in the early to mid 90's. After some mixing in the underground scene Reggeaton was created. The use of the "N-Word" by Puerto Ricans had to do with us growing up among AA's from the sandbox and on. We adopted one anothers slang, mannerisms and style of dress among other things. The "N-Word" is a bastardization of the spanish word for black (Negro). It's not a racial epithet in Latin America. So we didn't have a problem using it in the correct context.
shareyeah i hear you but still blacks are the ones who made it big....nwa, 2pac,biggie, dre,snoop,geto boys,50 cent jay-z ect.... without them nobody would even know what hip hop is. If spanish rappers were more successful, companies would have no prob. signing them.
Like, lets take basketball, whites created it but because 99% of the people doing it are black. Its Accepted by whites and blacks that its a black thing. Outside of larry bird, their the ones who blew the thing up. I guess rican refuse to go by that rule though.
but anyhow lAtinos have your own culture, i dont why you care so much of what people think hip hop is.
My point is that Puerto Ricans, I can't speak for other Latino groups, from the South Bronx were there from the beginning. So for someone to say we copied or we stole or we were allowed into the Hip-Hop culture is just plain wrong and ignorant. Everything that I have stated is fact. But I will agree that African Americans had the largest influence in shaping it and spreading it across the US. As far as having talent is all one needs to get a record contract, sadly it doesn't quite work that way. There are a lot of talented Puerto Rican performers who were ignored simply because they thought, as even you put it, "it's a black thing". Hip-Hop is an urban thing that has it's roots in the South Bronx. Just to be clear Hip-Hop culture in the beginning included DJ'ing, MC'ing (rapping), B-Boying (Breakdancing) and Graffiti. It was a lot more than a few guys sampling records and cutting albums. Puerto Ricans were a part of the entire culture. But unfortunately most people just remember us as B-Boys. Don't get me wrong a few Puerto Ricans got in the door but many were looked over. It's not just talent it's also the type of connections you have. That's why I respect Fat Joe. When he made it big he opened the doors for a lot of Latino performers. Without him we wouldn't know of some of the talented members of the Terror Squad, that means no "Big Pun" and no "Cuban Link" among others. These talented performers would have just been another part of the underground scene where many many Puerto Rican artists still remain today, still trying to make it big.
As far as Latinos having their own culture. You're speaking of people who reside in Latin America or perhaps influences from our parents or grandparents. Yes some of us embrace those ancestral cultural ties but we're also a product of our environments. I grew up in the South Bronx, I was there at those early jams in the parks or the one's at the projects. Me and my friends, Ricans and AA's, use to breakdance, pop&lock, had grafitti notepads and would try to out rhyme each other. I had the Kangol hats, the shell top adidas, the leather bombers, the gazelles, etc etc. It was very much our culture as it was anyone elses. The fact that some AA in another state tries to tell me that it's more their culture simply because they're skin color is brown and the fact that I was there (as many Ricans were) is irrelevant... well I do tend to take offense that. That's just where I'm coming from.
What ever dude, a few ricans grow up with a brotha and like white boys we hip you to the game. Now you want to claim it. Hip Hop is black all day. The only conversation you can have about latins starting hip hop is in mexico, peuto rico, and somewhere else where there are latin people. White folks ain't even tryin to hear that crap your spewing. It's black music period. You just love it. It's ok, most people do love black music but hates black. We see it as how we had to come up in this Predjudice america.
