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The racial construction of Puerto Rico


Many black people in this board have been angered over the fact that many Puerto Ricans and other latinos have been complaining about a black person representing them. They have even said that we are in denial over our racial construct arguing that the Caribbean is full of black people and Puerto Rico is no different. Puerto Rico has always been an exception in the caribbean when it comes african descendants. We dont deny the african influence in our culture, but we do know for a fact that blacks are a minority in Puerto Rico and most Puerto Ricans are European/Taino. That is why an african-american representing a latino has not been well recieved. U.S. popular culture has tendended to blackify us. A stereotype that we must fight against.

To clarify this controversy, here is a video that will explain it. I urge you to see it before responding to it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0SYPZA5F4Q

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I don't think U.S. culture blackifies y'all for no reason. It just associates you with the people you live around. Here in North Philly where I live the Ricans hang around more American blacks than American whites and it reflects more nationally. No different than the "hood" image being reflected by all blacks even though some of us live on farms in Nebraska. You will probably see the "North Philly" black with his ways of speech and dress more often. If more Ricans lived on farms than in cities with direct contact to blacks here in American you would get the country bumpkin image in the media, i.e. Jessica Simpson.

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What you say is true to a certain extent. However, U.S. popular culture has been blackifying us since the Spanish American War. I don't have it with me, but there are political cartoons of 1898 that portray Puerto Ricans as short, dark, naked, monkey-like people in need of Uncle Sam dressing them up. This was before Puerto Ricans began immigrating in large waves or establishing communities in the U.S. So, since the beginning of U.S. control over Puerto Rico, U.S. Culture has been blackifying us.

But I understand what you mean. U.S. Ricans have associated themselves with black culture in the U.S. and were even involved in the creation of Hip Hop in the Bronx.

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The English drew similar drawings when they where convincing English citizens not to trust the Irish around 200 years ago. The same short, dark, naked, monkey looking Neanderthal image was in their political cartoons. The picture that you allege where created by the U.S. government probably had no intention on blackifying Ricans culture wise. More to the extent probably that these "people" are dirty, unkempt and uncivilized. Which is the exact opposite of the tall, thin, WASPy image that we all aspire to have here in America. I wouldn't be surprised if the Germans had the same political propaganda images of the English prior to WWII and their both pure white.

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What's interesting about the youtube video is how badly the guy who put it up wants our people to so desperately be classified as white. He took two things that he so clearly does not understand, the dna results and the census, to back up his ill-conceived claims.

Let's discuss the dna. The tests that were done on the island were looking at Mitochondrial DNA. Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is passed down from mothers to their offspring untouched for over a hundred thousand years. Now Y chomosome DNA (Y-DNA) is inherited from the fathers line. In both cases the dna remains unchanged for many generations. So when comparing both dna's you can have a pretty good idea of your ancestry but it doesn't accurately give you a breakdown of your own racial make up. For example, if my mothers mother was caucasian but her husband was black, mtDNA will only show my caucasian grandmothers race because it's only passed down through the maternal line. If my fathers father was white but his wife was black, Y-DNA would only show my caucasian grandfathers race because it's only passed down through the paternal line. So I could actually be 50% caucasian and 50% black, yet my mtDNA and Y-DNA would only show my caucasian ancestry. So much for trying to use the taino DNA research on Puerto Rico to prove that the majority of islanders are mestizos with no african ancestry.

As for the census, one must take into account the Latin American view of white as oppose to the US view. In Latin America white is viewed similarly to how black is viewed in the US. In the US one can have a white ancestor or even one white parent and still be considered black. In Latin America you can get away with having some mixture, if you're light enough then you will be considered white. Although, in PR most people aren't as obsessed with race as Americans are. Here in the US some invoke the one drop rule. Meaning if just one part of your family tree doesn't go back to Europe then you're not white. As for Puerto Ricans choosing the white label over any other options, you just have to take a closer look at the 2000 census and compare them to the DNA tests taken on the island. The DNA tests showed that about 61% of Puerto Ricans have a Native American (taino) ancestor. Yet only about 4% of the population chose 2 or more races. So much for trying to use the census as an accurate measure of the racial make up of the islanders period.

