Anybody got a hard drive?


Anybody on this thread familiar with computers? A hard drive has a finite amount of space. If you want to store a large amount of data you need to buy an extra hard drive.

Well the human brain weighs about 3 pounds and is mostly water. As amazing an organ as it is there is no way that it could store an infinite amount of information.

A person living that long would run into logistical problems where his brain would run out of storage room. He would start forgetting what his profession had been 2000 years ago for example, even if he held the job for 20 years, or he would forget the name of his five hundred and seventy fifth wife.

He might become a master of the oriental game of go 3000 years ago when it was a new game and if he went a few thousand years without playing he would not even remember what the rules were.

I am an American who speaks and writes (obviously) in English. If I suddenly was put in an environment where nobody else spoke English AND became immortal (maybe if I moved to that planet from the movie Star Trek Insurrection) would I remember how to speak English 10,000 years from now? Probably not.

The brain of the main character would lose vast amounts of information. Entire centuries of his life would become a blur.

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Are you just commenting or judging the film?

The character did explain early on that he cannot remember everything he has seen, he just remembers the high points in his life. I do not remember my complete childhood, but i can remember playing with certain toys, opening presents. It's just images of certain points in my childhood. Things that happened withing a decade, i can remember in movie form.

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It is not a criticism of the movie I was just analyzing some of the strange things that would happen with near immortality.

I saw a video on youtube about immortality and one of the problems is over time you accumulate scars, I only have a few but I am only 41 years old. In the youtube video they showed an immortal person gradually accumulating more scars until eventually their entire body was scar tissue.

The only way out of this would be if he had some kind of "healing factor" like Wolverine in X men. We get little scars in life and they are permanent but life is so short that unless you have a major calamity or a very rough life you will die long before you have very many scars. 14,000 years would turn the entire body into one huge scar. Even if you did not age or aged at a hyper slow rate you would have to be extremely lucky and careful to avoid the scars. I think the character should have been written with some kind of "healing factor". For example when people thought he was making up a crazy story he could take a knife and cut a big slit in his arm down to the bone then say "in two days there will not even be a scar on my arm" or something.

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He mentions a couple times that he does not scar. I don't think he was that intent on convincing them, just wanted to test their reactions.

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He does imply that he pretty much forgets each scholarly field after he masters it, because he can't come close to keeping up. He's not portrayed in the movie as being Wikipedia on legs.

As far as autobiographic memory: first, there are people who essentially remember every moment of their lives, suggesting a much larger capacity for autobiographic memory than we would otherwise guess. It actually seems to be a flaw in the erasing process, and there's reason to believe that there are serious drawbacks associated with remembering tons of trivial stuff.

Personally, I'm 60, and if conversations with friends (mostly real smart friends, in fact) can be trusted, I have a tremendous autobiographic memory. I used various sources to compile a list of all the movies I think I've ever seen, and I have specific memories of seeing at least several hundred -- which theater, who I was with, and so on. And then there are concerts, meals, ... if I tried to write an autobiography and included everything I remembered, I could probably fill many volumes.

I had a great-aunt (by marriage, so no shared genes) whose autobiographic memory was astonishing. In her mid-90's she was still telling detailed, relevant stories from across her entire life going back to her teens, and none were stories we'd heard before. (Alas, they were never hugely interesting! We'd be talking, say, about a recent wedding, and a feature of that would remind her of one she had been to in her 30's, and she'd tell us the merely somewhat interesting story, in vivid detail ... but it was cool to see her do it at all.)

As you can see from my movie example and from my aunt, people are capable of remembering an amazing amount of stuff that is of trivial importance. It's remembered because it had emotional resonance. I would think that 95% of what I remember could be erased without starting to get at core memories that define my life story and define who I think I am. It could be higher than that.

So I don't find the 40,000 years of memory problem to be a deal-breaker.

And who says he hasn't kept a journal?

Prepare your minds for a new scale of physical, scientific values, gentlemen.

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I agree and he specifically addresses that in his tale.

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In the movie he explains multiple times how he can't remember much that he has learned throughout the 14000 years, and even asks his friends how much they remember from their childhood or a decade ago, to underline his situation.

He also states that he never scars, which might explain his healing process not just on the outside but also his brain cells and organs.

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This assumption is based on the guy being normal, which he clearly is not.

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