shareHere we go again. Apparently reading comprehension is not your strong point. I'll say it again until it sinks in. "WE WERE THERE FROM THE BEGINNING, DJ'ING AND MC'ING. A PART OF HIP-HOP CULTURE FROM IT'S INCEPTION. BEFORE THE REST OF BLACK AMERICA EVER HEARD OF HIP-HOP. BACK WHEN 99% OF THEM WERE LISTENING TO MOTOWN AND DISCO MUSIC." I never said Puerto Ricans invented or created the genre. I'll give props where props is due. African Americans invented the genre, (actually a few people in particular and a number of influences) but Puerto Ricans were there as equal paticipants. Some of the early pioneers of the genre were Puerto Ricans. I'm talking about as far back as the 70's even before the Sugar Hill gang came out with their first record. Since we were there from day one, we also had our people doing their thing when it was only a South Bronx thing, then later when it was only a NYC thing and even when it blew up nationally and became as some claim a "Black Thing". Because although Puerto Ricans were part of the FIRST Hip-Hop performers in the genre, in the country and an equal part of the "Hip-Hop Culture" in the South Bronx, we apparently had been duped because *GASP* it was actually a "Black Thing" all along. How could we be so fooish? It was a "Black Thing" before the rest of "Black America" even knew that it was a "Black Thing". But I sure am glad that once the rest of "Black America" found out it was a "Black Thing", that they then ALLOWED US to continue doing what we were always doing, even though we were doing it long before they were. I guess I should thank all of the wonderful people that came after us and jumped on the Hip-Hop bandwagon for reclaiming their skin colored given right to the genre and for giving us Puerto Ricans the nod to continue making and enjoying the music that we were making and enjoying from day one. lol You people are too funny.
And no it's not A FEW Ricans growing up with brothas, the South Bronx was evenly mixed between African Americans and Puerto Ricans. The numbers were comparable with hispanics having the slight edge. Look at the populations for late 70's and early 80's. We're talking about 400,000+ Puerto Ricans and about slightly less African Americans. You've obviously never been to the South Bronx. AA's and Puerto Ricans lived in the same neighborhoods and went to the same schools. We hung out in the same places and listened to the same music. We were 2nd and 3rd generation Puerto Ricans, born and raised in the city. We weren't all speaking spanish and listening to Salsa while AA's were the sole contributors of Hip-Hop. We were there right along side our friends, who happen to be black, as equal partners and members of the Hip-Hop culture. Wake up and smell the coffee. Do a little research first before you try telling me or any other New York City Ricans WHO WAS THERE about wether or not we were allowed into the Hip-Hop culture. We were grandfathered in because we were doing it before the rest of the country. We don't need anyone's permission or approval.
Your right, it wasn't a black thang, just a whole lot of black culture. Keep reaching. Next your going to tell me Peurto rico invented basketball or maybe the time machine. Look at the culture from the beginning. It's black as a trillion midnights. Your moms and dad probably told you everyday, "boy quit acting black". "Noo!!! madre es latino thing I dance Berry good". Holla at you playa. I seen the trailer for this movie. That breakdancing that they are doing in the movie, is that called reggebreak. It's original too. The twirking and booty shake, that's not dancing like my sistas. You know you love it. Keep ridin the sack playa, keep riding the sack. When they asked J-Lo about reppin black music on her come up, her response was it was a latin thing also, I guess all yall are f'ed up. She was reppin latin culture since In livin color I guess.
shareYou're saying a whole lot of nothing. I made my points, which you can't dispute. You've provided me with absolutely no facts to claim that Puerto Ricans weren't involved in Hip-Hop culture from it's inception and long before anyone outside of NYC (aka most black folks) ever heard of it. I even suggested you google some information and even provided you with a simple link. But people like you don't like to read. You just prefer to talk out of your ass. What's funny is that had brown skinned english speaking people from the Caribbean (Jamaican, Barbadoan, Trini's, etc.), instead of Puerto Ricans, had been the largest minority group in the Bronx , had the same exact upbringing and contributed the same amount to the Hip-Hop scene no one would be saying a damn thing. The only thing you, and racist afrocentric folks like you, find fault with is that we aren't black (or black enough). That's why you can't participate in this discussion objectically. It's quite evident from your posts that you know very little about Hip-Hop culture, it's history and it's early adopters. It also amazes me how you think that you could possibly tell me, someone who has been a part of the Hip-Hop culture since the 70's, that the color of your skin gives you entitlement over a cultural expression that was created and blossed in my own back yard (the South Bronx) by my own people (African Americans and Puerto Rican). So with that said, I'm done responding to you. I'll just drop a little knowledge, courtesy of Wikipedia, and step.......