What I can say for sure about the islanders is that the majority of them are light skinned. That's as far as I will go. Many are mixed, either biracial or triracial. Some have pure European ancestry or pure African ancestry or even pure Asian ancestry. The islanders are very diverse. But I'm not hung up on their racial make up. What's more important to me is our common culture, language and history. It's the love I have for the people and the island. A love for my family that is important. It's not about race. I'm light skinned Puerto Rican. Tego Calderon who is a brown skinned Puerto Rican is more my brother (in spirit) than any Anglo who shares my complexion.

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As for those political cartoons. You'll find this link of interest.
http://www.oah.org/pubs/magazine/1898/martinez-lesson.pdf

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I've read different stuff and I think most are a triracial mixed to varying degrees and for w/e reason(s) most will self-identify/report themselves as white or European....I think it's racially as diverse as Brazil but people have their reasons for what they Identify of report themselves as. Good post.

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whytty2g,

Whether that was their intention or not, the end result was as I explained. That's what started the blackifying image of Puerto Ricans, which exagerated the level of black people in the island.

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I have to ask you then Boricanator, why do you think out of all the Spanish colonies seized by America and depicted as black by the link elmastero1 gave us only Ricans are depicted as black by the media as you claim. What about Samoans, Filipinos, and Hawaiians? (Even though Hawaii was not a Spanish colony)

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Because many people asume that the Caribean, in general is majority black because of Jamaica, Haiti, and several of the lesser antilles, especially the first one. This was also applied to Dominicans and Cuban, although the former does have the majority of its population with black blood because it didnt go through certain historical phases Puerto Rico went through. With the Cubans I wouldn't venture to say.

Also, we did recieve black slaves, while those other places you mention didn't truly have them. In fact, most of the black slaves went to the caribbean. That is why their is very little African influence in South and Central America or Mexico, although there are some blacks.

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Very good point. But I must ask you again about the media question. I am not saying your wrong, but why do you suppose that it is just "the media" when everytime I go on to a Rican girl's or young woman's Myspace page their favorite artists are overwhelmingly black rappers and reggaeton singers? Go on Myspace and check it out. You yourself identified the influence of Ricans with rap music in the Bronx but I can honestly say that it is greater than that. It is a choice that Ricans make to behave like blacks do. I mentioned before I live in N. Philly. Philadelphia has the third largest purely Rican population by number in any city in America; around 200,000. 90% of them in North Philly. It's nothing compared to NY city proper but still only smaller than the Apple and Orlando. I can honestly say out of the hundreds of Ricans I have met and went to school with only a couple (literally two) have not said nniiggaa or not dressed in urban wear and rocked Jordans and had their haircuts like blacks do in Philly with point sideburns. So as mentioned in the beginning I must ask you, what role do Puerto Ricans in America share with their being depicted as black? I see it with my own eyes, not through a television.

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I wasn't denying your original argument that Puerto Ricans have been interacting with blacks and have taken many cultural aspects of them. It is true, that they act like them. But physically most of them are not blacks.

At the same time, you can say that about many minority groups that live in poor areas, like Asian and Indians. They tend to act that way too. I personally know several that do.

I'm merely saying that stereotyping Puerto Ricans as black started before the mentioned interaction begun.

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Forget if most Puerto Ricans consider themselves white. The main point is that black Puerto Ricans are a minority in Puerto Rico, period. Sure some people can feel dissapointed that some of the characters potrayed in movies lack black people, but that doesn't mean that they should be the prominent race that represents Puerto Ricans. Most Puerto Ricans are light skinned... wether that's considered white or not, then that's another debate. The thing is that most White-Americans are really really white... like bottle of milk white. As for skin color, you also need to consider the effects of geographical location. My whole ancestry is Irish-Spaniard, and I'm blonde... but my skin is still darker than most whites for the simple fact that I grew up in the Caribbean.

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MONKEY-LIKE PEOPLE? BLACKIFYING US?

