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Floating mountains?


What's the deal with the floating mountains? Gravity only works on living things on that planet?

Amazing visuals but the color schemes (and 6 legged animals) just didn't look like something that could exist in the real world.

I know, I know ... it's just a movie.

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Unobtanium has a unique magnetic field and properties of superconductivity, causing it to levitate in magnetic fields under the Meissner Effect.
On Pandora, the magnetic effect causes huge outcroppings of unobtanium to rip loose from the surface and float in magnetic vortices. These huge "islands", named Hallelujah Mountains by Earth's explorers, are called Thundering Rocks by the Na'vi, who hold them sacred.




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Ah! ... I must not have been paying attention when this was explained ... I just couldn't understand the logic/physics behind it.

Thanks for the answer!

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It isn't explained in the movie, only in a merchandise guidebook.

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Actually, you see a chunk of unobtainium floating above an ashtray in Selfridge's office early on, so it obviously has some pretty unusual properties in terms of defying gravity. When you have loads of it in the planet's surface, floating mountains would seem a fairly logical consequence.

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you see a chunk of unobtainium floating above an ashtray in Selfridge's office early on, so it obviously has some pretty unusual properties in terms of defying gravity.


If it isn't specified that the floating mountains are made of unobtainium (I don't recall that it is), I doubt most viewers would make the connection.

And it might be assumed that the tiny chunk's floating was an effect of the device it was stored in/above, rather than anything inherent to it.

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Also, if the floating mountains are unobtainium, why don't the humans just take what they want from them? Why go mining into the ground for it if it's floating in the air?

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I don't know. If we got an explanation for EVERYTHING going on in Avatar, the movie would be an hour more, full of fcking exposition. I hate too much exposition in my movie-going experiences.

How do they get a giant space station, which is the shape of a small moon to float through space at such high speeds? I didn't see any thrusters on that thing. I didn't hear anyone explain that.

Do we need that information or would that info just ruin the experience of watching Star Wars?

For instance, did audiences ever need to know that The Force is actually a bunch of microscopic cells that can be manipulated??

Get off your soapbox while I play you a tune on the tiniest violin.

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How do they get a giant space station, which is the shape of a small moon to float through space at such high speeds? I didn't see any thrusters on that thing. I didn't hear anyone explain that. Do we need that information or would that info just ruin the experience of watching Star Wars?


We don't need to know technical details because it isn't relevant to the film's story. The availability of unobtainium is, because Avatar's whole story depends on the humans wanting to get unobtainium. It's like the difference between 'how' and 'why'. Selfridge says it's the only reason they're on Pandora. I think it's reasonable to expect an explanation for why they wouldn't bother with the easiest source of it.

For instance, did audiences ever need to know that The Force is actually a bunch of microscopic cells that can be manipulated??


Again not relevant, though I think the problem there was more that a scientific explanation was at odds with the mysterious/religious feel of the Force up to that point.

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midi-cholorians are not at odds with the mysterious medaphyiscal side of the force. its just a biological explantion. george lucas made a great point when he stated that just because there is a biological side doesn't mean there still isn't mysterious side to it. the midi-cholorians simply allow one to use the force better.

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I think explaining anything about something mysterious was always going to cause some trouble.

I must also ask, as with the Han or Greedo shooting first matter: whether or not the change works, was it really necessary?

I mean, it's a little odd that midichlorians are never mentioned in the entire OT but no-one ever complained about not knowing exactly how the Force works.

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The floating mountains were a ripoff from a popular game called World of Warcraft. In the game, there is a large area called NAGRAND that also has floating mountains.

James Cameron plays World of Warcraft, and many of the things from this game were in the movie AVATAR.

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"In the game, there is a large area called NAGRAND that also has floating mountains."

Really? interesting ... I certainly have heard of World of Warcraft but Role Playing games have never been my thing as I much prefer strategy games.

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There's hardly anything creative or remotely unique in WoW. Floating mountains is a mainstay in fantasy. Why would you expect him to have grabbed the idea specifically from WoW. He seems too old and certainly not the type to play it to me at least :) and even more certainly had come across the concept way before wow since he was a voracious fantasy/sci-fi reader in his youth

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Absolute nonsense. There's floating mountains in Final Fantasy 6, a game that predates World of Warcraft by over a decade. Nevermind that it is considered by many to be the greatest game of all time.

Floating mountains do not begin with WoW (or FF6, for that matter).





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If you were paying attention, you would know that only Unobtainium can make things float like that on Pandora. Those floating mountains were probably rich in the metal.

Get off your soapbox while I play you a tune on the tiniest violin.

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only Unobtainium can make things float like that on Pandora.


Those floating mountains were probably rich in the metal.


Are either of these ever stated in the script?

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Not directly but inferred at several points.

Also in other published yet canon materials it is directly stated.
Unobtanium is a superconductor like no other.
The flux vortex is an extremely powerful magnetic field.

The combination of the flux vortex at the site of the floating mountains and rich isolated deposits of the unobtanium meant that as the land eroded, the deposits remained suspended as the rest of the ground was eroded away, thus the floating mountains were formed.


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How was the land eroding? I don't remember anything about that from the movie. Was Pandora shrinking?

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How was the land eroding? I don't remember anything about that from the movie. Was Pandora shrinking?


Seriously?

Just normal geological activity, nothing special. Nothing that needed specific mentioning in the film.
The same processes that erode mountains and create canyons here on earth. Rain, rivers, tectonics. etc...