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According to B.Boy Omega, a writer for The Source Magazine and Hip-Hop historian; The first Latino in Hip-Hop music was DJ Disco Wiz, a product of a Puerto Rican father and a Cuban mother who was born in The Bronx. DJ Disco Wiz along with Casanova Fly (Grandmaster Caz)formed the pioneering Mighty Force Crew from 183rd Street and Valentine Avenue in the mid-1970's. Later on they both were joined by the first Latino MC, Prince Whipper Whip; who is Puerto Rican. Whip, unlike Wiz was exclusively an MC; Wiz was a DJ too. Casanova Fly (Grandmaster Caz) would rap and DJ at the same time.
Since Hip-Hop was experienced primarily via audio and not by video, most people never knew that DJ Disco Wiz was Puerto Rican & Cuban until they saw him. As explained by Kevie Kev in the book "Yes Yes Yall" Prince Whipper Whip felt it necessary to keep his Afro-Puerto Rican background a secret in order to gain more positive acceptance. The audience perception of Whip as a Black-American made Rubie Dee the first public Puerto Rican MC according to the book. After DJ Disco Wiz; the second Puerto Rican DJ was an ex-salsa bassist turned DJ named Charlie Chase, who became the DJ along with DJ Tony Tone) for the Cold Crush Brothers.
In 1981 a group called The Mean Machine released a 12" single on Sugar Hill Records called "Disco Dream" which was the first rap record to emphasize Spanglish. In the same year The Sugar Hill Gang featured a solo by Tito Puente on “The Sugar Hill Groove”. DJ and producer Tony Touch also mentions (in an interview on blackmagazine.it) the track "Spanglish" by Spanish Fly & The Terrible 2, came out in the same year on Enjoy Records but was not as well known.
In the early to mid-80's quite a few Latin-Caribbean rappers and DJ’s hit the scene. Producer and DJ Master OC and The Devastating Tito were both a part of The Fearless Four. The Master OC was also the producer of another crew named The Fantasy 3 which featured another Puerto Rican MC named Charlie Rock. Both of these crews were from Harlem. Out of the East New York section of Brooklyn came Prince Markie Dee of The Fat Boys, who later went on to produce Mary J Blige; and Wise, the beat box from Stetsasonic. Both were Puerto Rican; as was Super Lover Cee from the Astoria Projects in Queens. Like Whipper Whip; Markie, Wise and Super Lover Cee's ethnic heritage was not that well known. Other lesser known MC’s and DJ’s included Johnny Rock, DJ Candido, DJ Muscle and DJ Shiz who were all Puerto Ricans from The Bronx, while Mr. L of the TDR crew was half Puerto Rican and half Dominican. DJ Dr. Dust along with his DJ partner and cousin DJ Duran from the Bronx are considered to be the first Dominican DJ’s in Hip-Hop (documented in The BX Factor magazine in 1996.) Of Brazilian heritage, Breez Evahflowin from the Hells Kitchen section of Manhattan, and is most famous as a member of The Stronghold Crew is the first MC in Hip-Hop with parents from Brazil.
This will be the last time I write your dumb ass. Unless you can answer these questions.
As explained by Kevie Kev in the book "Yes Yes Yall" Prince Whipper Whip felt it necessary to keep his Afro-Puerto Rican background a secret in order to gain more POSITIVE ACCEPTANCE. The audience perception of Whip as a Black-American made Rubie Dee the first public Puerto Rican MC according to the book.
Playa why wouldn't latins except Prince Whipper if its latin culture?
What was the last Hip Hop dance originated by latins?
Is that dance in the trailer breakdance from the 70's or what is it?
When you wear a doo-rag, is that a latin thing also?
Since white people started Def Jam is rap originated by whites also?
*beep* bless the mic and put in work when it wasn't cool. There are people that aren't black that bless the mic, but if they want to get props, stop (From the F to the R to the O to the N to the T to the I to the N) and naw they ain't coolin.