YOU ARE AN IDIOT PLAIN AND SIMPLE. AS IF THERE IS ANYTHING SO TERRIBLE BEING ASSOCIATED WITH BLACK/AFRICAN CULTURE OR HAVING AFRICAN DESCENDANTS. YOUR SKIN COLOR DOESN'T MAKE MORE OR LESS LATINO.

YOU'RE A *beep* RACIST, HOPING TO GOD YOU ARE EUROPEAN, BECAUSE YOU THINK THEY ARE THE PRIME CUT OF RACES. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED.

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You haven't been able to dispute my claim at all. Those images were using during the U.S. invasion of PR and many years after than. That is a fact.

Who says there is anything wrong with being asociated with black culture. On the contrary, that enriches our culture.

What's wrong is that we are not represented correctly. We are a mix of primarily Indian, European, with a mix a black thrown in together. That is a fact confirmed by a lot of historians and geneticists. And you don't have to be an expert to know that Puerto Ricans are not mayority black.

Maybe you ought to educate yourself more before you go off and insult anyone.

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The plot of this movie is as follows: A BLACK KID FROM NY GETS IN TROUBLE, SO HIS BLACK MOTHER TELLS HIM SHE'S SENDING HIM TO LIVE WITH HIS PUERTO RICAN FATHER IN PUERTO RICO. The boy didn't even know his father was Puerto Rican, and as far as he was concerned, he was Black. The point you make is valid, however there are many reasons that he is Black. I can't stress that enough. If you saw the movie, you should be able to get that fact. His Puerto Rican father may have been a minority, but he was an Afro-Latino anyway. And his Black mother was a darker skinned Black woman. Mixed together, it is very possible they'd get a child that looked like Omarion. My grandfather was Afro-Latino and he had something like 7 children, some of which were lighter skinned and looked more Latino, some of which were darker skinned and looked more Black. You, as a Puerto Rican, have to agree that we DO all come in all shades. I mean, sure, most people in PR look more European or Taino, but there are Afro-Latinos there! If they're aren't, were did my grandfather come from? My family has people in it that look straight Black and some that look straight Rican, and some in between. It's very possible that Omarion would be part Puerto Rican. His mother is mixed, anyway. Not with Puerto Rican, but Black with White and Native American, which is basically the same type of mix a Puerto Rican would have.

I'm not really defending Omarion, because personally he gets on my nerves. I'm just defending their choice to hire a "Black man" for the role. It actually makes sense with the plot. Granted, I think they could've and maybe should've cast a lighter skinned Black guy, or an Afro-Latino actor to be more believable. But I mean, mixing the two actors they had as his parents, you could've came out with him. It's possible.

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If you see the video I posted, you would know that I have not denied that we all come in all shapes and sizes, nor that there are blacks in Puerto Rico. It clearly says that 20% of Puerto Ricans are black/mulatto. I posted it so blacks would understand why so many hispanics and Puerto Ricans became upset over a black guy being casted as Puerto Rican. I know the plot and I'm cool with it.

In addition, and this is the primary reason I started this topic, some have made the gruesome mistake on saying that most Puerto Ricans are black because we are part of the caribbean.

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Jeah, I understand why people whould be thrown by it at first. I was too... But then I saw the movie and it made sense. When I first heard about Omarion being cast, I was like "He don't look Puerto Rican enough for that role." But then, as you understand the plot, he actually could make sense as a half Puerto Rican. Especially after seeing the mom and dad chosen for his character.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again, the problem with casting a non-Puerto Rican actor, regardless of race, is that we're not being represented by one of our own. That's it. When we first heard the buzz about this film it was suppose to be a film about Reggaeton. It was to be the showcase for the genre. So we figured that the star in the film would be one of us. When it turned out that it wasn't, well we were a bit disappointed. It's not the first time that's happened, Carlito's Way was played by Al Pacino (an Italian) and the sequel was played by Jay Hernandez (a Mexican American). I would have liked to have seen Puerto Ricans cast in the lead but it didn't happen. Many of our people weren't too happy with the selection. And both of these actors could pass for Puerto Rican. Omarion can pass for Puerto Rican as well. Again, that's not the point. At least not my point. I'm not sure what's Boricanator's beef with the film but that's his prerogative. Let's not make this a racial issue. I like Omarion's music. I think he's okay as an actor but I thought it was a bad casting decision to have him play the lead. Not because he's black but because he isn't Puerto Rican.

