Anyone understand the ending? - War (2007) Discussion

[–] squala 16 years ago

Spoiler warning!!!

Crawford turns out to be working underground and hinted at his partner's whereabouts to the gang. The gang told him they would only rough up Tom but it turns out they attempted to have him and his family killed. The original Rogue was successful in murdering his wife and daughter, but he was able to fight back after being shot in the face, ending up killing Rogue. Tom went to Rogue's car and saw a load of cash. From there, he assumes the assassin's identity and had his face changed to what is possibly similar to Rogue. Crawford is made to believe Rogue was still out there and wanted to exact revenge for killing his friend. The current Rogue finally reveals his true identity to Crawford, and the latter apologizes for betraying him somehow. Crawford was shot, presumably dead, while Rogue flees and apparently went on to continue his assassin work.

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[–] tanle666 15 years ago

I say the movie was A class UNTIL the last 10 minutes, that last twist was unneccessary and stupid. basically the writer and director couldnt find a way for jason and jetli to clash so they put in a last second input into the movie. furthermore it is the shortest and stupidest clash ever. bang it over -_-;;; sigh. they should just ended the movie right after the yakuza boss died

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[–] lotusburg 15 years ago

Crawford wasn't working undercover - he was in Shiro's pay, and hating it. He tried to protect/obstruct partner Tom before he shot Shiro's assassin, Rogue, who returns to kill Tom & family. Tom survives, takes Rogue's identity so as to revenge himself on Rogue's boss.
The final scene was necessary to explain the bizarre betrayals of Rogue/Tom. Once Crawford realises that Tom, the partner he betrayed, is alive, C. tries to halt Goi's killing T. Tom/Rogue shoots C. saying 'Tom Lone is dead' - meaning w/o his wife & child and C's friendship. He escapes in R's car 'to make a new life", as he wrote to Chang's wife and Shiro's daughter.

Interesting bits from Kurosawa's Yojimbo: The 'ronin' (masterless samurai - 'I have no master') playing off both gangs against each other; the dog returning to its master carrying a grenade - not a severed hand; the discovery and punishment of the assassin (tho R. metes out the punishment).

Unusual for Statham cast as a baddie, Li a goodie. A little too messy plot-wise.

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[–] raythorne2005 11 years ago

That's why it was a good twist, though!

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[–] ThaDogg 16 years ago

A 6 year old could make a better ending.

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[–] doctorwho123 15 years ago

yeah. it's like they ran out of money and were just like: "crap, i guess we'll end it here!" it was an ok movie, until the end

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[–] contact-282 15 years ago

Who cares, it's just the movie.

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[–] kairingler 15 years ago

even though i did like the movie very much,, seems like theres just maybe 1 too many twists in it,, have to go back and watch it again to pick up everything i missed the first time.

are you going to bark all day little doggie,, or are you going to bite

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[–] Bill1936 15 years ago

I'm less than halfway through, and don't understand the start! Maybe because the dialogue is fuzzy and mumbled throughout. Can't actors articulate any more?

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[–] capt_rhodes 15 years ago

This is one of those last-second endings where the writers felt like they needed to make a strong "WAOH" plot twist, and ended up effing it all up completely. I'd much rather if Jason just killed Rogue and ended it, rather than the cokamemie BS finale of Rogue getting away.

If your enemy refuses to be humbled....DESTROY HIM!

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[–] angel-591 15 years ago

Just watched it. Loved the twist at the end. The inconsistencies were unbelievable however.

- No explanation as to why Li's character was a martial arts superman
- surgery can change your voice but your accent as well?
- The execution at the end was a mess. Why didn't the sniper shoot Li? Was the other fellah dead? Was that actually him or a double lying on the ground with his back to the camera because Jason decided he'd had enough and gone on holidays

The explanation was simple. They ran out of footage and cobbled it together.

Pity it seemed like a pretty good Yakuza/Triad flick until the final 5 minutes and then became a complete bewildering load of tosh. It stinks of something like producer interference, star problems or just plain old money.

Bizarrely I think the questions posed at the very end were worth the whole file! It's like going to a restaurant with lousey service and poor food and then getting a major kick out of complaining with your friends over a few beers afterwards

"THE ONLY THING THAT FOLLOWS MAN THROUGH HISTORY IS THE SCREAM"

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[–] raythorne2005 11 years ago

Crawford knew the Goi was going to Snipe Tom/Rogue, so he went in front of the bullet and saved his old partner.

Were you guys watching the same movie as me? The ending was great.

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[–] kate-moore-423-150916 10 years ago

The ending was a complete mess. We saw the same ending, you obviously didn't pay as much attention as you thought. The scene plays like this:

Tom stands over Crawford, gun drawn.
Tom says, Tom is dead, he is now Rogue.
We see the Sniper laser moves over Rogue
Crawford jumps up and stands directly in front of Rogue, obstructing the sniper's shot of Rogue don't shoot kinda gesticulation,
Then the director apparently says "Well I'm done here." and leaves the set.
They then piece together a shot of Crawford rolling on the ground after being shot in the back somehow by Rogue
Cue shot of Rogue standing over him with a smoking gun.
Jump to new scene where we see a car commercial for that silver car again.
Roll Credits.