Blacks are hard pressed to except others in their music because they try to steal it and act as if they originated it. Check your stats. Some of your googled internet will tell you whites started Jazz. Bet you didn't know that blacks were the originators of disco and House music now called techno. Bet you didn't know that that sucky music you listen to called salsa and merengue came from africans. Where do you think the drums and rythms came from.
Bet you didn't know the King (Elvis) Stole most of his hits from blacks, especially little richard.
We are up on you game. Let it go!!! Let it go!!!!
I'll answer your questions or attempt to.
cs98152 wrote: Playa why wouldn't latins except Prince Whipper if its latin culture?
First of all I never said it was Latin culture. I said it was South Bronx or NYC Urban Culture. In this city there is no distinction between the Ghetto & the Barrio because African Americans and Hispanics occupied the same space. It was as it is now integrated between AA’s and Latino’s. However, Puerto Ricans have a tradition similar to freestyling in our traditional folk music. Usually one would play the guitar and then people would jump in and sing on the spot about any subject they could think of in rhyme. But that’s just a similarity, I’m not saying we created Hip-Hop.
Secondly, by the 1970’s Puerto Ricans were already 2nd and 3rd generation. What that means is that they were born here and English was their first language. For example, my mom played Spanish music as well as old Motown records. She was a big fan of the Supremes and other artists of the day. I took a liking to English music, I wasn’t a big fan of Spanish music. She spoke Spanish around the house as well as English. I mostly replied back in English because it was and is my first language. We, as most Puerto Ricans back then and now, were brought up as Americans but we always repped our ancestral island. The same way the brothers repped mother Africa in force during the 90’s.
What that paragraph is speaking of is Prince Whipper Whip trying to get more POSITIVE ACCEPTANCE by the community at large. He was trying to get a lot of exposure. The more people that like your music the more bookings you would get and the more clubs you were allowed to work at. This was the mid 70’s when Disco was in full swing and Hip-Hop was just starting out.
cs98152 wrote: What was the last Hip Hop dance originated by latins?
I don’t think Fat Joe’s “Lean Back” is a dance nor do I think Down aka Kilo’s “Lean Like A Cholo” is either. They’re just too fat to move. lol Look I didn’t say I majored in Hip-Hop dance. I said I was a B-Boy and into graffiti art. Here read up on B-boying.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakdance or watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpdLz0WFbQM
cs98152 wrote: Is that dance in the trailer breakdance from the 70's or what is it?
I saw some perreo, some stepping and some crunk.
cs98152 wrote: When you wear a doo-rag, is that a latin thing also?
Hey, if a Latino wants to bring back the jheri curl look who am I to stand in their way. Dominicans were rocking it in the 90’s though. lol
Since white people started Def Jam is rap originated by whites also?
You’re speaking of a record label. Rick Ruben & Russel Simmons were integral in signing a lot of artists. Before that label there was Sugar Hill Records, which was started by husband and wife Joe and Sylvia Robinson. Actually Sylvia Robinson, a black woman, is the one who put the Sugar Hill Gang together and signed or put together many of the early groups. Incidentally the Sugar Hill Gang didn’t even know each other before Sylvia put them together. They were like the Hip-Hop version of the Spice Girls. They had absolutely no street cred. I can thank both record labels for signing a few Puerto Rican artists. On the flip side they also promoted African Americans more than they did Puerto Ricans. It’s because of this “Black Thing” you’re so fond of. The view that Puerto Rican artists didn’t fit the mold that these record labels promoted and was later accepted as the standard. It’s the reason many remained in the underground scene and some left to PR to make it big.