The ground level was much higher there in the ancient past. Over eons of time the ground was eroded away exceot for the Unobtanium deposits, leaving them floating in midair as the rest of the ground around them eroded away.

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The ground level was much higher there in the ancient past. Over eons of time the ground was eroded away exceot for the Unobtanium deposits, leaving them floating in midair as the rest of the ground around them eroded away.


That's at odds with what sommdude posted above:

On Pandora, the magnetic effect causes huge outcroppings of unobtanium to rip loose from the surface and float in magnetic vortices.

Your explanation has the ground leaving the unobtanium, his explanation has the unobtanium leaving the ground. Which is right?

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I copied and pasted my post straight from the official wiki...


http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Avatar_Wiki





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That isnt official crap.
Its a fan maintained site where anyone can contribute.
The article you're quoting was written by some other guy just like yourself off the internet. Maybe even YOU, yourself.

The only thing "officially" about your link is that it is officially a fan site.


My information comes from ACTUAL Officially licensed material.
The official publication, Avatar: An Activist's survival guide.

My information was not quite right but close, I was going from several years old memory. The difference is rather than erosion, it was formed when Pandora was still molten and cooled with the unobtanium trapped in the magnetic fields.

But here ya go... straight from an OFFICIAL source...
Not your Officially a fan made source.... LOL

https://flic.kr/p/MPaCp6

https://flic.kr/p/NDpcfv



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whoa, take it easy there "Punchy"
No one cares
just calm down
tell your mommy it's time for your xanax.




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And now the insults start when you got busted trying to boost your bs as "official" when it wasn't.
Fark off


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You do realize that the OFFICIAL picture of the OFFICIAL book that you OFFICIALY posted proves my point and not yours...

It states that "their mutual repultion finally pushed a large chunk on unobtainium containing matter away to hang in the air"

not to mention the OFFICAL james cameron has OFFICIALY stated that “Well… the floating mountains. A physicist friend of mine calculated that for a pure superconducting mountain, to break it off and float it would require a magnetic field so strong that it would rip the hemoglobin out of your blood…”

http://www.ecorazzi.com/2010/02/09/james-cameron-reveals-how-pandoras-floating-mountains-would-kill-you/

So you can OFFICIALY go F yourself




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whoa, take it easy there "Punchy"
No one cares
just calm down
tell your mommy it's time for your xanax.




I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!

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That's what I thought
No retort




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Good thing those roots and vines held them. Floating island is a dessert I never made although it looks good on cooking shows, but Floating mountains might just tempt me since it would probably use chocolate and coffee to give it a soily, minerally appearance.

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If Donald Trump can be the Republican Party nominee for the U.S. President, then Pandora can have all of the floating mountains they want.

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Haven't you ever seen a 6 legged animal before? Which planet do you live? Because on my world, we have those in every single region of it. Even on ice.

Some people's stupidity really does amaze me.

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Apart from insects (which weight is measured in grams) name one.

Some people's stupidity really does amaze me ... indeed.

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Crustaceans. Next question?

Some people's stupidity really does amaze me.

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Have you ever seen something with 6 legs that weighs more than a few pound like in the movie?

Waiting for your answer.

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Obviously you weren't pain attention. Pandora's gravity is much lower than Earth's. According to published material, a sixth to be more precise. That's why there can be huge six legged animals there, huge gigantic trees and also floating mountains. In this case there's also the mag-lev effect involved.

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Ok, then we are now in the realm of fiction ... in the world we know, there are no animals weighing more than a few pounds that have more than 4 limbs.

I just don't see what usefulness these two extra limbs would have ... they would be a hindrance more than anything else.

In the end, it's just a movie anyway ... along with the glowing blue plants, I guess it makes it all look more alien.

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Ok, then we are now in the realm of fiction ... in the world we know, there are no animals weighing more than a few pounds that have more than 4 limbs.


Well, what do you know, yet again you are wrong. The colossal squid (Mesonychoteuthis hamiltoni) can weight up to 1600 pounds. And it has 10 limbs.

Some people's stupidity really does amaze me.

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Well ... you got me there. Well done!

I still don't see the usefulness of having 6 limbs for a large terrestrial animal.

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Thanks.

Well, the more limbs you have the better, I figure. We only have four limbs because we are limited by gravity. But consider a world with a much weaker gravitational pull and that's a whole different story.

Some people's stupidity really does amaze me.

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Obviously you weren't pain attention. Pandora's gravity is much lower than Earth's.


Why weren't any of the characters floating around?

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Not that much lower. According to external sources, 20% less that of Earth. Mars' for instance is 60% less and the Moon's is 85%.

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For some nutty reason I like the Pandora floating mountains. Why? Because they look cool.

Laugh while you can, Monkey Boy!

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Just watched it (for probably the 5th time) and thought about the floating mountains but my question was where the water for the waterfalls comes from.

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Thank you, that's exactly what I thought.

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from the floating mountains above them.

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Surprised no one has mentioned the similarity to album cover artist Roger Dean, best known for creating album covers for the group Yes.

He was doing floating islands and multi colored dragons back in the 70s...

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nothing new for sure. Video games have had them for decades too.

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So much self-impressed effort devoted to such bullshit. You all must be glad that Mom has a basement for you.

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What a toxic asshole.

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Pretty kewl eh? The Hallelujah Mountain range could have been mined by RDA instead of Hometree, but due to the constant interference from the Flux Vortex, it just wasn't worth the cost.

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