I guess what you thought you saw was Crawford taking a bullet for Tom? Yes, that would have made more sense.

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[–] raythorne2005 10 years ago

Meh, it was so long ago that I have to stand by what I thought was right, and what the director was going for because it makes the best sense. Perhaps the shooting went wrong and they attempted to fix it in editing, or vice versa. Doesn't make much difference to me, great ending.

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[–] Jaden99 8 years ago

But I don't get why Tom/Rogue was pulling his gun out on his old friend? I don't get that part.

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[–] vulvay 15 years ago

The Ending was great. Nice Twist. Remember the beginning szene: Jason wants to hold back his partner..It all make sense. :)

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[–] bullett-time 15 years ago

have not the slightest clue what you are talking about.
could you please be a bit more precise?

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[–] raythorne2005 11 years ago

Crawford working for the Yakuzas....

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[–] raythorne2005 11 years ago

Are you guys just stupid or what?? How could you not understand the twists! I swear the average IQ is dropping.

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[–] vanglak 15 years ago

Fake Rogue killed Crawford because he had his family killed so he doesn't give a *beep* if Crawford lives or dies. He just wanted to end both gangs and even the cops. He's an anti-hero.

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[–] klint_eastwood 14 years ago

yea, just saw this movie last night..and it was ok..until the end..jesus that was retarded...it was just like twist! bang!, dead, driving away, over

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[–] Indydan13 14 years ago

I liked the idea that Crawford was working with the Yakuza and is now trying to atone for that, but making Rogue be "the parter who everyone thought was dead and is trying to take out both gangs" was just plain stupid.

That's my belief and I'm sticking to it.

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[–] Leveticus 13 years ago

I loved War especially because of the first twist. Never saw it coming! I didn't even mind the second twist with Crawford being crooked (you knew there had to be a catch / flaw with him), but the way it ended totally pissed me off!

Okay, so Tom is mad that Crawford betrayed him and got his family killed so its justifiable that he would want revenge.

However, the film was initially about Crawford going after Rogue for killing Tom and he winds up getting shot by his buddy instead even after after apologizing and trying to atone for what he did wrong by stopping the sniper, which clearly showed he still cared about Tom.

The ending sucked. It would've been more poetic had Crawford sacrificed his life to make up for what happened to The Lones by taking the bullet meant for Tom.

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[–] seth_21 12 years ago

You were supposed to understand who he was way before the last 5 minutes . Something was definitely wrong when he refused to kill the triads wife and kid .

The real rogue would never have hesitated to kill them .You don t kill a wife and daughter in front of the father/husband and then later refuse to do it again thus risking his own life by doing so .

So sad that some of you let a 5 min ending ruin the whole movie .

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[–] raythorne2005 11 years ago

You are just stupid. You could know Rogue was Tom from the beginning. My whole family did! There is just no excuse no one else couldn't have.

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[–] raythorne2005 11 years ago

> It would've been more poetic had Crawford sacrificed his life to make up for what happened to The Lones by taking the bullet meant for Tom.

That's what happened though! What movie were you guys watching/

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[–] tmhayes83 9 years ago

I agree w/ your statement about the ending. It didn't sit well with me that throughout the entire movie, Jet Li's character, Tom Lone, had the discipline and will to avenge his family, just to give up that identity at the end and call himself Rogue. Also Jason Statham's character got the raw end by being killed from his best friend. The fact that his partner's family was brutally murdered b/c of his betrayal ate away at him this entire time, quite possibly being the reason that his own marriage ended. Jason Statham was just a good guy that made bad decisions. He truly believed that his partner was only going to be thrown a beating, not killed, when Statham gave the info to Shiro. When he realized that Jet Li was in fact Tom Lone and not Rogue, the writers should've allowed his character to redeem himself by taking the bullet for Jet Li, and also allowed Jet Li to forgive him. The worst part was when Tom Lone referred to himself as Rogue. It felt as if every action he performed in avenging his family ended up being for nothing, b/c in the end, Tom Lone lost himself which means his love for his family wasn't enough to keep him good. Also it would've been nice to see a decent brawl between Li & Statham...

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[–] raythorne2005 11 years ago

Goi killed (or maybe not killed, but just shot) Crawford! Not Rogue/Tom! Crawford knew Goi was going to snipe and saved him! It was a great ending, I can't believe you morons don't understand it

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[–] fiore2 11 years ago

People are DUMB today, don't you know LOL

It's why Hollywood keeps releasing TRASH.

This movie was solid.

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[–] raythorne2005 11 years ago

Sad but true.

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[–] agilisone 9 years ago

Sorry but you really should not insult others by calling them morons especially when you, yourself, are incorrect.

Goi does not shoot Crawford. He never pulls the trigger.

Crawford stops Goi from shooting him because Crawford, responsible for Tom's family's death, does not want to be responsible for Tom's death.

Tom shoots Crawford and presumely kills him because Tom is dead. Meaning there is nothing left of Tom, and the person he has become would never forgive Crawford.

Don't call people morons.