Incidentally, since it wasn't mentioned, the founding father of Hip Hop is DJ Kool Herc. He's the one that came up with the "Break Beat" and started it all in the South Bronx. He was also born in Jamaica. So does that mean that rap was originated by Jamaicans and not African Americans? Since he's of Caribbean descent as are Puerto Ricans. Does that mean that us Caribbean Americans created Hip-Hop. Jamaica and Puerto Rico is in the West Indies? So technically we're both West Indian. Does that mean that us West Indians created Hip-Hop? Many, not all, but most Nuyoricans like myself are triracial having (African, Spanish & Indian) blood. In the US if you have one drop of black blood it makes you black. Does that make us black enough to be accepted as creating Hip-Hop?
Do you see how silly this whole it's a "Black Thing" is? I can not deny that DJ Kool Herc is a black man. I can not deny that many of the pioneers and the driving force behind Hip-Hop were black. But you can not deny nor turn a blind eye toward Puerto Ricans who were there in the beginning, MC'ing, DJ'ing, B-Boy'ing and creating Graffiti art. I'm not trying to take ownership or rewriting history. Our presence as an active participant in the culture can't be overlooked simply because our parents or grandparents spoke Spanish or because we're multi-racial. So when someone says we stole Hip-Hop which started this whole discussion, I take offense to it because we were equal participants in Hip-Hop culture from it's inception.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
I love copy paste. I found this nice time line to put it all into perspective.
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Elements of hip-hop have always been around. But when the media first noticed hip-hop, it came from the streets of New York. It was widely and falsely publicized that hip-hop was a “new” black art form. What wasn’t mentioned was the majority of Puerto Ricans that were MCs’, break dancers(Rock Steady Crew), and Graffiti artists. Fidel Rodriquez of Seditious Beats thinks the reason for the corporate media putting one type of face on hip-hop makes it easier for the Major Labels to market and distribute to the masses.
Many of the old school legends like Prince Whipple Whip (Puerto Rican) didn’t enjoy the success of many Rappers that followed, but they helped form and shape the music.
When it came to uprock-ing and B-boying, Latinos brought style and movement into it.
1972 Graffiti goes mainstream: Hugo Martinez creates United Graffiti Artists, a coalition of top subway artists, and exhibits their work in art gallery settings.
1975 Cubano/Puerto Rican DJ Disco Wiz breaks into the hip-hop DJ scene.
1976 Nuyorican DJ Charlie Chase (Cold Crush Brothers) begins mixing Latin elements into his beats.
1977 The Rock Steady Crew is created by Joseph "Joe Joe" Torres and Jimmy Dee.
1981 Fearless Four, founded by Boricua "Devastating Tito" Dones and DJ Oscar "O.C." Rodriguez, release the landmark rap single "Rockin It."
1981 Bilingual Rap-group The Mean Machine record "Disco Dreams" with lyrics in both English and Spanish.
1982 Renowned graffiti artists Lee Quinones and Lady Pink star in the classic hip-hop movie "Wild Style."
April 1983 Richie "Crazy Legs" Colon doubles for actress Jennifer Beals during her breakdancing scenes in the film "Flashdance."
1984 Brooklyn born rapper Vico C starts Spanish rap craze in Puerto Rico.
1984 Cult film "Beat Street" features prominent Latinos from the hip-hop world.
1984 Legendary dancer Pop N Taco is featured in Chaka Khan video "I Feel For You."
''We've been here since the Bronx playgrounds,'' says Mimi Valdés, the Puerto Rican editor-in-chief of Vibe, a leading hip-hop culture magazine. ``But for whatever reason, now is the time. We're seeing more Latino artists who are doing hip-hop."
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Schools Out.
I know what steppin is, but what is perreo and crunk. did you mean Crump? Educate me.
shareYou're right I did mean crump. Crunk is actually a style of Hip-Hop that has it's roots in the "Dirty South". As for perreo it can be translated as doggy. It's a type of dance where usually the male stands behind the female and they move and grind to the music. It's pretty close to dances done in Reggae clubs. You can see a little bit of it in the trailer.
shareJust cause you grow up around blacks and take in their culture don't make you black. Playa Hip Hop came from motown, disco, jazz, blues, steppin started by who? Check your stats. Rock has more roots to Hip Hop then any Latin culture. Name the the last latin that created a hip hop dance? Somebody holdin the latin down. I am hip hop, and been hip hop since your grandparents was tellin you moms and dad that rap is crap. While they were stealin afro-cuban music and trying to call it salsa. Fuc-in thiefs. Pus-y your people just got hip after blacks started hip hop. You can't rewrite history. So keep you do-rag on and breakdancin hollerin it's a latin thing if you want to. Hip Hop till I die.
share"I am hip hop, and been hip hop since your grandparents was tellin you moms and dad that rap is crap."