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I saw the movie it was okay; different though. The social commentary on the race or culture issue is interesting. For the record I am African-American. I am a student of history, and being a decedent of African Slaves, I had to know my history. I respect elmasterol's emphasis that culture should be the focus. Elmasterol’s is right, the focus on race is, an exploration in racism. Some of the other commentators seem to exhibit manifest racial tension, with the idea of African ancestry. But I am sure they would say they are not racist. But then again how long does it take an alcoholic to realize that he is an alcoholic or someone who smokes pot to know that he is a hooked. I have read your analysis of the DNA methodology and I have read it elsewhere in historic texts regarding racial identities in various countries. However, I must admit that even as a lawyer, I didn't understand it the way you broke it down. Nonetheless, I questioned its findings, because it doesn't mesh with history. First, I mean no disrespect to those of you how identify as being Hispanic, but the inescapable fact remains that prior to the Slave Trade, there was no such thing as a Hispanic person, because the European was on the other side of the Earth and all that existed in the Caribbean were the natives. Although by that time Span had long been conquered by the Moors of Africa and reflected that, i.e. darker complexions than the rest of the Europeans. North and South America as well as the Caribbean were inhabited by Native Americans. In fact, estimates put it that prior to the commencement of any sort of slavery, there were little more than 400,000 Native American tribes in the Caribbean. Under the conditions of slavery and the contracting of diseases from the Europeans, the natives died quickly, which necessitated the impetus of the African Slave Trade became in demand. Using basic logic, Christopher Columbus and his cohorts intended to enslave the Native American, i.e. the Taino Indians, but that turned out to be a bad idea, because they died off too rapidly to use them as sustained labor. And I am quite sure that those that remained fled into the more rural and harder to reach terrain for freedom. Thus, the primary persons in the Caribbean, North American, and substantial portions of South American was the minority European enslavers (Spanish, French, Portuguese and British) seeking to make a profit for the kingdom and in the mean time, to get a little of that African stuff for pleasure. Moreover, contrary to popular opinion the African Slave trade was huge not only in the Caribbean, but also in South and eventually North America. The Difference is that a few countries in South America, which is much larger than the Caribbean, were able to maintain much more of their native culture. But many South American Countries were substantially affected by the African Slave Trade, i.e. Brazil.
In essence, trying to estimate how many persons on the island of Puerto Rico are of African descent, is likely to be influenced by your perception as to who you view black and white. As my Cuban colleague, who says that he is of mixed decent (which he looks), states that Hispanic are taught to shun their ancestral blackness as a matter of culture. As my Cuban colleague enlightened me, Hispanics are taught to "whiten up the race." So often times the great emphasis placed upon proving how much blackness is on the particular Spanish island is often signs of a much deeper personal issue whereby many Spanish people have disdain for their black ancestors. This is not a personal attack on my part. The U.S. Government has researched this issue to a great extent and if you go to www.countrystudies.us (the source of which is the U.S. Library of Congress), there you will find studies on many countries, including Hispanic countries in the government’s study of the Dominican Republic it writes, “Dominicans traditionally preferred to think of themselves as descendants of the island's Indians and the Spanish, ignoring their African heritage. Thus, phenotypical African characteristics were disparaged. Emigrants to the United States brought a new level of racial consciousness to the republic, however, when they returned. Those who came back during the 1960s and the 1970s had experienced both racial prejudice and the black pride movement in North America. Returning migrants brought back Afro hairstyles and a variety of other Afro-North Americanisms.” So, any focus on whether the character in this move is black, without any reference to culture, is probably more in the likeness of some racial tension within one’s self, because elmasterol's is right focus on race is obscure, ambiguous and probably about something other than what is being stated.