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[–] raythorne2005 9 years ago

Goi killed (or maybe not killed, but just shot) Crawford! Not Rogue/Tom! Crawford knew Goi was going to snipe and saved him! It was a great ending, I can't believe you morons don't understand it.

The movie was solid and had an awesome ending.

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[–] agilisone 9 years ago

You are obviously the moron and a troll. So you are a blind troll, the worst. Least you know how to use copy and paste, guess you were too lazy to type out a new response, you instead had to copy & paste an old one.

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[–] raythorne2005 9 years ago

Nothing's changed. I'm right and you're wrong. I can't help if you are too blind to watch a movie in detail.

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[–] agilisone 9 years ago

Put up or Shut up: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_SiQWpt5vY0

2:04:40 ... You will see muzzle flash from Jet Li's pistol.

Screen Shot 1:
http://s17.postimg.org/3ylnlh1tb/Screen_Shot_2015_03_15_at_10_54_20_PM.png

Screen Shot 2:
http://s18.postimg.org/lh5hnicll/Screen_Shot_2015_03_15_at_10_53_49_PM.png

Tom Lone shoots Crawford.

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[–] raythorne2005 9 years ago

You will see muzzle flash from Jet Li's pistol.

As others on this thread have said, this was a clear editing mistake. You can see Crawford jump up to save Tom from Goi, then all of a sudden Crawford is back down on the ground and Tom is shooting, not from an angle of where Crawford was when he was saving Tom.

Mistakes are made all the time, especially in movies like this, deal with it. Goi was meant to have shot Crawford. Crawford sacrificed his life to save his old partner.

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[–] agilisone 9 years ago

Okay, I will apologize for calling you a moron. I will concede and agree with you that it is an editing mistake. However, many sites state that Tom Lone shot Crawford:

MovieMistakes:
http://www.moviemistakes.com/film6951/ending

Wikipedia:

Crawford begs Lone for forgiveness, but Lone denies him, coldly replying "Tom Lone is dead, my name is Rogue". As Rogue takes out a gun to shoot Crawford, Goi takes aim at him. Crawford jumps in Goi's line of fire, allowing Rogue the opportunity to shoot him in the back. Sometime later, Rogue/Lone later drives out of town to start a new life

I found many others as well.

I personally do not think Goi shot Crawford & prefer it that way because Goi is a professional Marksman and would not take that shot. Also, it makes the statement by Lone much more believable when he says "Tom Lone is dead."

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[–] raythorne2005 9 years ago

Aww, I accept the olive branch and apologize to you too. It's much better to be happy than to be angry. =)

I agree that it can be interpreted the other way too. Maybe the editing mistake had a purpose after all, so that we can all have our own interpretations. Would you want the hero of the story to be a bad guy, making him a sort of anti-hero? I don't like this, especially when we see Tom/Rogue trying to be good and not killing innocents. Crawford, while not innocent, was not a bad guy by the end either. While clichéd, Crawford sacrificing his life to atone for his sins is a powerful to me. Just like even professional drivers can run over someone if they jump in the car's way, a professional marksman can accidentally shoot something if they make a sudden movement between the brain giving the signal to press in your finger to shoot the gun.

As others said, I think they ran out of budget or film. It would have been nice if it happened this way: "Tom Lone is dead." Rogue goes to shoot Crawford at the same time Crawford jumps up to save Tom. Tom realizes what happens with a somewhat shocking expression, and thinks about it maybe at a later time after escaping Goi, leaving the viewer to wonder what path he chose in the end, to continue being an assassin or being a good guy. At the time he was going to kill Crawford because Tom Lone is dead, but after seeing Crawford's unselfish action he may have second guesses.

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[–] agilisone 9 years ago

I agree and thank you.

I can appreciate & respect your perspective as well. I feel like once Crawford told Tom the truth, it was all Tom needed to kill off any remnants of himself, and become Rogue fully, and him shooting Crawford is a symbol for the death of Tom.

But with your perspective, it allows Tom Lone to comtinue to be the good guy, which I'm okay with.

Thanks for the conversation!

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[–] raythorne2005 9 years ago

Aww, I accept the olive branch and apologize to you too. It's much better to be happy than to be angry. =)

I agree that it can be interpreted the other way too. Maybe the editing mistake had a purpose after all, so that we can all have our own interpretations. Would you want the hero of the story to be a bad guy, making him a sort of anti-hero? I don't like this, especially when we see Tom/Rogue trying to be good and not killing innocents. Crawford, while not innocent, was not a bad guy by the end either. While clichéd, Crawford sacrificing his life to atone for his sins is powerful to me. Just like even professional drivers can run over someone if they jump in the car's way, a professional marksman can accidentally shoot something if they make a sudden movement between the brain giving the signal to press in your finger to shoot the gun.

As others said, I think they ran out of budget or film. It would have been nice if it happened this way: "Tom Lone is dead." Rogue goes to shoot Crawford at the same time Crawford jumps up to save Tom. Tom realizes what happens with a somewhat shocking expression, and thinks about it maybe at a later time after escaping Goi, leaving the viewer to wonder what path he chose in the end, to continue being an assassin or being a good guy.

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