How old are you? You sound like a juvenile. You probably weren't even born in the 70's. I grew up in the South Bronx during the seventies, eighties, nineties and am still here to this very day. I've been here the whole time and have seen it with my own eyes. I remember the Jams in the park, the parties at community centers, and the block parties in the projects. I've seen a lot of the early DJ's and MC's back in the day. I remember when the MC (Master of Ceremonies) was the hype man getting the crowd going while the DJ was the star of the show. I remember when the roles started reversing and the MC's started gaining popularity. I also remember freestyle rap battles between Puerto Ricans and African Americans. I personally wasn't an MC but a B-Boy like most of my friends and also did graffiti. I know the dynamic between Puerto Ricans and African Americans in this city. I know the true meaning of Hip-Hop culture. As for my mom, she listened to Spanish music as well as well as Motown, so that was what was playing in my home house. She came to NYC as a little girl back in the 1950's. I'm not some young kat. I have vinyl records of the Sugar Hill Gang, Grand Master Flash & the Furious 5 and a ton of other "Old School" artists. I bought them at the record shop when they first came out. I lived it "SON", I don't get my education from old school films like Wild Style, Beat Street or Krush Groove.
"While they were stealin afro-cuban music and trying to call it salsa."
This right here proves your ignorance. Salsa was a New York City Puerto Rican invention. It borrowed from Cuban Son. Props go to Cuba. Just like Reggaeton borrows from Hip-Hop, Reggae, Merengue, Salsa, Pop, etc. etc. Music is a cultural expression. You can't steel it. It is freely given. Look at Hip-Hops history of sampling. Is that stealing? I know a few artists have gotten into hot water over it but that's because they take samples off of people's copyrighted material. The first Salseros sampled Cuban Son in a sense but they didn't copy them not for note, they borrowed it's tempo and changed the overall style.
One last thing, you don't have to take my word for anything that I have mentioned above. We have computers now and google is such a wonderful tool. Do a little digging and you will find that everything I have said is true. You can start here.
http://www.umich.edu/~ac213/student_projects/lhh/images/home.html
Well...looks who's back. I guess after trumping you in the other topic you came back looking for more.
When are you just going to get it. Puerto Ricans are just as much to credit for the creation of Hip Hop as blacks are. Reggeaton is a mixture of many genres, reggea, hip hop, plena, salsa, bachata and merengue. They were brought together by none other than Puerto Ricans in the island.
I guess I can just leave elmastero to do his thing and prove how little you know.
Mrs trumpy or you got life *beep* up answer these question while your tumping me. If you can't answer them, don't write back.
What was the last Hip Hop dance originated by latins?
Is salsa afro-cuban music renamed?
Are the congos used in that muscic you call yours orginated from Africans? (You know we like our music to have drum beats)
Is that dance in the trailer breakdance from the 70's or did you originate that too?
When you wear a doo-rag, is that a latin thing also?
Since white people started Def Jam is rap originated by whites also?
Check your self before you wreck your self cause that crack your smokin is truly bad for your health.
I love the internet. Google, myspace and youtube are the greatest sites bar none.