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Damn you guys are dropping some serious knowledge in this thread. As far as the media "blackening" Puerto Ricans though.....They pretty much do it to themselves. Like one poster said before me, I've never met a Puerto Rican that didn't identify themselves with black/urban culture. In my experience I've run into quite a number of Puerto Rican/Dominican girls that pretty much only identify with/date black men. Even their brothers/cousins identified themselves as ni@@a's and use the word freely.

Puerto Ricans (at least the ones stateside) are pretty much black when it comes down to it. Thats why no one complains when Fat Joe/Big Pun/Daddy Yankee/Noreaga say the word ni@@a in their songs. Thats why its damn near as many black people out for the Puerto Rican day parade as it is Ricans. Thats why we all party at the same clubs. We're all one, no need to try and distance yourself. I'm not saying lose your culture but there's no need to show disdain for the black part of your heritage be it direct or indirect. I know when I used to be with my Rican girl's family I damn near felt Puerto Rican the way they treated me.

But at the end of the day I agree....it would be nice to see a Puerto Rican play a Puerto Rican.

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cjayrc,

The problem is that you are mixing U.S. Ricans (aka Newyoricans) with island Puerto Ricans. I'm pretty sure all of the Puerto Ricans you meet and act that way are U.S. born.

The fact of the matter is, most of the Puerto Ricans in the island do not identify with black/urban culture or even U.S. Ricans at all. What we have done is integrated things that look "cool" in the U.S. in our daily lives. Some dress urban, others dress more like white people...ect.

You would hardly ever see an Island Rican using the "n" word. Personally, I never use it because I think it would be inappropiate.

Fat Joe and Big Pun were born in the U.S., specifically the Bronx were Hip Hop originated. U.S. Ricans were highly involved in the creation of Hip Hop.

I have no recollection of Daddy Yankee or Noreaga saying the "n" word. They use some words and phrases in English, but mostly they are singing/rapping in Spanish with Puerto Rican slangs from the Island.

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I'm pretty sure I've heard Daddy Yankee say ni@@a before, but I could be wrong. As for Noreaga that is a definte. He says it all day everyday since he first came out. (listening to him right now) Ask around most people thought he was black when they first saw him in a video. I know some people who were decent fans of his and didn't know he was any kind of hispanic until he started jumping on a bunch of Reggaeton songs with Don Omar and the like.

I see where your coming from though. I cant say I know many/if any island Puerto Ricans. Except for say these girl's parents on some occasions and yeah they are definetly not urban.

Lets just say its not so much a deal of the media "blackening" Puerto Ricans but more of the media not representing the Puerto Rican experience outside of the U.S.? How about that?

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Lets just say its not so much a deal of the media "blackening" Puerto Ricans but more of the media not representing the Puerto Rican experience outside of the U.S.? How about that?


jejeje...okay, I can live with that.

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Mastero,

I have not beef with this movie. I care little for it as it is. Since you have been in these blogs for a while, you would know a lot of ignorant comments about Puerto Ricans have been made in the past months. I post this merely to clarify those misconceptions. Nothing more.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again... I understand why it would throw you... but the character didn't even know he was Puerto Rican until his mom was sending him to the island. Also, Giancarlo Esposito isn't even Latino. He's Italian and Black. Yet, everyone says something about Omarion and not him. Also, the guy that plays Omarion's step-brother isn't Puerto Rican either. So, if you're going to argue about it not being about the fact that O is Black, then you better fuss about those other two actors as well.

The only thing I agree with is that Omarion is very brown, and they could've cast a more Puerto Rican looking guy for the role. But not that "he's not Puerto Rican so he shouldn't play a Puerto Rican." I'm sorry, that's just not how Hollywood works. They cast you by how well you can look and/or sound like the race or nationality they need. Not by if you truly are that nationality. IMO, I think that a better person for this role would've been Rick Gonzalez, since he could easily pass for biracial (and since he's Afro-Latino anyway.) Or, if they wanted a more Black looking kid Juelz Santana or if he was older Julito McCullum. But the whole "it's because he is not Puerto Rican" line is BS. It's because he's Black. There are at least three actors in this movie that aren't Puerto Rican, and you single Omarion out. Now, if you want to argue that he's not talented, I agree. But not because "He's not Puerto Rican."

