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what are they afraid of?


If a woman attends a football(soccer here in u.s.) game? The movie was great by the way, but what the hell iran? what's your problem? what's the worst that can happen? i don't understand these people. they call us infidels and a backwards society...yet, your women have to live in fear when it comes to the most basic freedoms. i know not all iranians agree with this, but how does it's government and religious extremists justify it's ridiculous laws?

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The reason they use to justify not allowing women in the stadiums is that they say the environment in stadiums is dirty and not proper for women (too much fighting, swearing...).
The weird thing is they allow foreign women into stadiums whenever foreign teams play in Iran, but they don't allow Iranian women. Ahmadinejad tried passing a law that would have made it legal, but he was rejected.

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I was surprised that this is practiced in Iran considering women there usually have more rights than in other more conservative arab nations.

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I was surprised to learn about this practice as well.
Iranians seem to have a special issue with swearing (as long as it has to do with women).

It seems that the Iranian society (as seen in the movie) consists of four types of people:
- Men who don't swear (Good)
- Men who swear (Normal)
- Women who don't swear (Good)
- Women who swear (Evil, Awful, Dirty, Spoilt, Ungrateful, Untraditional)
I see a disbalance here.

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Well, thats the way it is over there. Since you dont like it, why dont you go ahead and start another war?

I havent seen the movie yet, but it seams like its an missunderstanding here. In football stadiums in Iran there is men, a lots of them. Not some classy men, but the usual football fans. They use any oppurtunity to get some action outdoors. And in a Islamic state that would be somewhat against the rules. So by banning women from going, this wont happen there.

I think Iranian youths are mostly spoiled brats...not much to feel sorry about. Im saying that as an Iranian living abroad tho. The one's we should feel sorry for, is those youths that fought the war back in the 80s.

Ill watch and probably enjoy the movie, tho =)

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In football stadiums in Iran there is men, a lots of them. Not some classy men, but the usual football fans. They use any oppurtunity to get some action outdoors. And in a Islamic state that would be somewhat against the rules. So by banning women from going, this wont happen there.


But shouldn't that be up to the women? Shouldn't it be their choice to take that risk?

On the one hand I hate to go all James T. Kirk and start forcing my opinions on another culture, but I hate discrimination with a passion no matter where it lives and this is discrimination.

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If the men can't behave, why punish the women? The men should perhaps be banned ;)

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Hey man, it's men football, how to ban men ?

when it comes to women football, men are banned

what's the great deal ?
dont u respect other cultures ?

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"I was surprised that this is practiced in Iran considering women there usually have more rights than in other more conservative arab nations."

Iran isn't an arab nation. Not a biggie, but it's a pretty common misconception.

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Unfortunately, the same exact logic can be applied to justify segregation, apartheid, the ghettoization of the Jews in Germany, and many other human rights abuses. While it is of course ideal to respect other cultures, in this case it's being used as a cop-out excuse for a system that's separate and most definitely not equal.

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I am baffled and angered by so much hypocrisy and hubris from the arrogant Northern colonial nations especially the UglySadisticArrogant (USA) about the so-called gender equality. If this opportunist, slanted director (Panaahi) who only panders to Northern viewers (for obvious reasons) had been under any pressure or censorship, he wouldn't have been able to even start this project. I don't see millions of women demonstrating to get into the stadia anyhow; the reason is they are simply too dangerous and inappropriate places. I myself think this rule must be changed and don't always agree w/ the system's laws and behaviour. However, on my land, I decide what stands and what does not (no foreign interference desired)!

Strangely, all these nonsensical claims come from cultures drowned in jingoism, racism, xenophobia, drugs, alcohol, wife and spousal abuse, date rape, and yes the ultimate low of all lows INCEST (i.e. actively and w/ no regards for supposed "human rights" raping their own family members)!! Not to mention invading dozens of innocent countries so far and engulfing them in their hellish fire and rage of supremacy, control and greed. Well, I am glad the Islamic Republic and the glorious revolution (along w/ friendly nations such as Cuba, Venezuela) don't invade others and don't have millions of peoples' blood on their hands. The Americans and their allies in Europe living in their self-satisfied cesspools should clean up their own huge mess before lecturing other cultures. Alas, you will never recover from your eternal, terminal illness: selective conscience and selective memory.

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LOL, good one johancruyff74! That's hilarious!

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I see that our friend johancruyff74 only lasted for three posts and all those were comments on this movie. An Iranian government plant? Surely not
Great film BTW

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Will you shut it--you've said the same doddering irksome quibble at least in three different occupied boards. What, are you really wanting a grubber to bite your hook?
Okay... you've successfully snagged one. Now what?

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@johancruyff74

I assume you are just kidding, but anyway, I'm anti-jingoist, anti-war, anti-racist, anti-drug, anti-abuse, anti-rape, I don't drink alcohol and I don't smoke... and yet I think it should be up to the women to decide if they want to take the risk to go to the stadium!

Women should have the same rights as men! or it's just plain segregation, and I'm not sure that a "culture" who exerts segregation should be respected!

Sorry, but I really can't stand that women couldn't decide for themselves.

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There's a difference between respecting and agreeing. Government established segregation is always a poor path.


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How about Robot football, only watched by Robots?

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There are imbalances everywhere. E.g. in most Western countries:

- Men who go shirtless (Normal)
- Women who go shirtless (Indecent)

OK, so the scale is different. But, it's not like there are no imbalances here.

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