So check it. Wild Style is a film that came out in 1983. According to IMDB.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084904/
"Legendary New York graffiti artist Lee Quinones plays the part of Zoro, the city's hottest and most elusive graffiti writer. The actual story of the movie concerns the tension between Zoro's passion for his art and his personal life, particularly his strained relationship with fellow artist Rose. But this isn't why one watches Wild Style--this movie is *the* classic hip-hop flick, full of great subway shots, breakdancing, freestyle MCing and rare footage of one of the godfathers of hip-hop, Grandmaster Flash, pulling off an awesome scratch-mix set on a pair of ancient turntables. A must-see for anyone interested in hip-hop music and culture. Written by Leon"
If one wants to see what NYC was like in the early eighties where Hip-Hop's Four Elements (MC'ing, DJ'ing, B-Boy'ing & Graffiti Art) were in full swing. This is the film to see.
There's a cool scene in the film where Cold Crush Brothers battles the Fantastic Five. They showed a clip of it in the VH1 Hip-Hop Honors. So you can see Charlie Chase (Cold Crush) as well as Prince Whipper Whip (Fantastic Five) doing their thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbLrNssZprg
Also some of the pioneers I've mentioned in my posts have myspace pages.
DJ Disco Wiz - http://www.myspace.com/djdiscowiz
DJ Charlie Chase - http://www.myspace.com/djcharliechase
Prince Whipper Whip - http://www.myspace.com/whipperwhip
Devastating Tito (Fearless Four) - http://www.myspace.com/devastatingtito
Cold Crush Brothers - http://www.myspace.com/coldcrushbrothers
On the Web
Rock Steady Crew - www.rocksteadycrew.com/
Old School Hip Hop - http://www.oldschoolhiphop.com/artists.htm
Books
From Bomba to Hip-Hop: Puerto Rican Culture and Latino Identity By Juan Flores
New York Ricans from the Hip Hop Zone By Raquel Z Rivera
Do a google book search for a sample of the books. http://books.google.com/
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It's been fun. Schools out.
I know you just now know about wild style, but have you ever seen it. Like I said before, it's black culture, and they actin like negroes. They couldn't relate to whites. Maybe they're not keen on their own culture (that's not new with latins), Alot of people like black music. It's ok. I bet you don't even remember grand master flash. I do. Keep reachin.
shareMy bad, I clicked on your reply so that my post fell last. It was meant for anyone who wants to know about the real roots of Hip-Hop. I posted a ton of artists myspace pages. These guys are still around and doing their thing. I'm sure they take questions if you have them.
As for Wild Style, Krush Groove, Beat Street, Breakin (& it's sequel) as well as the documentary Style Wars. I've seen them all before you were a sperm in your daddies scrotum. I told you, I'm not a young a kid. Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five is one of the most well known old school Hip-Hop acts. Grandmaster Flash and DJ Charlie Chase are good friends. I bet that you didn't know that Charlie adopted his current name cause it seemed to him that he was always Chasing the Flash.
As for you, you're a lost cause. You have an Etch n' Sketch head. Whenever someone tells you something you disagree with, even when they back it up with indisputable "FACTS" you shake your head no and it all gone. Amazing, you're a perfect example of the uneducated ghetto trash culture that has corrupted today's youth. My advice to you is to hit the books, get an education, drop the ebonics (you'll never get passed your first job interview unless you want to work retail your whole life) and just say no to drugs.
Finally, stop trolling internet forums. First, you're making yourself look bad. Second, you've become a representative for AA's in the eyes of many non-AA's who read these forums. Think about it. When riding on the New York subway, the cars get filled up by a wide range of people. You have many Caucasians, AA's, Latino's and other groups. Now let's say there's 20 AA's in the car & a couple of whites folks. If just one AA got up, talked loud, used profanity and became a nuisance, who do you think the white people will remember? Do you think they will remember the 19 AA's sitting down minding their own business? Of course not. They remember the loud obnoxious "black guy" who made a fool of himself. Then when they speak to their friends or family about AA's they say THEY'RE ALL loud and obnoxious. That one guy on the train became a representative for all AA's in the eyes of those few whites. Well, on this forum, you're that guy.
And with that, I'm done feeding the troll. It's been fun. To all my fellow Boricuas, Latinos and AA's, have a great week. Peace!