Argh, this argument is stupid. Watch the movie... the casting makes sense. Except for the fact that O can't rap or act.. but he DOES look like he could be the parental actors' child.

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What is more puerto rican looking? More white looking? lol

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why even argue over it? this movie is Garbage anyway.

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wasn't Omarion playing a HALF puerto rican? He was half black and half purto rican. O

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Most self-identify as European/White.

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What's interesting to me is how when it comes down to the race argument, no one wants to be black. Until it comes to hip-hop or using the word *beep* many people will disassociate themselves from black people. Let's discuss.

I am black and cuban. My mother is straight from Cuba. She's a brown skinned woman with long flowing hair. Now, when you look at my mother, you'd never guess that she's of Spanish decent. Because she looks like a black woman. And essentially, she is just that: a black woman who can speak spanish. My mother is Afro-Cuban. Even in Cuba, where there are many darker-skinned citizens, it is a negative thing to be dark or considered black. My own grandmother didn't want my mother to marry my father because he's black.

Slavery and the colonization of many Caribbean Islands contributed to the mixed ancestory. Yes, there are Cubans and Puerto Ricans that are mixed with European blood. But there are also a great number that are mixed with African blood. And being that the majority of this happened within the same time period I think it's disrespectful to black people for their own people to say, we are not apart of you. We are not black. Now, I understand it is frustrating to be labeled as something that you're not. My mother hates to be called Puerto Rican, not because she doesn't like Puerto Ricans, but because people are so ignorant that they never take the time to know there's a difference between the two. But being that African blood does run through both of these cultures, I find it so disheartening, and funny at times, that they will go to great lengths to prove they are not black. But you'll embrace the European side of your culture in a hurry. Funny.

For one, white people have persecuted every race on this planet. Unless you were white you were treated as a second class citizen. They've treated every culture with disdain. But black people are the ones you try to distance yourself from. That's interesting. Second, when it comes down to it, white people know who's white and who's not. SO why try to alienate yourself from a people who do nothing but try to welcome you?

Puerto Ricans walk around all day shouting the word *beep* out on the street or in songs. If you're not black then why are you using a word that does not correspond to your history? If you're not a *beep* then why do you want to use a word that's offensive to a group of people you don't belong to? Spare me that the meaning has changed BS. *beep* was a word used to degrade slaves. African people. And if you're not black, why would you want to associate yourself with that?

I think it just so hurtful, disrespectful, and utterly absurd when Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Dominicans, etc. try so hard to prove they are not black. And when it comes down to it, in the end, you won't be considered anything else. Sad to say, unless some freak change in our system comes about, white people will always be in control. And they know what you aren't. And that's white.