The one thing you got right is that Latins and whites remember the black guy who's outspoken or ignorant. Never the accolade of which we earned. (I guess hatin's in the culture.) But you will never understand a brotha like me, cause I speak the truth and don't give a s-it what you think, because when it's all said and done no matter how many degrees I have I'm a *beep* in this country. But I'm paid
I thought I told that we won't stop.
*Yawn* Check your PM. I have the perfect forum for you.
shareMan, I don't blog. I just respond to my emails. And I'm a movie goer.
shareIt's a cool forum where people talk about racial issues. I wouldn't call it a blog. I figured since you enjoy speaking about people who share your phenotype on this forum that you'd get a kick out of another forum devoted entirely to the subject. There's a lot of really good information on the site. That's why I mod there. I would have posted the link here for others but I'm not sure what the terms of service are regarding posting links to other forums. So anyone can feel free to PM me if they want the link. Anyway, thanks again for the discussion. Peace!
shareI answered ALL of your questions, including some that you mentioned in this post. Then you just stop posting.
Hip Hop originated with Puerto Ricans and Blacks together. It is neither one or the other.
Even if your right, Reggeaton is not hip hop. They are two different genres. Either ways you lose.
I know it is difficult to accept your wrong. But, how can I say this...
I'm right and your wrong. The sooner you accept it, the better it will go for you.
I don't respond because your ignorant. I'd like to see who believe the BS comming out of your mouth that is not latin.
shareI brought you tons of evidence saying that what I said is true. I can tell you of people that have done whole studies, even research projects, about how Latinos participated in the creation of Hip Hop. Even more, I put evidence of how the origins of Reggeaton and Hip Hop have different origins. Who believes what I say? A whole field of experts.
Who believes you? Other ignorant people
But since you dont seem to want to understand something basic, I'll just talk ignorant to you since its the only language you seem to understand.
I would love to see if you can put any evidence about how Reggeaton came out of hip hop, or bring any counterevidence to the evidence I put that Latinos participated in the creation of Hip Hop.
rick_enzo is right & I don't think that he was trying to "hate on HipHop" as you put it. Your comment "Your culture just copied black culture and everyone knows it but latin people. Or maybe they don't want to know" however WAS pretty hateful - but not just towards a music genre, to an entire group of people, cs98152.
And please people, read my profile before you try to come up on here & say that I'm hating on black people or whatever because I KNOW some dumba$$ is going to come on here and do that.
yes reggeaton is just plain horrible, its not even music its just noise.
shareReggaeton is for the people who want to dance, feel the heat. Its stronger than salsa but sweeter than hip hop. It`s hot :P I like it . I dance it.
The movie was not the best but I enjoyed it. I was hoping too see Daddy Yankee somewhere in the movie but that didn`t happen :|
"Reggaeton is for the people who want to dance, feel the heat."
Wow. Could you be any cornier.
I agree with the original poster. Reggaeton sucks.
"yes reggeaton is just plain horrible, its not even music its just noise."
yup, I agree... I'm a latino myself and I just HATE the music... I mean, the "artists" don't know how to use instruments, they have horrible voices, they freakin' INVENT words to use in their lyrics, and the lyrics themselves... they're normally sexist, treat women like sexual toys or just talk about how "good" they are...
it may be popular here in Peru and the rest of Latino countries, but I just plain hate the music... =S
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I like reggaeton. The types of music sampled are quite broad, from pop, salsa, bachata, merengue, tejano etc. So theirs always something I can get into. The genre comes out of Puerto Rico's club scenes and is really meant for dancing. Of course, I like some artists more than others and some songs more than others as well. It's not for everyone. But then my taste in music is quite broad. I like Reggeaton, Salsa, Bachata, General Latin, Hip-Hop (English & Spanish), R&B, Pop, Rock, Metal, Alternative, EBM-Electro, Grunge, Country and New Age music, to name a few. The only types of music I stay away from are Death Metal, House & Techno. But that's just me. To each their own.
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