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The heiress THANK YOU SOOOOOOOOOO MUCH 4 THIS POST! I 100% TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY AGREE WITH U. ITS LIKE NO ONE WANTS TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH BEING BLACK OR HAVING ANY TYPE OF AFRICAN LINK TO THEM LIKE THE COMEDIAN PAUL MOONEY SAID" EVERYONE WANTS TO BE A NI%%A, BUT NOBODY WANTS TO BE A NI$$A! AND IT IS THE TRUTH! I HAVE DOMINICAN AND PUERTO RICAN FRIENDS AND AT TIMES I WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN KNOWN THEY HAD AN OUNCE OF THE HERITAGE IN THEIR BLOOD IF THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TOLD ME! THEY DATE, DRESS, AND IDENTIFY WITH BLACK/URBAN CULTURE. AND ESPECIALLY IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WHAT EVER U LOOK LIKE THATS WHAT U ARE ASSOCIATED WITH! EVEN VANESSA L. WILLIAMS WHO IS BI-RACIAL SAID THAT! WHAT U LOOK LIKE IS HOW WHITE AMERICA PERCEIVES U! AND I'M NOT TELLING ANYONE TO STEP AWAY AND DENY OR NOT TO EMBRACE THEIR OWN CULTURE, BUT LETS BE REAL PPL, JUST FOR A MINUTE! I SEE IT ALL THE TIME ON POSTS OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN ENTERTAINERS AND ACTORS, PPL ON THE MESSAGE BOARDS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THEY R REALLY BLACK OR NOT LIKE THEY ARE SO BEAUTIFUL THAT THEY JUST CAN'T BE BLACK THEY HAVE TO BE MIXED OR LINKED WITH SOMETHING ELSE IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE A CERTAIN LOOK IT IS ABSURD! bUT ITS FUNNY BECAUSE NO ONE EVER QUESTIONS THE WHITE ACTOR'S HERITAGE! AND DIDN'T J-LO PRODUCE OR DIRECT THE FILM? SO THAT MEANS SHE MUST NOT HAVE HAD TOO MUCH OF A PROBLEM WITH IT OR THE PREMISE! I REMEMBER WHEN SHE RECEIVED ALOT OF FLACK A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN SHE USED THE WORD NI%$A IN A SONG, BUT I WASN'T EVEN TRIPPIN', AND SHE DATED PUFFY(DIDDY) SO THAT MEANS SHE HAD BLACK IN HER IN MORE WAYZ THAN ONE! AND LIKE ANOTHER POSTER STATED IF U LOOK AT MANY MOVIES MANY ACTORS AND ACTRESSES PLAY CERTAIN NATIONALITIES AND RACES WHEN IN REALITY IT IS NOT THEIR HERITAGE BUT THAT'S HOLLYWOOD PPL! GET OVER IT! THE AFRICAN DIASPORA IS SPREAD ALL OVER THE WORLD! MIXED ANCESTRY IS APART OF MANY ETHNICITIES WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT! LIKE SPIKE LEE SAID ALL BLACK PPL ARE BI-RACIAL! AND PPL OF AFRICAN DESCENT DO NOT JUST EXIST AMERICA, AFRICA, AND THE ISLANDS! MIXED ANCESTRY IS EVERYWHERE A LARGE PART IS DUE TO SLAVERY, BUT I'M SORRY PPL U CAN;T EMBRACE BLACK CULTURE WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT FOR U! THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS BEING A CERTAIN ANCESTRY PART TIME! BUT THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT, NO ONE WANTS TO BE BLACK. PPL RATHER ASSOCIATE THEMSELVES WITH BEING RELATED TO ANYTHING ELSE THAN EMBRACE WHATS CLEAR AND TRANSLUSCENT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THERE EYES!THIS IS HOW A COVO MIGHT GO BETWEEN TWO PPL

"ISN'T YOUR MOTHER A GOAT?
"YES"
"AND ISN'T YOUR FATHER BLACK"

"NO!!!!!!!!!!!!AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


BUT DON'T TELL ME THAT THE PREMISE FOR THIS MOVIE WAS INSULTING OR A SLAP IN THE FACE BECAUSE IT IS LOGICAL AND POSSIBLE! I SEE AFRO-LATINOS ALL THE TIME, AND JUST LIKE EUROPEAN BLOOD RUNS THROUGH MANY CULTURES AFRICAN DOES AS WELL!!!!!!!!

I'M OUT, DEUCES.

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The heiress,

Puerto Ricans do not, I repeat, do no deny the the african heritage in our blood. Every PR child is taught in school how we are a product of mixing of African, European and Taino.

The problem is that you asume that because we dispute that we are a mayority black people we are saying we are white. That may be true for some people in denial, but its not true for most. We come in all shapes and sizes and we realize that.

We are not trying to prove that we are not black. Blacks only make 20% of the population. That's a given. Most of us don't pass for black at all. It only happens to those raised in U.S. ghettos that act black and then are confused. Race is a matter of perception and different elements factor in those perceptions.

Since pigmentation is a matter of perception, what's white in the U.S., may not be white in Latin American countries. The same goes with diferente races and it affects social and racial stratification in those countries.

Aside for those that are in denial about the tree way heritage, we want to be recognized for exactly what we are. Nothing more, nothing less.

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I'm not assuming anything. This is what I'm told by Puerto Ricans. The majority I have come across have always said, "I'm not black." I am very aware of the racial construction of hispanics being that I am half cuban and half black. But like I stated in my post, people are very quick to deny their African heritage and embrace the European aspect of their race or the Taino. Yes, many of us do NOT look black. I don't look black and I'm half black. But that doesn't mean you don't have that blood in you.

I don't really care about the racial make up of the population. That's trivial. I'm talking about what I've been told from others who say directly they are not black. And it always amazes me to hear that.

I'm a little confused as to what "acting black" is. I hear this term a lot and I don't know if I should be offended, angry, etc. Maybe you can clarify what that is.

Race is a matter of perception. But like I said before, white people know who's white and who's not.

But to each their own. If one doesn't want to represent that side of you, so be it. I just find it amusing and sad, at the same time.

"They say I talk with so much emphasis. Oooooo they so sensitive."

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Aside from internal racism that exists among latinos there is also the fact that 3/5 Puerto Ricans have European or Taino blood, while the african is 20%. That may explain why they embrace their European heritage more. There are also cultural things like the catholic church, the use of the Spanish language that form a bigger part of their lives than many aspects of african culture. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm talking about level of culture, not that we have one culture and not have the other. It is really hard for Puerto Ricans to give the same importance to the African heritage, when there are more things in our daily lives that identify us with Europe, at least P.R. in Puerto Rico.

To my understanding, "acting black" refers to ghetto culture, speaking like your from the hood, dressing like your from there, identifying with hip hop cultural...ect. Fat Joe is a good example of that. Big Pun too. Lloyd Banks, who is half Puerto Rican and half black, is another.

You don't need to be angry about that. A lot of black people use that term too. They even invert it and say that some minority "act white".

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I understand. I just always find it very sad to hear things like that. My mother is Afro-cuban so I know the internal forms of racism in Cuba. It's disheartening.

Yea, I never understood the whole "acting black" term. This whole ghetto things always throws me for a loop. As if the only people in the hood are black. I know black people say it too, but, I guess that's why a lot of people think "hood" culture means black culture. The same goes for "acting white". Never understood that one either. But this one is more amusing to me because as I understand it "acting white" entails speaking proper English when you speak or type among other things. It's funny how having a grasp of the English language means you're "acting white" and being from the "hood" means you're "acting black". Very interesting.

The example of Fat Joe is perfect. That was my original point. Hispanic people that don't consider themselves to be black, but somehow think it's ok to throw the word ni@@a around. That's exactly why I said hispanic people don't want to be black until it comes to hip-hop and the n word. Then all the sudden, they're down. I don't care for Fat Joe, so whatever. But I can say Lloyd Banks can be excused from that since he is black.

"They say I talk with so much emphasis. Oooooo they so sensitive."

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First off, I don't think ANYONE should be using the N word. Either that, or it should be fair game to everyone. I'm sick and tired of hearing people "claim what's rightfully theirs". Shutup....that's bullsh!t.

I would be able to understand where the OP came from, if he hadn't been so adamant on determining that the lead role could not possibly be a good representation of a Puerto Rican, or half Puerto Rican, which was the case. Is it or is it not really about a black or white thing? Or is it about Omarion not having any real Puerto Rican in him what so ever?

I guess I'm trying to determine if the problem was that Omarion is not Puerto Rican or the fact that he's black. If you had an Afro-Puerto Rican playing the role, would you have cared as much?

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No, non-black people need not use the word because you were never called the word to begin with. I'm not saying you directly because I don't know what race you are. It's not bullsh*t because if you're not black that word means absolutely NOTHING to you because it was never said to you in a derogatory manner. So you shut up.

"Haven't you heard of the Emancipation Proclamation?"
"I don't listen to hip-hop."

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I'm black and No ONe, including blacks should be saying it. We can't sit their and whine about unfair treatment and then turn around and tell someone what they can and can not say because of their skin color. That's complete BS.

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It is not the fact that black people are a minority in Puerto Rico, its that the black man representing Puerto Rico is NOT Puerto Rican.

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